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November 01, 2023, 05:20:24 PM
So it depends on people, if they are bad people they will use any means to carry out their bad operations, and nothing can stop them until they run out of luck, today, it's not that common to see a casino running a criminal ring in a country, and things have changed a lot, now casinos are fully regulated with tight rules and regulations.
However, there are still underground casinos that can freely run their casinos without any pressure from any party. And that still makes the casino a place for various things related to illegal activities, especially since the media cannot easily expose illegal places. They can really hide themselves well and run their business without the government knowing about it. Perhaps only a few governments know about it, and those governments have corrupt officers protecting such business establishments. Perhaps in the current era, perpetrators of illegal activities have used other methods besides casinos to carry out their illegal activities. After all, we don't really know for sure what is going on.
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November 01, 2023, 12:58:15 PM

 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering"


To be honest, I don't have a global correct answer. However, what is clear is that gambling is not legalized in some countries, especially those that adhere to the beliefs held in that country. for example, the middle east "for now" perhaps after their countries started to open up to the wider world, gambling started to become part of the legal. I think if we refer to Wikipedia, in this case it is traced to the origins and history of gambling itself. Currently, in several countries, especially Asia, gambling is still prohibited and even forbidden. It is not only a matter of indications of money laundering, but also covers everything, especially prohibitions based on religion.

Regarding the information you shared, to be honest, I only read it briefly. because without needing to read it or explain it clearly, we already know it. I think Wikipedia should be revised in important parts. because, it seems like the explanation listed in the link is no longer relevant for all countries. This means that, in this world, gambling has now become legal, especially in developed countries. Even though in fact not all countries in the world legalize gambling, this is due to constitutional law and applies in that country according to the applicable laws and jurisdiction.
Its interesting to see how different countries' gambling laws are. They really show what their people believe in. Some countries have bans on it because of their culture, religion, or the law. This is especially true in parts of Asia and the Middle East. Thanks for pointing out a problem with Wikipedia's explanation. Its like taking off each layer of an onion only to find a strange center inside. Can the most important parts of gambling laws, which change all the time, fit on one page?

Like I said, your quick look at the facts makes me think theres more to it than meets the eye. The rules of the law are always changing because different countries are either loosening their grip or tightening it. I's almost like Socrates was telling us to question what we think we know when you ask for a rewrite. In the end, do we really understand how big these political mazes are?
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November 01, 2023, 09:48:30 AM
Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.

I think this topic is more complex than it looks at first glance, because gambling itself can take place in many different forms. Online, offline in a casino or privately hosted events, which are very often deemed illegal. But I would say that there are probably more sophisticated ways to launder money than doing it with gambling as it doesn't fully solve the question of origin. If out of a sudden there is a million in the bank account, saying that the money comes from a lucky night in a casino may not be enough. There is most likely some plausibility check depending on the amounts of money that someone is turning over in a casino.

The point thereto is that gambling is part of the focal points where suspicion is raised about money laundering if there is a huge unusual inflow of money in a gambling account especially where such account is not known with such huge winning in the past.

It is just like such suspicion is raised with btc for being used to conceal money that was meant for other purpose. It is unfortunate this seem to be raising those kinds of issues because money laundering is a crime and whatever means possible, it is checked.

Definitely, and it is also a huge point of contention in general when it taxation comes into play. Many different rulings in different states and I am sure it will never be acknowledged as this perfectly legal income source. When someone says that the Ferarri in the garage or the villa is paid with money from gambling, what is the chance that special requests by the IRS will be sent out and a deep investigation take place? It is most likely going to happen that way. I guess the only ones getting away with "I am rich because of gambling" are those who win these official tournaments at poker and so on, events that are publicly streamed. But other than that money from gambling usually entails the need for explanation.
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 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering"


To be honest, I don't have a global correct answer. However, what is clear is that gambling is not legalized in some countries, especially those that adhere to the beliefs held in that country. for example, the middle east "for now" perhaps after their countries started to open up to the wider world, gambling started to become part of the legal. I think if we refer to Wikipedia, in this case it is traced to the origins and history of gambling itself. Currently, in several countries, especially Asia, gambling is still prohibited and even forbidden. It is not only a matter of indications of money laundering, but also covers everything, especially prohibitions based on religion.

Regarding the information you shared, to be honest, I only read it briefly. because without needing to read it or explain it clearly, we already know it. I think Wikipedia should be revised in important parts. because, it seems like the explanation listed in the link is no longer relevant for all countries. This means that, in this world, gambling has now become legal, especially in developed countries. Even though in fact not all countries in the world legalize gambling, this is due to constitutional law and applies in that country according to the applicable laws and jurisdiction.
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Most casino runners must have down it in the past, I remember a part of China history they are always into gambling years ago, and some of them use their underground gambling dens as passage way to embessle some money and some illegal activities like selling underage girls into prostitution, this was very common at the time, so if you come across any news or blogs saying that gambling is not far from illicit activities they are not lying, it's not about the gamblers but the casino runners.

To say the truth, casinos aren't the only thing people use as passage way to carry out their illicit activities, there was a man in my country who have a big company for making bar soaps and he shipped them out of the country but this company is also into drugs smuggling, his company lasted for a while and I even used part of his product until luck run out of him one day and he was busted.

So it depends on people, if they are bad people they will use any means to carry out their bad operations, and nothing can stop them until they run out of luck, today, it's not that common to see a casino running a criminal ring in a country, and things have changed a lot, now casinos are fully regulated with tight rules and regulations.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.

Advert mean celebrated? I guess no. Fine let assume it's being celebrated, does that mean it's legal? Absolutely no. Wider participation or celebration does not validate the legitimacy of something. Take a look at this forum for example, you'll observe that majority of us here believe and adopt bitcoin but does that legalize it outside here? Absolutely no. Sports event advertise gambling because they believe that majority of the viewers are gamblers and they're taking the advantage to draw traffic but that doesn't legalized gambling across the world.

Religiously, gambling is illegal but we are not here to talk about the religious view. However, judging from the harm it has caused to people who are reckless and addicted, and seeing how it has destroyed their lives, one may consider it to be illicit. So I think the answer to that question depends on the angle you're viewing it from.
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Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.

I think this topic is more complex than it looks at first glance, because gambling itself can take place in many different forms. Online, offline in a casino or privately hosted events, which are very often deemed illegal. But I would say that there are probably more sophisticated ways to launder money than doing it with gambling as it doesn't fully solve the question of origin. If out of a sudden there is a million in the bank account, saying that the money comes from a lucky night in a casino may not be enough. There is most likely some plausibility check depending on the amounts of money that someone is turning over in a casino.

The point thereto is that gambling is part of the focal points where suspicion is raised about money laundering if there is a huge unusual inflow of money in a gambling account especially where such account is not known with such huge winning in the past.

It is just like such suspicion is raised with btc for being used to conceal money that was meant for other purpose. It is unfortunate this seem to be raising those kinds of issues because money laundering is a crime and whatever means possible, it is checked.
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Gambling is banned in some countries and concealing money won through it can be considered as money laundering. But in countries where gambling is not banned, it can not be considered as illegal activity.

It is believed that some laundered money are sent to gambling site inorder to conceal it from its origin, but this is not what this thread is about.

I think this topic is more complex than it looks at first glance, because gambling itself can take place in many different forms. Online, offline in a casino or privately hosted events, which are very often deemed illegal. But I would say that there are probably more sophisticated ways to launder money than doing it with gambling as it doesn't fully solve the question of origin. If out of a sudden there is a million in the bank account, saying that the money comes from a lucky night in a casino may not be enough. There is most likely some plausibility check depending on the amounts of money that someone is turning over in a casino.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.



The gambling is not the illegal one in the most of the countries,So if your country had come into the illegal activities.So you can’t affect the mindset of the gamblers.The gambling was celebrated in the most of the where the gambling was legal one.So the gambling sites avail e also huge in the country,because few people using the gambling sites for the money laundering activities.Many gambling site had made the compulsory of the kyc because to do the elimination of the money laundering using their sites.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.

Even if it is celebrated in many countries, there are still country that prohibits gambling and even banned them.  This is due to the government being greatly affected by its religion's idealism and law.  With this many people especially on the religious group find gambling as an illicit activity because the group of people believes that people who gambles has no faith in God and instead it enthrones personal desires[1].

So for these group of religion it is an illicit activity because gambling is one of the root why people sin and commit crimes.  But personally, I am neutral about gambling because I think whatever the result, it is the person's decision and is not forced by gambling games to do so.



[1] https://www.christian.org.uk/who-we-are/what-we-believe/gambling-is-wrong/

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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's
proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.
Dude, gambling is not legal everywhere in the world. There are many countries where gambling is a legally punishable crime. If we follow international newspapers, we can see that many people have been arrested for gambling in many countries. But it is not correct that gambling can be called totally illegal just because there are these. Gambling should be considered as a means of entertainment. Although it has a bit of a bad reputation due to money launderers, I think gambling cannot be called an illegal activity except for these simple things.
I can tell you of a country where gambling is totally free and legal for that matter and that would be my own country. Nigeria is actually gambling friendly because the government here actually task most of the casino and website operating in the country making it legal so far as the agree or stipulated and requirements are meant, no one will actually arrest you for any gambling activity sometimes it's even strange for person like me seeing all this news about people being arrested for gambling elsewhere since it's not same thing or occurrence in my locality.
There are really places in the world on which it would really be that having that kind of impression towards gambling which it is really that attached or can be considered to be an illicit activity or simply they are really that being that in connection into those things which we know that it is really that a bit exaggerated i would say but since they do really have that kind of impressions towards things then there's nothing we can do but to deal up with those kind of inputs or insights on which we know that each of us does have that kind of impression towards gambling.Some would be seeing this to be a fun thing and there are ones who doesnt really like on getting involved with it just because it is really that been attached with those non good things that they've been hearing or believing on.

Since they do have their own minds on whats good and whats bad then just let them be. In overall, it isnt really just that right that we should really be making some generalization on things
specially it wasnt really that always all the time that pertains about money laundering things,tax evasion or something or whatsoever that reasons that could be possibly applied.
There are really just those people who do really love exaggerating kind of approach even if it isnt really that right already.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's
proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.
Dude, gambling is not legal everywhere in the world. There are many countries where gambling is a legally punishable crime. If we follow international newspapers, we can see that many people have been arrested for gambling in many countries. But it is not correct that gambling can be called totally illegal just because there are these. Gambling should be considered as a means of entertainment. Although it has a bit of a bad reputation due to money launderers, I think gambling cannot be called an illegal activity except for these simple things.
I can tell you of a country where gambling is totally free and legal for that matter and that would be my own country. Nigeria is actually gambling friendly because the government here actually task most of the casino and website operating in the country making it legal so far as the agree or stipulated and requirements are meant, no one will actually arrest you for any gambling activity sometimes it's even strange for person like me seeing all this news about people being arrested for gambling elsewhere since it's not same thing or occurrence in my locality.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.


It depends on the country. There are country who are far more strict than other countries. Money laundering is one of the crimes that can commonly be associated with gambling because of how fast money rotates on a casino and there are a rich history of money laundering of money laundering on casinos. Though I don't think that gambling is an illicit activities. It is depending on what do you think that gambling service is for. Not every gambler had a balls to do it or reason to do it, those who wash their money on the casino are just a very small percentage of those who truly gamble.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.

We cannot deny that in some places gambling is a prohibited activity because it is against existing laws. However, because gambling is enjoyed and done by many people, this makes gambling a very commonplace thing that we often encounter. However, even so, we cannot justify all forms of gambling and in fact what is happening at the moment is that gambling has become an epidemic and an infectious disease among society because many people are addicted to gambling so that in the end it causes complex problems which are the negative impact of gambling. .
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's


Gambling is celebrated yes but not everywhere. The sports is actually what is celebrated everywhere in the world because of the entertainment in its essense which gives joy but gamblers make it an avenue for making money. Some Muslim countries don't see it as legal because the Quran regard it as a sin because it sees it as chance game to take advantage for money. Anyway, general, religious faithfuls avoid gambling so that is the point.
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 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering"

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of gambling here, why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

Please check this out and share your thoughts.
You need to understand that the modern casinos as we know them were created by the Italian Mafia at the US, and while the goal was without a doubt to obtain massive benefits with this new model, at the same time they used casinos to launder money, they did this by simply inflating the numbers, so if they earned 2 million dollars on profits with their casinos they claimed to earn 10 millions, so this allowed 8 millions they have earned illegitimately by selling drugs, weapons or anything illegal to become legal money through the casinos.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's
proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.
Dude, gambling is not legal everywhere in the world. There are many countries where gambling is a legally punishable crime. If we follow international newspapers, we can see that many people have been arrested for gambling in many countries. But it is not correct that gambling can be called totally illegal just because there are these. Gambling should be considered as a means of entertainment. Although it has a bit of a bad reputation due to money launderers, I think gambling cannot be called an illegal activity except for these simple things.
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How can Gambling be illegal when it is celebrated all over the world. In sports like football alot of the adverts are gambling based. We know that money laundering is one of the reasons for it's

proscription but it is just a few people so launder money through it the rest are just average males and females who gamble for several legal and moral reasons.

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October 29, 2023, 02:11:50 PM
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In addition to the fact that gambling itself is prohibited in many countries, an additional problem is that it is used for money laundering. It is very convenient to explain your “suddenly large” income by saying that you won in a casino or somewhere else. In some countries, they fight this with inadequately high taxes on winnings (while honest gamblers suffer). But in general, in many countries, gambling is an absolutely legal activity, even though there are many scammers and shady schemes (tax evasion and money laundering).

I don't know about you, but using taxes as  measure to counter money laundering sounds very unfair to me. Because, it makes it sound as the government do not even care punishing honest gamblers because the action of criminals who try to fool the system.
Also, those who use gambling to launder money and other assets are likely not to care to give a government a cut of their "winning" in exchange of getting their money legitimized, due to the high amount of bloody money they likely get from the crime they commit constantly.
On the other hand, imagine winning big in a casino and having the leave a bunch of what you won because some criminals have decided to use your favorite hobby to further fuel their crime syndicate. Very unfair.

If governments were more efficient on getting those shady people, then it would be less of an excuse to continue to keep taxes high, specially in the United States of America. 
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In addition to the fact that gambling itself is prohibited in many countries, an additional problem is that it is used for money laundering. It is very convenient to explain your “suddenly large” income by saying that you won in a casino or somewhere else. In some countries, they fight this with inadequately high taxes on winnings (while honest gamblers suffer). But in general, in many countries, gambling is an absolutely legal activity, even though there are many scammers and shady schemes (tax evasion and money laundering).
That is a big issue that governments adopt as measure high taxes on winnings, as it doesn't fight the problem of money laundering and tax evasion back, rather it just makes the whole system unfair for the average gambler who is lucky once in a lifetime to hit a jackpot, and still has to share 30% of his prize or even more with the government. Meanwhile, his losses are only his, and the government doesn't share anything on the other hand, so why do they have to grab the gambler's prize when he wins? For that reason, I understand why some people evade taxes and I don't think they are wrong, because the system, itself, is wrong.
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