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October 29, 2023, 01:26:36 PM
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 Hi guys, coming through with a rather odd question this morning.

So, i was looking up on Wikipedia the meaning of Money Laundering , and below is a quote of how the site defined the term "Money Laundering"

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Money laundering is the process of illegally concealing the origin of money, obtained from illicit activities such as drug trafficking, corruption, embezzlement or gambling, by converting it into a legitimate source. It is a crime in many jurisdictions with varying definitions. It is usually a key operation of organized crime.

So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Wikipedia did not mention gambling being an illicit activity in their definition of gambling here, why then did they mention gambling as one of illicit activity through which money laundering can be carried out?

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in some cases of money laundering, some corruptors deliberately make deposits or collaborate with casino business owners to receive their money, and if they get into trouble, the corruptor will answer that he lost his gamble.  this kind of practice has been going on for a long time and many corruption suspects have done it, gambling is not a prohibited activity, there are many countries that legalize gambling and even some lotteries are handled by the government of a country, if someone says gambling is a prohibited activity then they are gambling haters.
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October 29, 2023, 12:20:43 PM
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Well we know that some people do shit with gambling and that is why sometimes people who gamble are looked down upon as irresponsible and can do any other illicit activities. Apart from this, some countries ban gambling and so to those countries proceed from it is regarded as illegal. Moreover, just like the definition, you can conceal some illegal money in gambling account after which it can be withdrawn probably in the guise of a winning. Gambling itself is not illicit in jurisdiction where it is not banned but it will be regarded as thus and it proceed as such if it is banned.
The behavior of many gamblers especially gambling addicts are the reason why many consider gambling as an illicit activity even when it is not when engaged in responsibly. Many fraudsters uses gambling platforms to store money they'll acquired illegally and many stuffs that aren't accepting to the general public. In some regions and countries of the world, gambling is absolutely banned and whoever that gambles in those jurisdictions are doing it illegally.
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October 29, 2023, 11:51:09 AM
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Well we know that some people do shit with gambling and that is why sometimes people who gamble are looked down upon as irresponsible and can do any other illicit activities. Apart from this, some countries ban gambling and so to those countries proceed from it is regarded as illegal. Moreover, just like the definition, you can conceal some illegal money in gambling account after which it can be withdrawn probably in the guise of a winning. Gambling itself is not illicit in jurisdiction where it is not banned but it will be regarded as thus and it proceed as such if it is banned.
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October 29, 2023, 11:37:11 AM
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In addition to the fact that gambling itself is prohibited in many countries, an additional problem is that it is used for money laundering. It is very convenient to explain your “suddenly large” income by saying that you won in a casino or somewhere else. In some countries, they fight this with inadequately high taxes on winnings (while honest gamblers suffer). But in general, in many countries, gambling is an absolutely legal activity, even though there are many scammers and shady schemes (tax evasion and money laundering).
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October 29, 2023, 11:34:14 AM
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When we are in a casino and the prohibitions are obvious, due to religion or something like that, it is something that I don't know, it can be counterproductive because there are many things that should be prohibited, such as the killing of people, bombs, and everything that has to do with it. With war, as long as peace is promoted it is a very good thing, but when the word prohibition or something like that exists, sometimes people interpret it as a lack of freedom, and apparently I also see it that way, things in the world must function for those who want to use it, a casino is simply a means of adult entertainment, which requires that the person be 18 years old or be considered of legal age to be able to enter and play, I don't see anything wrong I contrair everything there, I believe that we all have the right to have fun as we want without asking Andie's permission, but yes, without hurting anyone, as long as things happen that way, I think they are welcome and should see it that way.



This is how you interpret prohibition base on your principles but that doesn’t it will apply to others especially to people with religion. We should respect someone faith since that’s what they believe besides they are not restricting you but rather people that belongs to their religion.

It’s surely restrictive in the eyes of normal people doesn’t have religion but this is holy for those who is belong on their religion so we shouldn’t make a comment like this just to prove our point about freedom because it’s their faith and we should respect them. They might saving some of there member from potential problem by restricting them to play since gambling often cause addiction.
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October 29, 2023, 11:29:03 AM
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Usually it's about religion why gambling is usually banned on these countries, example muslims. Casinos are not common on muslim countries, but there are some exceptions for some reasons. Second its morality, since gambling causes addiction, mental illness that is not easy to cure i dont know even if its curable debt, corruption.
Casinos and gambling are also legalized in predominantly Muslim countries, but gambling has been outlawed by parliament in most Muslim countries. There is no problem here the problem is day by day the young generation is becoming addicted to casino and gambling and there is massive moral degradation. Apart from the human degeneration of the youth, heinous crimes like theft, robbery, murder and rape are being organized.

Well actually when it comes to Muslims and their customs, well they are quite radical with what they think, with what they do and how they are going to execute it, I really see that they are very very strict with the issues they have. see their religion, in fact the war is partly because of that, if there is no understanding, wars can occur, and it is something that for us is not so decisive, but for them it is, it is everything from where all the religions that for them is only one and it is quite difficult to start talking or saying things contrary to what they think, because they can easily become enemies, whenever there is this type of discussion it is quite delicate, in terms of people they are things that I avoid Always, as well as the question of gender, we all have a very different position and no one can be forced to think like others, that is what everyone knows, however when we go to the level of gambling in casinos, it is something else. .

When we are in a casino and the prohibitions are obvious, due to religion or something like that, it is something that I don't know, it can be counterproductive because there are many things that should be prohibited, such as the killing of people, bombs, and everything that has to do with it. With war, as long as peace is promoted it is a very good thing, but when the word prohibition or something like that exists, sometimes people interpret it as a lack of freedom, and apparently I also see it that way, things in the world must function for those who want to use it, a casino is simply a means of adult entertainment, which requires that the person be 18 years old or be considered of legal age to be able to enter and play, I don't see anything wrong I contrair everything there, I believe that we all have the right to have fun as we want without asking Andie's permission, but yes, without hurting anyone, as long as things happen that way, I think they are welcome and should see it that way.
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October 26, 2023, 01:56:50 PM
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If I share my personal opinion then I will say that it is also not true that money laundering is not done through gambling. In most cases, money launderers try to whiten their black money in online casinos or gambling websites. Although the government of different countries have issued various laws to prevent them, especially kyc verification, moreover, various rules and regulations have already been passed to monitor suspicious transactions by which casinos are not licensed unless certified. Still, sometimes it is seen that many money launderers are doing money laundering through gambling by evading all the rules and regulations, maybe because of this the name of gambling has come up in the book of money laundering in wiki.
Moreover, another thing we have to accept is that the culture of every part of the world is not the same, gambling is considered illegal in different cultures. From that point of view, gambling is an illicit activity in many countries. I think we should also respect that.
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October 26, 2023, 01:41:05 PM
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So, after i saw that Gambling was mentioned or listed among the listed illicit activities through which money can or could be laundered, I can't help but wonder if gambling is actually an illicit activity.

Please check this out and share your thoughts.

The article is pertaining to illegal gambling and not licensed casino. There’s a lot of illegal gambling that being use to launder money on different country and most of the owner are Chinese businessmen that usually involves on drugs and human trafficking. Gambling in general is not an illicit activity.

It depends on what type of gambling involves to determine whether it’s illicit or not. Luckily, Most of the crypto casino has licensed to operate which means that we are safe.
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October 26, 2023, 01:35:18 PM
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I don't think that it is fair to categorize gambling with drug trafficking and embezzlement, because gambling is a game where you try your luck to win or lose. Whereas drug trafficking and embezzlement are crimes anywhere in the world, so there are no comparison between them and gambling. Even if gambling is illegal in a country, it could be on the ground of morals, not it being an illicit activity. If you call someone a gambler, it could mean that the person is a risk taker, but if you call someone a drug trafficker or an embezzler that means that you're calling the person a criminal. So there meanings are totally different.

Although drug traffickers and people who embezzle money can claim that the source of their enormous wealth is from gambling, because gambling is a place where people can get lucky and became millionaires overnight. It is easy to claim that massive wealth is gotten from gambling and people can easily believe it, unless the individual is investigated.
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October 26, 2023, 01:33:53 PM
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Gambling is not an illicit activities, but we are the ones that make illicit activities comes out in gambling with our hands, we are expected to gamble as a means of an entertainment, people are expected to enjoy gambling during their leisure free time, those that made gambling a business also were expected to make profits in providing us with adequate gambling activities, but when there are other motives hiden under the normal ways of how gambling should run, we are the ones that are found responsible for that.

Well let's face the facts, gambling casinos are made with the intention of making money from them and they are not made for charity purposes or not even, they are made for to provide fun to the gamblers.
Similarly, the gambler's motive is to earn money and there are very few who are playing only for fun.

However, i do agree that gambling by itself is not an illicit activity. It is only the player's way of gambling and the motive behind their gamble, that makes us believe that it is an illicit activity.
As the casino intention is to make money from the gambler through the wagering processes and also the losses,  this is why the casino has what we call house edge,  this house edge makes it possible for the casino to earn a lot of revenue through the losses of the gambler,  and also gamblers on the other hand have to choice and aim to hit a jackpot from the casino.

Most sports bettors from my region,  always carry the mentality of winning millions of dollars with their 50cent staking, which has made it almost impossible for them to ever win but with the little luck experienced by some who have been so lucky to have won an amount that can change the financial life,  this has made is a two ways,  the gamblers vs the casinos either the lose or win.
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October 26, 2023, 01:24:48 PM
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Gambling is not an illicit activities, but we are the ones that make illicit activities comes out in gambling with our hands, we are expected to gamble as a means of an entertainment, people are expected to enjoy gambling during their leisure free time, those that made gambling a business also were expected to make profits in providing us with adequate gambling activities, but when there are other motives hiden under the normal ways of how gambling should run, we are the ones that are found responsible for that.

Well let's face the facts, gambling casinos are made with the intention of making money from them and they are not made for charity purposes or not even, they are made for to provide fun to the gamblers.
Similarly, the gambler's motive is to earn money and there are very few who are playing only for fun.

However, i do agree that gambling by itself is not an illicit activity. It is only the player's way of gambling and the motive behind their gamble, that makes us believe that it is an illicit activity.
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October 26, 2023, 01:14:28 PM
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Gambling is not an illicit activities, but we are the ones that make illicit activities comes out in gambling with our hands, we are expected to gamble as a means of an entertainment, people are expected to enjoy gambling during their leisure free time, those that made gambling a business also were expected to make profits in providing us with adequate gambling activities, but when there are other motives hiden under the normal ways of how gambling should run, we are the ones that are found responsible for that.
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October 26, 2023, 01:02:11 PM
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Same in our country, Gambling is not considered as an illegal activity however there are some casino companies that are illegal, they are the ones who don't pay the proper taxes and illegal activities such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution are involved not just the gambling itself... Gambling could be seen as morally acceptable if it helps us to develop positive character traits such as self control and discipline. Those People who see gambling as an illicit activity are the one who always look on it's disadvantages. Even the bible doesn't called gambling as a sin
Well technically gambling is an illicist activity especially to countries wherein it is not legal. But given the fact that there are places wherein it is allowe, separates it from drug traffickingand other alike activities. The bible indeed does not mentioned about it but as we all know it would fall under quick way scheme to earn, which is where people associate it with. However, that would be a different thing to discuss given that drug trafficking and other activities which are not morally accepted, are also not. This matter has something to do with separation of church and state wherein gambling is often regarded as illicit simply because it doesn’t comply with government rules. But there are still those which does such as lottery and other casino establishments which quite making it an exception to some places than the reall illegal ones.
Gambling is not technically an illicit activity but rather it depends from your country's perspective whether they allow them or not. If they don't, then it is an illicit activity but if they do, then it isn't. Also, gambling isn't specifically noted or mentioned on Bible but rather described it's definition as someone who risks what they have in exchange of something much better or more worth. It can be seen as a bad moral decision to do so which is why gambling is somehow associated with evil deeds due to how people are exposed of their greed.

But yeah, it varies depending who edit that Wikipedia description on how they interpret gambling is as it can also be used in a bad way even if you're on a country who allow gambling activities.
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October 26, 2023, 12:54:20 PM
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In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.

Indeed, each country has its own rules in terms of gambling, some legalize it and some do not consider gambling as an illegal activity and they will apply the appropriate law to their people who are involved in gambling in their country.

In my opinion, the point is that the state will legalize gambling if there is income to the state itself, for example in terms of tax collection from several casinos that run and are there. That will happen if there are several casinos trying to enter a country, and yes as you said there are also several casinos created by the government if gambling is legalized there, but maybe only a few people know about this information. Honestly, I don't understand the government's reason for legalizing gambling in their country, if we look at it in terms of state revenue then yes it will increase because the tax from gambling is quite large but if we look again about the impact that will be received by the community then I am sure the downturn will dominate, and nothing but it will only make a lot of problems occur in the community and what is very likely is that the crime rate will increase because as we know someone who is addicted to gambling will justify all means just to gamble. So maybe this is one of the reasons why there are several countries that do not legalize gambling in their countries.
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October 26, 2023, 12:48:56 PM
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The person who edited may see gambling in that way or he meant something but conveyed it differently due to not proper explanation.

There are two major types of casinos one is regulated and the other is unregulated so in case if someone is gambling and winning rewards then the tax may be deducted from the rewards which is common in fiat-based casinos or if its crypto casino then the reports will be submitted to IRS so user who won money from regulated casino pay taxes for their winnings.

But if the person won money from playing an unregulated casino then the user can hide that income but if he needs to use it for spending then he needs to launder in one or many ways to make it legal.

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October 26, 2023, 12:46:48 PM
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No, gambling isn't an illegal activity, because in order to gamble, you don't necessarily have to launder money. Money laundering is an illicit practice, gambling isn't. Some people just use gambling as a mean to evade taxes, but that is trackable and people involved on it are punished by authorities accordingly to their jurisdiction by the laundering money crime. Gambling is just a detail and a tool used to commit the crime. If gambling had to be criminalized for that reason, the whole financial system should be criminalized as well, because it's also being used as a tool by criminals to execute their schemes.
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October 26, 2023, 12:43:19 PM
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In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.
Same in our country, Gambling is not considered as an illegal activity however there are some casino companies that are illegal, they are the ones who don't pay the proper taxes and illegal activities such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution are involved not just the gambling itself... Gambling could be seen as morally acceptable if it helps us to develop positive character traits such as self control and discipline. Those People who see gambling as an illicit activity are the one who always look on it's disadvantages. Even the bible doesn't called gambling as a sin
Well technically gambling is an illicist activity especially to countries wherein it is not legal. But given the fact that there are places wherein it is allowe, separates it from drug traffickingand other alike activities. The bible indeed does not mentioned about it but as we all know it would fall under quick way scheme to earn, which is where people associate it with. However, that would be a different thing to discuss given that drug trafficking and other activities which are not morally accepted, are also not. This matter has something to do with separation of church and state wherein gambling is often regarded as illicit simply because it doesn’t comply with government rules. But there are still those which does such as lottery and other casino establishments which quite making it an exception to some places than the reall illegal ones.
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October 26, 2023, 12:16:32 PM
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Some countries still call gambling a prohibited activity, especially in countries with the majority of seasons. This is not strange because there will be pros and cons from each of their points of view, it would be easy to say that gambling often involves money laundering. Maybe you have seen the terms and conditions at the casino there is always writing on the prohibition of money laundering etc.

This is not entirely true. There are still other activities that some people use to launder money without having to gamble, maybe they often see how bad things are in gambling which is considered to be a lot of the action there.

If legitimate casinos are unlikely to allow this illicit money laundering, it is clear that any fraudulent activity is prohibited.
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October 26, 2023, 12:06:24 PM
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what I can say about people living in those countries that gambling is prohibited by the law as illegal they should as well avoid gambling while they're still there, they can always gamble when they get to another state or country where gambling is allowed to exist. I understand it won't be that easy to avoid particularly for an activity you feel entertained with but as to stay away from trouble.
But even so, there are still those in countries where gambling is prohibited who force themselves to gamble and use many methods to keep gambling. These people seem to have experienced the pleasures of gambling so when they see gambling was banned in their country, they lost something. They will try to gamble again so they can feel the pleasure.

But it's better if they don't try to gamble if the state prohibits it. It will keep them out of trouble, especially when there are checks from the government. So whether gambling is an illicit activity or not depends on the country.
hmm there are stubborn people who will always want to outsmart the laws that not in their favour of which I am no support of rule breaking but if they deem fit that it's worth to risk it by gambling still despite the laws in place and are able to conceal it through any method, no problem. Nevertheless, the law has its way of catching up with those persons that thinks they are too smart.

Recently, online gambling has now turned to a route through which drug barons, traffickers, corrupt politicians etc conceal and launder money to hide from being caught it is for this argumentation that governments of some countries place a ban on gambling within their jurisdiction. However, for the revenue the gambling generates to government some countries decides to regulate and monitor it's activities and operation while they pay tax to government.
In the end, the state needs taxes from the gambling industry even though they know there are illegal activities carried out in the gambling industry. And money launderers can continue to use gambling as a place to launder money. And even though they have to pay the taxes, that's nothing for the money launderers. After all, they have a lot of money.
There are states that heavily depends  on gambling taxes to meet up with its annual budgets so even with the laundering racketeering happening within the gambling industry which   they are in tone with they (government) are left with no choice but to let the gambling companies exist and operate because a ban on gambling activities would mean a stop to their taxes they get.
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October 26, 2023, 05:08:40 AM
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In my country gambling is not an illegal activity, I can tell that the gambling industries are doing well and most of the gambling industries are been owned by the government but it is not openly known to some persons.
The only thing that the government is against is an illegal gambling activity or if found in a very bad place and gamble then the otherwise.
Same in our country, Gambling is not considered as an illegal activity however there are some casino companies that are illegal, they are the ones who don't pay the proper taxes and illegal activities such as human trafficking, selling drugs and prostitution are involved not just the gambling itself... Gambling could be seen as morally acceptable if it helps us to develop positive character traits such as self control and discipline. Those People who see gambling as an illicit activity are the one who always look on it's disadvantages. Even the bible doesn't called gambling as a sin
The bible like you said did not explicitly call gambling a sin, and it also did not say gambling is not a sin, personally, i feel that gambling can turn out to be sinful or not sinful, it all depends on how the supposed gambler conduct his or her gambling activities, and the Behavorial pattern or path the gambler choose to follow or tour.

Gambling also is not illegal in my country, i mean, even in some religion that consider gambling to be a sin, like the Muslims, i personally still come across several believers of this religion who gamble, and  coming across that Wikipedia page listing gambling as one of the illicit ways through which money can be laundered got me really confused, as to whether what i and billions of other people have been doing for several years is actually illicit, inappropriate, and, the government does nothing about it? so it all means that that Wikipedia page is actually misleading, gambling should have never be listed among those illicit stuffs they mentioned there.
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