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Topic: Is institutional capital good or bad for Bitcoin? - page 3. (Read 1292 times)

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Institutional money is great if it's going long. If this institutional money decides to short bitcoin we're gonna have a problem Cheesy

Usually it's good because if a company invests it also makes a lot of noise in the media. They want others to hear about it and treat it like a bullish sign. There's at least 90% probability that when institutions enter they will pump prices.
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i think that it is good, BTC needs more capital inflow to keep it on these levels and go higher, or to be sustainable
without fresh capital, BTC could be on these levels, but when some whale wants to go out, it will downslide, every time
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Although it has its own consequence,  i still believe that institutional investors investment will have a great effect on the adoption of cryptocurrency and Blockchain technology. This will cause other individual investors to see how reliable crypto is
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It they will pump it - good, else - bad. thats simple
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Theory that large buy and sell actions cant destroy btc is BS. Only mining power over 50% can destroy BTC.

Large investment funds definitely are a good thing. More liquidity can do only good to financial markets.
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I understand that any capital for Bitcoin has a very important role, because its price equals its capitalization.  But if we talk about the owners of Bitcoin, then most likely it will be a bit more difficult for a company to have Bitcoin, because there is more than one manager there, unlike a big whale.

   That`s why people think of Bitcoin as a store of value. Any capital is good for Bitcoin without a doubt, and I`m thinking that companies that buy Bitcoin they will not do that just
for short-term gains.
    When companies start to invest in Bitcoin it meas we are close to the full adoption. Huge money will flow into crypt-currencies, cause there will be not enough Bitcoins for everyone
and every company. They will have to buy some other crypto-currency!
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I think institutuonal investors are just like ordinary investors: taking profits after their investment gains. The only difference is that they have big funds that enough to push the bitcoin up to a new level. The price will naturally go down if these big investors start their profit-taking months or year of holding the bitcoin. The dump created by these investors should give us another opportunity to buy bitcoin at a lower price.
They are different, investors means they are gonna be here in crypto starting to run their business.
Big companies can integrate crypto in their payment system and that means institutional money to be in crypto and they are different from investors who sell when they are in profitable because they are here to help increasing the adoption with their influence.
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Recently, information has come to my eyes, where analysts believe that 2019 will be the year when institutional capital changes the course of events on the cryptocurrency market.  There are a lot of examples, but first of all I want to mention the fact that even reluctantly, but still the authorities of many countries see the inevitability of legalizing cryptocurrency and therefore the negative on their part is weakening.  But I also want to draw attention to the fact that the popularity of cryptocurrency futures, derivatives and forwards is growing.  So we only need to wait for the "high point".
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I understand that any capital for Bitcoin has a very important role, because its price equals its capitalization.
any capital ? what if thier capital comes from stealing , hacking , and any other illegal crimes and then they put the money on bitcoin ,  do you think its important or good ?  no thats bad but other bitcoin hodlers think that its still beneficial because the value of bitcoin will be up and old hodlers will get benefit the most  .

But if we talk about the owners of Bitcoin, then most likely it will be a bit more difficult for a company to have Bitcoin, because there is more than one manager there, unlike a big whale.
what about a big whale ? i think they are the same as a company or institution and they are also a group that compose of many members  but anyone can buy thier own bitcoin if they wanted to   .
I have always perceived large whales as an individual who privately owns cryptocurrency.  Although if you take into account the effect on the cryptocurrency market of cryptocurrency funds and user groups, they can be easily defined as big whales.  Apparently here I fully agree with you.  As for any type of capital to increase the capitalization of the cryptocurrency market, recently the words about the importance of the requirement to provide KYC have been heard very often.  In this way, you can get rid of funds obtained by criminal means.
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I understand that any capital for Bitcoin has a very important role, because its price equals its capitalization.
any capital ? what if thier capital comes from stealing , hacking , and any other illegal crimes and then they put the money on bitcoin ,  do you think its important or good ?  no thats bad but other bitcoin hodlers think that its still beneficial because the value of bitcoin will be up and old hodlers will get benefit the most  .

But if we talk about the owners of Bitcoin, then most likely it will be a bit more difficult for a company to have Bitcoin, because there is more than one manager there, unlike a big whale.
what about a big whale ? i think they are the same as a company or institution and they are also a group that compose of many members  but anyone can buy thier own bitcoin if they wanted to   .
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I think it is not just about institutional capital but just basically whales. It doesn't matter if one person holds one billion dollar worth of bitcoin or a whole company holds it, as long as there is one entity that has too much bitcoin that is bad. I do not want rich people to get as much bitcoin as they can and collect all bitcoins in the world just like they did with dollars.

But it's a commodity to be acquired and the more money you have the more money you can spare in exchange for bitcoins.
I believe is what they do with the assets they hold that matter. We do not know how much for certain, bit Satoshi would definitely have a very large stash of bitcoins, but it's unlikely he'd take any action that would hurt the currency in the long run.
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I think it is not just about institutional capital but just basically whales. It doesn't matter if one person holds one billion dollar worth of bitcoin or a whole company holds it, as long as there is one entity that has too much bitcoin that is bad. I do not want rich people to get as much bitcoin as they can and collect all bitcoins in the world just like they did with dollars.

I want this space to be free from greed and hoarding, I want people with dollars to not just come in and buy as many bitcoins as they want and corner the market. They end up making bitcoin dance for them and do whatever they want with futures shorting and longs and they end up with more money basically winning money from the poor idiots who go against them. This should be a rich free zone if you ask me.
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I'm not sure if Bitcoin is used as a currency now

From my perspective, Bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies remains and will remain mostly a speculative asset. It is unlikely that we are going to see much interest from institutional investors any time soon. Really, what's in Bitcoin for them? It will be a free lunch and easy money for ordinary folks like you and me. But that has never been the case in the past and won't be in the future. In other words, "local" people tend to overestimate the importance of the whole crypto universe. It is small and insignificant (for big guns)
Bitcoin is still more of a speculative assets this way because it has not yet been regulated, if bitcoin can get regulated, I think it will even be more beneficial to these institutional investors, and this institution will not only use it for investment purpose, but for digital payment purpose, which is the main goal of bitcoin, but I guess it will really takes lots of time for it to be regulated as the governments that is need to regulate it has not yet picked interest in it.

Anyway, their regulation is just to fast track the adoption rate and make it quickly become less speculative market, but without government regulation, as we gradually proceed in the usage of the technology by ourselves, a time will show up when bitcoin becomes a stable coin, and then it would be difficult to speculate it, once it becomes less speculative, institutions will tend to use it as means of evading task, and many more reason other than this.
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In my personal opinion, we should thank these organizations. without them, we would not see the price of Bitcoin rising to $ 19k8 in 2017. without them, I think the crypto market is now only a few businesses really active. without them, no young millionaires will appear.
They really control the price of BTC but they are still on the right track and do not intend to destroy bitcoin. They are trying to raise its price every day.
sr. member
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2 years after this thread started and thankfully Bitcoin haven't yet completely collapsed. Thing is, we can't really easily stop institutions from buying bitcoins en masse, accessibility for all is on of the crypto's features.

We can get the government to legislate that companies only buy a certain maximum amount, etc., but do we really want to government to get even more involved?
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin.

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency?

I'm not sure if Bitcoin is used as a currency now

From my perspective, Bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies remains and will remain mostly a speculative asset. It is unlikely that we are going to see much interest from institutional investors any time soon. Really, what's in Bitcoin for them? It will be a free lunch and easy money for ordinary folks like you and me. But that has never been the case in the past and won't be in the future. In other words, "local" people tend to overestimate the importance of the whole crypto universe. It is small and insignificant (for big guns)
I think only a small number of countries use it as a currency, there was news that Japan started using bitcoin to pay company employees, from there there were institutions that believed in bitcoin, but I think it was only an alternative, because we know there are still many countries that reject it

That's not even so much about legal status of Bitcoin

As they say, you can take a horse to water but you can't make him drink. In the same manner, you can legalize Bitcoin completely but you won't be able to make people pay with it (unless you actually force them, e.g. via taxes). People are using cryptocurrencies for speculative purposes (and as a store of value, to a degree), but paying with Bitcoin for everyday things is like heating your home with banknotes (though it still remains an option)
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The Commodity Futures Trading Supervisory Board (BAPPEBTI) sets cryptocurrency as a commodity subject that can be traded on futures trading exchanges. Although the rules and procedures of trading are not completed, Bitcoin is projected to be the most possible reference to the crypto contract in the future.

As the world's most popular cryptocurrency, Bitcoin is now arguably a cryptocurrency with a foundation of capable technology and has the world's greatest community. These reasons make the investors think, Satoshi Nakamoto's currency is potentially a reference to the future of crypto-futures trading.
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin.

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency?

I'm not sure if Bitcoin is used as a currency now

From my perspective, Bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies remains and will remain mostly a speculative asset. It is unlikely that we are going to see much interest from institutional investors any time soon. Really, what's in Bitcoin for them? It will be a free lunch and easy money for ordinary folks like you and me. But that has never been the case in the past and won't be in the future. In other words, "local" people tend to overestimate the importance of the whole crypto universe. It is small and insignificant (for big guns)
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When we talk of institutional capital, it does not necessary mean that they put in such fund for investment or wants it to increase, we have various institutions that will simply just use it to make payment, maybe they are moving large amount of money from one country to another, and they will have to buy lots of bitcoin.

This type of fund do not usually stay long in the market, because it goes through payment gateways, and those gateways are ready to convert it to fiat immediately it gets to them, but the thing it really helps is that it reduces the quantity of bitcoin left in the market, and we know that as the supply gets limited, demands become higher, and once demands becomes higher than the supply, the effect of this is that it will surge the value of bitcoin higher. So, that is why we really need institutional bitcoin users.
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The debate is still on-going if large investments from institutional firms, would be good or bad for Bitcoin in the long run. Some are saying it will bring more volatility and others are just happy that the price will probably go to the Moon.

There are also conspiracy theories doing the rounds that these institutions will use their financial powers to destroy Bitcoin.

Some are even saying that the small fish will be eaten by the big sharks. Let's consider the impact of this and how this will change the Bitcoin scene.

Will Bitcoin go 100% commodity & store of value or will it still be used as a currency? 


I don’t really know this for sure, but there are lots of people that keeps saying they wish for institutions to start investing their money in Bitcoin because they believe that institution money is going to help the price of Bitcoin to go higher. But one thing you should also know is that all these people that are saying all these are just saying for their personal purpose. They all just want institutions to invest their money in cryptocurrency because they believe that it is going to make the price of cryptocurrency to increase and they will use that opportunity to make lots of money.
With all sincerity, that is why many investors you see now are in the market, to make money, and if we have to wait for adoption, many of us might not be getting the profit we are getting now without some of these institutional investors to put in their money in large sum which increases the price of bitcoin.

Do you know what the total market cap of bitcoin is, imagine that the few average investors we have keeps dropping whatever they have little by little, do you think that the market cap would have been upto that, it is when institutional capital enters that market that it encourages some people too to put in their fund in large quantity which will jointly push the value of bitcoin up for people like you and I to make profit. So, if you see people wishing for these institutional capitals, what else would it be other than to make money.
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