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Quote from: Pmalek on July 15, 2023, 01:55:22 AM

Imagine that I mention your name and say something about you in the Croatian local. It can be either something positive or negative. Maybe even an accusation of some kind. It's normal that you would have an opinion about this and would like to share it. In that case, you have two choices. You can either make a normal post in English because you speak that language or you can make a silly and probably wrongly google-translated post in Croatian. Btw, I think such google-translated posts in the local boards aren't allowed. If it's not allowed, you are stuck with either saying nothing or writing in English.

Quote from: Rikafip on July 15, 2023, 02:52:04 AM

I think that what it matetrs in the end is how often you do that; if you constantly write in local board using google translate (iirc there was a case like that in Italian board, maybe @fillippone can share more info ) some people might get annoyed (especially if you don't write proper and simple sentences so google translated posts end up gibberish) so you may end up reported but if you only do it every once in a while, I don't think that locals will mind it.

I totally agree!

It is true that the "rules" dictate that one should not post on these boards using translators. But I think this is a way to avoid abuse, as these boards were created for native speakers of that language to speak, without having to use English.

Now, if it is in specific situations, framed in the subject that is being talked about, or to clear a doubt about something from that country (countries), I don't see any problem in resorting to this type of tools. Furthermore, if I am spoken to on a board of any language, and I think that what was said deserves a response from me. I see no harm in using a translator to respond.

And from my experience, this has never been frowned upon by the language community. As long as the person doesn't abuse it, I don't think anyone will care about it.

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Quote from: Pmalek on July 15, 2023, 01:55:22 AM

Btw, I think such google-translated posts in the local boards aren't allowed.

I am not sure about this as I've used Google translate to post in other local boards and had no issues whatsoever, and I remember other members using Google translate to write posts in our local board and again there was no issues.

I think that what it matetrs in the end is how often you do that; if you constantly write in local board using google translate (iirc there was a case like that in Italian board, maybe @fillippone can share more info ) some people might get annoyed (especially if you don't write proper and simple sentences so google translated posts end up gibberish) so you may end up reported but if you only do it every once in a while, I don't think that locals will mind it.

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Quote from: Renampun on July 15, 2023, 01:45:47 AM

for countries that have multiple languages, tolerance using other than the main language is a must imo. but if you are unified (fellow local members of the board), you must set other language rules that are prohibited in local posts.

Like I said in my previous post, it all depends on why you are posting in English.

Imagine that I mention your name and say something about you in the Croatian local. It can be either something positive or negative. Maybe even an accusation of some kind. It's normal that you would have an opinion about this and would like to share it. In that case, you have two choices. You can either make a normal post in English because you speak that language or you can make a silly and probably wrongly google-translated post in Croatian. Btw, I think such google-translated posts in the local boards aren't allowed. If it's not allowed, you are stuck with either saying nothing or writing in English.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2023, 03:36:18 PM

Recently I came across a query where I suggested that We cannot post in the "All English" language in a local board or it is not recommended at least.

Yes, i know that if the posts are a mixture of English & local language, then it is fine. Even if some posts are being done in pure English, they are ok but if a person has a post history where he only insists to speak in English on a local board, what do the rules of bitcointalk say in this regard?

why should this be debated, some countries have multiple languages (but for my country it's different, the majority of members on the Indonesian local board only use Indonesian, never other languages such as English or Malaysia)

for countries that have multiple languages, tolerance using other than the main language is a must imo. but if you are unified (fellow local members of the board), you must set other language rules that are prohibited in local posts.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2023, 03:36:18 PM

Recently I came across a query where I suggested that We cannot post in the "All English" language in a local board or it is not recommended at least.

Yes, i know that if the posts are a mixture of English & local language, then it is fine. Even if some posts are being done in pure English, they are ok but if a person has a post history where he only insists to speak in English on a local board, what do the rules of bitcointalk say in this regard?

Everything depends on individual understanding of the use of the local board section and rules set up for the local board posting by the moderators in charge but from my own personal understanding based on the name given to the section "local section" which technically means "local language section" and if people are to use it for English posting there's no point in having it as the local board.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on June 27, 2023, 04:33:38 PM

But i have seen some languages like Nigerian language, most words are actually in English, so I think it's OK to post there in English. The same applies to the Indian or Pilipinas board.

Yes in the Nigerian locals English is used likewise Pidgin English because it is the language that can be used for effective communication there since every one understands it better but if there are rules that doesn't support the use of English language for communication in the local boards then it's going to be difficult for some local boards to interact effectively since the Nigerian languages and others are so many and the people there don't speak nor understand each other's languages.

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I occasionally see posts written in English in our local board, and I don't mind it if it's a one-time thing. It usually happens when you mention a member's name who then gets notified by a bot that someone mentioned them and they drop by to either explain themselves or comment in some other way. I see no problem with that. I would only consider it a problem if you made it a habit to write English posts in an alternative language forum. It simply shouldn't be like that, and that's not why we have local boards.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2023, 03:36:18 PM

Recently I came across a query where I suggested that We cannot post in the "All English" language in a local board or it is not recommended at least.

Reading everyone contributions to the question just shows us how leaving the forum open for our own interpretation is doing a good job of carrying everybody along. In my own understanding local boards should be strictly for local language discussion and when there's more than one official languages in a country, the local boards should come up with a solution which is to choose a widely spoken language that's acceptable in their country. I don't have to use English on the main boards and also be forced to use English when I want to communicate locally.

English is a borrowed language and when opportunity that are meant to promote my local dialect (or way of communicating) get overtaken by English I don't feel nice about that. Although that's just my feeling and I don't have to imposed that on anyone which is why what I said from the beginning stands, we don't have a fix rule for all local board so each local board can come up with their own rules and it has to be obeyed by the members of the board. If the local board says no English, you have to respect that and for those accepting English that's fine as well. It all depends on the local board.

Yes, by the above discussion, it is obvious that one can post in English on a local board, but personally, I too will not like to do that when I can express my feelings in my own local language.

English is no doubt a second language in most of countries and all the educated population of the world understand English, but why use it on local boards when we have a whole forum to write in English? We cannot write in the local language anywhere in the forum except on the Local boards, Right? So enjoy the privilege to talk in a non-English language and feel like home

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Quote from: letteredhub on July 10, 2023, 04:05:03 PM

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Local board will have their own rules. I think India are posting in English. Some Nigerians too are posting in English. But there are some local boards that only local languages are allowed, depending on the local board rules.

It's as simple as that. You just don't use English language in a country's local board that speak purely their native language as an official language in their country. Using English language in such local boards you may be viewed as an alien to the local board and communication with fellow locals would not sink. English is not an official language in every country though some people decides to learn it but when a local board don't accept it, just respect that decision and follow suit.

This is not what we should be arguing about because if every local boards has there own rules then everyone that choose to write there must adhere to the instructions and rules of the local board. If the rules says, no English language or other languages is allowed except the native language that is agreed by the local board members.

There is no néed to go against the rules no matter what, whether your weekly posts must be in English language or not.
It is important for everyone of us to stick to the local board rules too in as much as we are sticking to the general forum rules that guide everyone to respect themselves and do things in a way that is ethical and does not compromised other people's opinions.
Being direct and behaving according to rules is what we should all adhere to in order to establish a a strong rapport with other members of the forum and in our local boards.

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Most local boards are for languages and not for countries. India, Nigeria, Philippines and Scandinavia are exceptions. Spanish is spoken in dozens of countries and even if any of them there will be any other popular language it doesn't mean that it is welcomed in Spanish section. Many of languages presented in Local boards sections are spoken in different countries: Arabic, French, German, Russian, etc. If you want to speak Romansh which is one of the official languages in Switzerland along with German, French and Italian, it would be not good to go to any of these three sections, it would be right to open a separate topic for Romansh language or for Switzerland as a country in an Other languages/locations section.

You are not wrong for local board is about language but you are missing the fact that local board was a board to discuss the topic specifically for that country or if a global topic being discussed on a local language. I think it’s just confusing on country that has similarity on language like the previous USSR that already split on different country and so on since they share same language before.

I said that you are not wrong since at some local board it’s about language but the discussion on most of the local board is more on the local topics and not about the language alone which you are implying on your post.

You are emphasizing some country. But which country? Look at the Spanish board, their Mercadillo section is divided to Mexico, Argentina, España and Centroamerica y Caribe subsections. But other sections are for all the Spanish speaking. Which country is for German? Austria, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg or Switzerland?

If we talk about Russian board then there are dozens of official languages in Russia (if you think that it could be related to some country), but if someone will decide to speak Bashkir or Khanty for example, they should open a separate language topic in Other languages/locations. And there are topics about what is happening in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine and other countries, not only of Ex-USSR, anyone interested to discuss anything in Russian and who knows Russian enough to speak without online translator is welcomed on a Russian board! From any part of the Earth and further.

So, of course most discussed topics on the language boards are "local", but that "local" is usually not locked in the boundaries of some exact country. Many of these languages are spoken wide enough.

Again, That’s what actually I’m telling, There are some language that being use in different country since they are belong to a single country before or colonial like your example is Spanish since Spain conquest many country before like my country. You are choosing a language that is debatable while leaving all the other local board that is a country based. Again, I said you are not wrong because some local board is indeed a language based.

The other languages and location board proves that local board are based on location and languages. That is just my point on this discussion.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2023, 03:36:18 PM

Recently I came across a query where I suggested that We cannot post in the "All English" language in a local board or it is not recommended at least.

Yes, i know that if the posts are a mixture of English & local language, then it is fine. Even if some posts are being done in pure English, they are ok but if a person has a post history where he only insists to speak in English on a local board, what do the rules of bitcointalk say in this regard?

In local board like NIGERIA (NAIJA) we communicate in English but the best there is pigin because it pass that vibe and a lot of fun when we read through each members reply and who relate to the OP topic post. but in the sense that the local is meant for that language of the local and u just should up from no where and start replying in english other than the local language, u wont be giving much attention because e go come be like say na your own good pass.

this is in naija local language

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2023, 03:36:18 PM

Recently I came across a query where I suggested that We cannot post in the "All English" language in a local board or it is not recommended at least.

Reading everyone contributions to the question just shows us how leaving the forum open for our own interpretation is doing a good job of carrying everybody along. In my own understanding local boards should be strictly for local language discussion and when there's more than one official languages in a country, the local boards should come up with a solution which is to choose a widely spoken language that's acceptable in their country. I don't have to use English on the main boards and also be forced to use English when I want to communicate locally.

English is a borrowed language and when opportunity that are meant to promote my local dialect (or way of communicating) get overtaken by English I don't feel nice about that. Although that's just my feeling and I don't have to imposed that on anyone which is why what I said from the beginning stands, we don't have a fix rule for all local board so each local board can come up with their own rules and it has to be obeyed by the members of the board. If the local board says no English, you have to respect that and for those accepting English that's fine as well. It all depends on the local board.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 27, 2023, 03:42:25 PM

Local board will have their own rules. I think India are posting in English. Some Nigerians too are posting in English. But there are some local boards that only local languages are allowed, depending on the local board rules.

It's as simple as that. You just don't use English language in a country's local board that speak purely their native language as an official language in their country. Using English language in such local boards you may be viewed as an alien to the local board and communication with fellow locals would not sink. English is not an official language in every country though some people decides to learn it but when a local board don't accept it, just respect that decision and follow suit.

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Quote from: Wapfika on July 10, 2023, 11:43:30 AM

Quote from: jokers10 on July 07, 2023, 02:40:00 PM

Most local boards are for languages and not for countries. India, Nigeria, Philippines and Scandinavia are exceptions. Spanish is spoken in dozens of countries and even if any of them there will be any other popular language it doesn't mean that it is welcomed in Spanish section. Many of languages presented in Local boards sections are spoken in different countries: Arabic, French, German, Russian, etc. If you want to speak Romansh which is one of the official languages in Switzerland along with German, French and Italian, it would be not good to go to any of these three sections, it would be right to open a separate topic for Romansh language or for Switzerland as a country in an Other languages/locations section.

You are not wrong for local board is about language but you are missing the fact that local board was a board to discuss the topic specifically for that country or if a global topic being discussed on a local language. I think it’s just confusing on country that has similarity on language like the previous USSR that already split on different country and so on since they share same language before.

I said that you are not wrong since at some local board it’s about language but the discussion on most of the local board is more on the local topics and not about the language alone which you are implying on your post.

You are emphasizing some country. But which country? Look at the Spanish board, their Mercadillo section is divided to Mexico, Argentina, España and Centroamerica y Caribe subsections. But other sections are for all the Spanish speaking. Which country is for German? Austria, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg or Switzerland?

If we talk about Russian board then there are dozens of official languages in Russia (if you think that it could be related to some country), but if someone will decide to speak Bashkir or Khanty for example, they should open a separate language topic in Other languages/locations. And there are topics about what is happening in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, Ukraine and other countries, not only of Ex-USSR, anyone interested to discuss anything in Russian and who knows Russian enough to speak without online translator is welcomed on a Russian board! From any part of the Earth and further.

So, of course most discussed topics on the language boards are "local", but that "local" is usually not locked in the boundaries of some exact country. Many of these languages are spoken wide enough.

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Also you are quoting a statement by EFS that clearly stated that posting English Language will be deleted once done on his local board except for those thread that he post which is a question for Turkish people from non Turkish people. I believe this case is really acceptable but for a local members discussed in English on Local board is not acceptable except on some countries that has multiple language or English is common language too like India and Nigeria.

Most local boards are for languages and not for countries. India, Nigeria, Philippines and Scandinavia are exceptions. Spanish is spoken in dozens of countries and even if any of them there will be any other popular language it doesn't mean that it is welcomed in Spanish section. Many of languages presented in Local boards sections are spoken in different countries: Arabic, French, German, Russian, etc. If you want to speak Romansh which is one of the official languages in Switzerland along with German, French and Italian, it would be not good to go to any of these three sections, it would be right to open a separate topic for Romansh language or for Switzerland as a country in an Other languages/locations section.

You are not wrong for local board is about language but you are missing the fact that local board was a board to discuss the topic specifically for that country or if a global topic being discussed on a local language. I think it’s just confusing on country that has similarity on language like the previous USSR that already split on different country and so on since they share same language before.

I said that you are not wrong since at some local board it’s about language but the discussion on most of the local board is more on the local topics and not about the language alone which you are implying on your post.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2023, 03:36:18 PM

Recently I came across a query where I suggested that We cannot post in the "All English" language in a local board or it is not recommended at least.

Yes, i know that if the posts are a mixture of English & local language, then it is fine. Even if some posts are being done in pure English, they are ok but if a person has a post history where he only insists to speak in English on a local board, what do the rules of bitcointalk say in this regard?

There are no restrictions on posting on the language local board.

I think you are aware that the forum has some rules that apply to all. When you post in the local language, sometimes the rules of posting are relaxed, so that others people can understand everything very well in simple language.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 27, 2023, 03:36:18 PM

Recently I came across a query where I suggested that We cannot post in the "All English" language in a local board or it is not recommended at least.

Yes, i know that if the posts are a mixture of English & local language, then it is fine. Even if some posts are being done in pure English, they are ok but if a person has a post history where he only insists to speak in English on a local board, what do the rules of bitcointalk say in this regard?

As far as I know, I think there is no rule regarding this but yes local board must stick to their language.

But I guess that's not the only purpose of local boards to post content in their local language. Local boards are also meant to discuss issues related to specific country or region.

I regularly visit India local board and most of threads there are in pure English. I guess it is mostly because India is a country of diverse culture and languages. There are roughly 780 languages spoken in India and some of them have their own script too.
In such case it is better to use English and not stick to local language.

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 08, 2023, 04:20:31 AM

Let's be honest, many people don't even know how to write properly in their own native language (or maybe they simply don't ncare to write properly) so when they put that text in Google translate, of course there will be all kind of mistakes. But if you write proper sentences without idioms and expressions native to your own langauge, Google will do a pretty decent job.

I heard from some people that ChatGPT does even better job at translating than Google but I haven't tested its translation capablities yet.

I have also not done it for translation purposes but definitely it would be give better results then google because it gives messy results and lines sometimes doesn't make sense as I have experienced in the past.But after this post I am going to try the difference in both to check it with different sentences in some languages but according to me AI will give much better output.

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Quote from: jokers10 on July 08, 2023, 03:15:41 AM

But if to look at the posts in other languages made with automated translation, they're not as good. Sometimes mistakes left by translator make text unclear or understood wrongly. Automated translators are not so perfect for many languages, they let you understand main sense of a text, but not make it perfect with a perfect grammar.

Let's be honest, many people don't even know how to write properly in their own native language (or maybe they simply don't ncare to write properly) so when they put that text in Google translate, of course there will be all kind of mistakes. But if you write proper sentences without idioms and expressions native to your own langauge, Google will do a pretty decent job.

I heard from some people that ChatGPT does even better job at translating than Google but I haven't tested its translation capablities yet.

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 08, 2023, 01:10:24 AM

I think results depend a lot on the kind of language you are using. If you are using bunch of slang and idioms, Google translate will have issues and it will result in gibberish, but as long as you are sticking to clear and properly written sentences (which I am doing when using translate to write on other local boards) Google will do a pretty decent job.

That's right.
When an automatic translator is used, you cannot speak as if with another person of the same language. You should use short and direct sentences. Simple phrases without very specific expressions that only exist in our language.

Of course, it will never be perfect, but in most cases it will have the ideal quality for a good conversation.

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