Is it ethical to have robots sell coins to humans that don't know its a robot?

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Quote from: o48o on May 10, 2023, 06:22:40 AM

Quote from: tread93 on May 09, 2023, 09:52:07 PM

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in the future though eventually there will be AI that has better emotional intelligence as well.
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That wouldn't even be that hard to imagine. Humans tend to avoid to do any emotional labor to the point of breaking point and mass shootings. AI:s would work though emotional problems way easier, and they don't need even sympathy to figure our problems out. Just empathy, and that doesn't need to be for humans only, as you don't need much feelings to believe what the other person is going trough. Humans have problems with empathy all the time as they confuse it with sympathy. In fact humans are in overall pretty mess with their suppressed feelings.

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While that is true to some extent you can't just replicate true and genuine human emotions, if they're robotic reactions and AI educated guess responses of what the correct emotional output is based on the current human / situation they're dealing with in real time who is to say that the robot doesn't mix up empathy and sympathy and what that should be/look like when given the opportunity to project their response back. The very term emotion doesn't work the same for robots, I feel like robot emotions will need their own classifications lol. Robototions? Hahahhaha idk man. Weird shit we're talking here lmfao.

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Quote from: minerjones on May 06, 2023, 03:31:13 PM

-Soon there will be no truck drivers/taxi drivers.... self-driving cars
-Soon there will be no warehouse workers.... thanks Bezos
-Soon there will be no fast-food workers.... thanks Frybot
-Soon there will be no hotel staff.... robot maids/self-check-in
-Soon there will be no farmers... AI can do it better
-Soon there will be no actors/singers/movie stars... all replace by AI

These things will probably happen in the future because of ongoing studies and improvements that can make it into reality and we have the clear evidence now because we don't really expect that a mere chat can answer almost all of the logical questions out there including medical and rocket science things. The self-driving vehicles will be the next ones to appear and although we are seeing them as failed products this year, they still improving a lot and they are going fast with their improvement so, in the upcoming decade, we will see lots of major changes because now that this becomes a trend everyone wants to make their own version of it.

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Quote from: tread93 on May 09, 2023, 09:52:07 PM

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in the future though eventually there will be AI that has better emotional intelligence as well.
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That wouldn't even be that hard to imagine. Humans tend to avoid to do any emotional labor to the point of breaking point and mass shootings. AI:s would work though emotional problems way easier, and they don't need even sympathy to figure our problems out. Just empathy, and that doesn't need to be for humans only, as you don't need much feelings to believe what the other person is going trough. Humans have problems with empathy all the time as they confuse it with sympathy. In fact humans are in overall pretty mess with their suppressed feelings.

Quote from: Iadegbola34 on May 09, 2023, 10:29:53 AM

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In terms of the human emotional connection, while robots can simulate empathy and understanding to some extent, they cannot fully replace the nuances of human emotion and the value of authentic human interaction.

This is very human centric thought pattern where we need to see ourselves more important then other lifeforms (i am counting in self aware AI from the future as well). We need to see ourselves as essential part of the universe to avoid accepting our own insignificance in it. But for now if it helps, humans are the best ones to solve human problems as experts by experience. It doesn't need to be so in the future.

Edit: now i sound so much against humans and pro AI that i fear this message will get flagged as generated by an evil AI

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Quote from: tread93 on May 09, 2023, 09:52:07 PM

eventually there will be AI that has better emotional intelligence as well.

Although it is indeed possible that in the future AIs will also be able to act like humans with the help of a wide variety of data regarding human emotions, I doubt that it will be able to fully surpass humans in this aspect. At least not to an extent where they are able to make decisions that needs not just logic but also human emotions and common sense. At best, I think they will only be capable of obeying commands and conversing with humans more naturally than how they do today.

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Quote from: Similificator on May 09, 2023, 06:17:40 AM

Well, we are already heading into a future where most of the jobs that humans use to take will be given to robots/AI since it would be more cost efficient and less prone to errors compared to humans that gets tired, sick, needs insurances, leaves and so much more. And what's sad about this is that we can't even blame business owners since the choice to switch is reasonable in terms of profit, quality and quantity of products or services. This doesn't apply to jobs that require human emotions and common sense though, so I guess that's at least one good thing to look forward to, yes? xD

Honestly you really can't blame them for this, I would have to agree and those are all great points that any business owner should use for justification. But the justification on our end as humans having the common sense & emotional intelligence is definitely a justification to keep our jobs. If we wan't to keep those jobs in the future though eventually there will be AI that has better emotional intelligence as well. So now we really are leading up to man vs machine. This future where AI can take all our jobs is not far off. The time to hustle and create your own income and businesses has never been more important than it is right now for the average person living on this planet!

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I can understand your concerns about the potential for robots to replace human jobs. While AI technology has its advantages, it's important to consider the ethical implications of using it in sales and whether customers should be made aware if they are speaking to a robot. Ultimately, the decision to use AI technology in the workplace should be made with careful consideration of its impact on human employees and the values of the company. In terms of the human emotional connection, while robots can simulate empathy and understanding to some extent, they cannot fully replace the nuances of human emotion and the value of authentic human interaction.

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Well, we are already heading into a future where most of the jobs that humans use to take will be given to robots/AI since it would be more cost efficient and less prone to errors compared to humans that gets tired, sick, needs insurances, leaves and so much more. And what's sad about this is that we can't even blame business owners since the choice to switch is reasonable in terms of profit, quality and quantity of products or services. This doesn't apply to jobs that require human emotions and common sense though, so I guess that's at least one good thing to look forward to, yes? xD

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Quote from: yhiaali3 on May 07, 2023, 04:11:30 AM

Strange coincidence, today I was having a conversation with ChatGPT and I asked it the following question:
Can robots ever defeat humans?
This was his answer literally:

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It is not possible to accurately determine whether a robot can one day win over humans, but it depends on several factors, including the development of technology and artificial intelligence and its use in designing robots, as well as the ability of humans to deal with new challenges and develop their skills.

The development of robots and artificial intelligence depends heavily on their programming and learning, and therefore the development of artificial intelligence that is programmed correctly requires a lot of time, effort and resources. Although robots may be able to carry out tasks better and faster than humans in some cases, they do not have the expertise, emotion and awareness that distinguish humans.

However, robots can be very useful in many fields, such as industry, medicine, agriculture, logistics, entertainment, etc., and help improve the quality of life, saving effort, time, and costs. It is important to ensure that technology is used safely and responsibly, and to provide training and education for humans so that they can deal with new challenges, improve their skills, and compete with robots in the areas in which they can work.

According to the words of the robot, the main difference between humans and robots is that "they do not have the experience, emotion and awareness that distinguish humans."

So this is the most important point that is difficult for robots to possess, so I do not think that they will succeed in overcoming humans in areas that need some kind of feelings or emotion or feeling for others.

But they will certainly succeed in areas that do not require these feelings.

Also, as the robot said: Humans should train and improve their skills to be able to beat the robots.

The only way that humans can compete with robots would really to utilize something like NeuralLink and musk type tech. Now I think that wouldn't be good, I wouldn't want to become part robot lol. I don't care how smart it would make me, I personally don't think it would be worth it. I feel like the world is just slowly becoming more and more like star wars movies lol

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Quote from: tread93 on May 06, 2023, 03:26:09 PM

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Can't wait to get some feedback on all this. Okay so the breakdown and what I would love feedback on recap: What do you think of using chat GPT for business and also for phone sales, is it ethical if the end prospect doesn't know they are a robot? Also, will robots replace human jobs to the point that it will put entire industry class professionals out of business? Do you think that the human emotional connection can be replaced by robots?

I've seen chatgpt using more empathy then ton of humans out there. Empathy oesn't need to be feel based, it's just seeing things from other's perspective and it can be faked.

If you are only using it for phone or email sales, i don't see much issues. Ai could just identify itself being an AI. people would most likely like to talk with it just to see what it says. And obviously companies would need to prepare for prompt hacking as it could be used against the company too.

ChatGPT and other AI:s are tools that people won't just stop using now that they are out of the bag. In fact people will assume it's been used just like google in every situation it's needed.

However situations that i don't think it's ethical to use chatGPT are those where chatgpt or any other AI makes decisions for humans. As they are black boxes and we have no way of knowing how AI makes it's conclusions. It could be biased against ethnic groups and when the main goal of the company is to make money we don't have a way to verify what other biases it could have.

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when a high rate of jobs will be replaced by gpt or (ro)bots, then a corresponding number of people won't have an income, won't have a resource of funds, won't have money to buy goods nor use the services from all the companies and businesses that have replaced those people. Politics will have to deal with high unemployment, businesses will collapse, companies crash, economy suffer, criminality increase ... exaggerated but possible outlook

You know that robot can not perform all the functions, even robot take over everything or working activities robot can not have business and they most be employment for some of the small sectors and big sectors, i believe what robot can help and do all the minor work's, so let us not be discouraged of robot taking over employment space and man kind will come to suffer.

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Strange coincidence, today I was having a conversation with ChatGPT and I asked it the following question:
Can robots ever defeat humans?
This was his answer literally:

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It is not possible to accurately determine whether a robot can one day win over humans, but it depends on several factors, including the development of technology and artificial intelligence and its use in designing robots, as well as the ability of humans to deal with new challenges and develop their skills.

The development of robots and artificial intelligence depends heavily on their programming and learning, and therefore the development of artificial intelligence that is programmed correctly requires a lot of time, effort and resources. Although robots may be able to carry out tasks better and faster than humans in some cases, they do not have the expertise, emotion and awareness that distinguish humans.

However, robots can be very useful in many fields, such as industry, medicine, agriculture, logistics, entertainment, etc., and help improve the quality of life, saving effort, time, and costs. It is important to ensure that technology is used safely and responsibly, and to provide training and education for humans so that they can deal with new challenges, improve their skills, and compete with robots in the areas in which they can work.

According to the words of the robot, the main difference between humans and robots is that "they do not have the experience, emotion and awareness that distinguish humans."

So this is the most important point that is difficult for robots to possess, so I do not think that they will succeed in overcoming humans in areas that need some kind of feelings or emotion or feeling for others.

But they will certainly succeed in areas that do not require these feelings.

Also, as the robot said: Humans should train and improve their skills to be able to beat the robots.

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Quote from: minerjones on May 06, 2023, 03:31:13 PM

If there is profit to be made, ethics become less important.
Why employ a human when robots don't call in sick, take vacations/lunch breaks and can work 24/7 without hesitation.

Entire industries will transform into human-free work environments with the rise if ChatGPT/AI,etc

-Soon there will be no truck drivers/taxi drivers.... self-driving cars
-Soon there will be no warehouse workers.... thanks Bezos
-Soon there will be no fast-food workers.... thanks Frybot
-Soon there will be no hotel staff.... robot maids/self-check-in
-Soon there will be no farmers... AI can do it better
-Soon there will be no actors/singers/movie stars... all replace by AI

And why are the only things that have gotten bigger/better/cheaper with technology are televisions? Huh

That is where it becomes scary, because at that point who is to blame when things go wrong? The makers? The governments? They will just blame an error on tech when really whatever happened is probably part of some larger grand scheme or plotting, or worse the AI takes over humanity. On the plotting / scenario 1 I infer is exactly what a power hungry elite would want. Remove all blame on or any trace back to the original source and profit like 7 different ways out of it, I mean thats exactly what they did with the Covid Scam, isn't it? And scenario 2 well that is just a grim looking future, we might need to gear up in order to fight back. Do you want your Iron man suit in Hot Rod Red or Matte Black? hahhahahh Soon all of what you stated will definitely come to pass, and much more. I mean it will literally change everything, and even the televisions of the future won't even come close to the TVs of today. There actually won't be TVs at all it'll be called a light box or something and be a hologram lol.

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when a high rate of jobs will be replaced by gpt or (ro)bots, then a corresponding number of people won't have an income, won't have a resource of funds, won't have money to buy goods nor use the services from all the companies and businesses that have replaced those people. Politics will have to deal with high unemployment, businesses will collapse, companies crash, economy suffer, criminality increase ... exaggerated but possible outlook

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Quote from: minerjones on May 06, 2023, 03:55:06 PM

Ever seen the movie Wall-E?.... that's where we are headed "Buy-N-Low" = Amazon! Cheesy

HaHa! So true...but I am awaiting for AI to disrupt the travel industry with an invention a la Star Trek beam me up Scotty device where

a person can walk thru a portal and come out in a distant place...actually more of a The Jaunt by Stephen King invention....great little story he wrote a few years back!

But imagine that and perhaps Virtual reality like in the movie Strange Days with Ralph Fienes!

Maybe just something like "Total Recall"... where we don't even have to go there... they'll just implant the memories.

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Quote from: minerjones on May 06, 2023, 03:55:06 PM

Ever seen the movie Wall-E?.... that's where we are headed "Buy-N-Low" = Amazon! Cheesy

HaHa! So true...but I am awaiting for AI to disrupt the travel industry with an invention a la Star Trek beam me up Scotty device where

a person can walk thru a portal and come out in a distant place...actually more of a The Jaunt by Stephen King invention....great little story he wrote a few years back!

But imagine that and perhaps Virtual reality like in the movie Strange Days with Ralph Fienes!

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Quote from: minerjones on May 06, 2023, 03:55:06 PM

Ever seen the movie Wall-E?.... that's where we are headed "Buy-N-Low" = Amazon! Cheesy

And men just lay down on the couch waiting for the robots to feed them chips. I saw a video about Mcdonalds having robots only in their drive-thru. That eliminates error and at the same time cost effective for them.

Robots are just very effective than humans though and his boss just figured they can make more money out of it while buyers have no idea they were cheated.

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Quote from: minerjones on May 06, 2023, 03:31:13 PM

If there is profit to be made, ethics become less important.
Why employ a human when robots don't call in sick, take vacations/lunch breaks and can work 24/7 without hesitation.

Entire industries will transform into human-free work environments with the rise if ChatGPT/AI,etc

-Soon there will be no truck drivers/taxi drivers.... self-driving cars
-Soon there will be no warehouse workers.... thanks Bezos
-Soon there will be no fast-food workers.... thanks Frybot
-Soon there will be no hotel staff.... robot maids/self-check-in
-Soon there will be no farmers... AI can do it better
-Soon there will be no actors/singers/movie stars... all replace by AI

And why are the only things that have gotten bigger/better/cheaper with technology are televisions? Huh

I don't agree with the farming part quite yet. Although self-driving and fully automated tractors exist in 2023 they are 1M+ each.

Farmers also need to be on site to manage the supplies associated with loading and managing the farm operations. Each geospatial area has it's own limitations and unique geography that will have to be mapped by a technical specialist.

Although I can envision an entire autonomous farm setup where self-managing machines know how to refuel (recharge), order their own supplies automatically when out of seed, restock tractors, plow fields and harvest crops fully autonomously.

A fully automated farm would be very expensive to setup at the moment, reserved for only the wealthiest of farm operations at the moment. I can see this tech begin to trickle and disrupt the industry with economies of scale as well as advancements in making the technology cheaper and more efficient.

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