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Topic: Is it illegal for someone to hack my BTC wallet? - page 5. (Read 15275 times)

newbie
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In the countries where it's recognized as money, it would be.

I hadn't heard about that happening. Does anyone have a list of which countries BitCoin has been officially declared a currency?

Germany has declared it a private currency:

And seriously, read the title of the webpage. It's Bitcoin, not BitCoin.

It's the "virtual goods" part that makes it curious.
If you use bad crypto and I steal your Bitcoins is that more like me breaking into your house and stealing your cash (illegal) or more like me ganking you in a full-loot MMO and stealing the in-game stuff you bought with real money (legal)? Are Bitcoins more like dollars or EVE money where the law is concerned?

It's kind of a problematic situation though. How do you prove ownership of an address? Usually you only have your private key (so you could, for example, sign a message with your private key and people could check that you are in possession of said key). But if a crypto cracker gets your key, both of you kind of have 'proof of ownership'.
Unless you can show that, e.g., salary payments from your employer went to that address, proving ownership will be a problem.


Just like cash
Edit: Why the downvotes...?
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
In the countries where it's recognized as money, it would be.

I hadn't heard about that happening. Does anyone have a list of which countries BitCoin has been officially declared a currency?

Germany has declared it a private currency:

And seriously, read the title of the webpage. It's Bitcoin, not BitCoin.

It's the "virtual goods" part that makes it curious.
If you use bad crypto and I steal your Bitcoins is that more like me breaking into your house and stealing your cash (illegal) or more like me ganking you in a full-loot MMO and stealing the in-game stuff you bought with real money (legal)? Are Bitcoins more like dollars or EVE money where the law is concerned?

It's kind of a problematic situation though. How do you prove ownership of an address? Usually you only have your private key (so you could, for example, sign a message with your private key and people could check that you are in possession of said key). But if a crypto cracker gets your key, both of you kind of have 'proof of ownership'.
Unless you can show that, e.g., salary payments from your employer went to that address, proving ownership will be a problem.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
In the countries where it's recognized as money, it would be.

I hadn't heard about that happening. Does anyone have a list of which countries BitCoin has been officially declared a currency?

Germany has declared it a private currency:

And seriously, read the title of the webpage. It's Bitcoin, not BitCoin.

It's the "virtual goods" part that makes it curious.
If you use bad crypto and I steal your Bitcoins is that more like me breaking into your house and stealing your cash (illegal) or more like me ganking you in a full-loot MMO and stealing the in-game stuff you bought with real money (legal)? Are Bitcoins more like dollars or EVE money where the law is concerned?
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
In the countries where it's recognized as money, it would be.

I hadn't heard about that happening. Does anyone have a list of which countries BitCoin has been officially declared a currency?

Germany has declared it a private currency:

And seriously, read the title of the webpage. It's Bitcoin, not BitCoin.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
In the countries where it's recognized as money, it would be.

I hadn't heard about that happening. Does anyone have a list of which countries BitCoin has been officially declared a currency?
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
In the countries where it's recognized as money, it would be.
sr. member
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I actually think the legality or illegality of some acts depends on being protected by law, of which there is no precise law in my own country binding the use of bitcoin  but the legality of the hackers on your own account is pronounced by you. Now, its actually a wrong act hacking people's account. Its relatively fraud or theft and can simply be categorized as a criminal act, but it also lies in our ability to keep our private keys safe. Because as soon as our private key is accessible. Both the wallet and the coin is no more safe.
full member
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Of course. This is just as the same as stealing because hacking the BTC wallet means that they will transfer your Bitcoins to their accounts. However, this can not really be addressed well as a legal case because hackers are really hard to identify and you have no strong evidence to convict someone with it. Hackers in today's time are now really active especially to hacking Bitcoin and cryptocurrency wallets because it was advertised that Bitcoin is now really high in terms of value. The best way to avoid being hacked is just to not trust anyone our accounts and always change the password with a strong one every now and then.
legendary
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No since there is no law surrounding bitcoin, the same way it's not illegal to create an exchange and steal all the money, they will not be charged

My government still forbid bitcoin , it means that bitcoin user have their own risk and responsible with their bitcoin.
I'm already aware that happen so I keep prepare myself for the worst and always becareful every time when I try to do transaction especially on public place. ( bitcoin getting expensive, more criminal attempt will come )
legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  
Probably this act of moving funds from an authorized account to their account would be considered trespass or computer theft regardless whether bitcoin is legal or illegal in your jurisdiction.

Other likely charges https://www.pagepate.com/experience/criminal-defense/federal-crimes/federal-computer-crimes/
legendary
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No since there is no law surrounding bitcoin, the same way it's not illegal to create an exchange and steal all the money, they will not be charged
member
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While bitcoin is not legal, its theft will not be considered a crime
Your answer is confusing,Can you opine it normally?Why do you think that its not legal? First of all it depends on your country. Do you know  definition of this word? This is not answer.This action is directed against of others private property,Hacker gets someone's property by illegal,Secretly.In another situation,If bitcoin is prohibited in your country/state,you will not have the basis for the request based on criminal law norms  from Investigative authorities,To get them back.
sr. member
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Hacking is Illegal in every way. In digital world, If you are entering into someone private space without permission then it is totally an illegal act and should be punishable under law. Now it all depends upon your country's law, how strong is your country's digital law and how seriously they take it.
hero member
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I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I think the answer primarily depends on the laws and regulations of the country that you are staying. The scenario given is very situational, yet intriguing since this things seem to happen commonly. To give you an example, to government agency of my country (Philippines) sees bitcoin as property, therefore being subject to hacking equates to stealing which is punishable under our penal laws. Though proving and getting the culprit might seem impossible, if proven guilt then the individual may face charges against him. Again, this is really dependent on the country that you are staying since some government agencies have their own agenda/perspective when it comes to bitcoin so you better check-it out first.
Depending on case because tracking hacking incident involves on bitcoin is not really an easy task to be traced unless if you have done it on legal terms just like using up their local wallet which is coins.ph. which if you do tend to hack someones co-users then tracing up would be simple since they are regulated by BSP but talking on other wallet then they don't have the step for it to traced if those funds came from hacking or from legit ones.
newbie
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Of course hacking per se is not illegal; the actual offense is something like “gaining unauthorized access to a computer”. If it’s not your account, and you keep guessing the password or reset questions till you get in, clearly that’s unauthorized access.

legendary
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I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

oh hell to the yes. hacking, or the contemporary meaning of it, is not taking anything more so than accessing something without your permission. for the edification of the community, please see here:

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Criminal offenses under the Act[edit]
(a) Whoever—

(1) having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access, and by means of such conduct having obtained information that has been determined by the United States Government pursuant to an Executive order or statute to require protection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national defense or foreign relations, or any restricted data, as defined in paragraph y. of section 11 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, with reason to believe that such information so obtained could be used to the injury of the United States, or to the advantage of any foreign nation willfully communicates, delivers, transmits, or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it;
(2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains—
(A) information contained in a financial record of a financial institution, or of a card issuer as defined in section 1602 (n) [1] of title 15, or contained in a file of a consumer reporting agency on a consumer, as such terms are defined in the Fair Credit Reporting Act (15 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.);
(B) information from any department or agency of the United States; or
(C) information from any protected computer;


Now mind you, this is in the States. but the breach itself is the crime here, the criminality is only enhanced if they steal something, or use the information in a malicious way (blackmail for example).

and if they use fraud to access the wallet, beyond the technical expertise/ tools that are required to breach a system, then that is a unique crime as well.
member
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Hacking is not good and it is considered as stealing.
It is unlawful.
It is our duty to protect our own btc wallet
because if someone steals your btc government is not accountable of that.

sr. member
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Yes, invading the account of someone without his/her permission is a wrong practice that should not be tolerated. In this case all people caught by doing this such thing will punished by the government.
full member
Activity: 392
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Any theft of your personal information is a crime. But due to the fact that bitcoin is not officially recognized currency and is not the official price it will be very difficult to put a substantive claim. Therefore it is better to protect yourself beforehand. Now there are smartphones that catch someone's eye and automatically hide the app. Maybe this will help you?
hero member
Activity: 2268
Merit: 789
I'm not clear on this one point.  If somebody got a hold of my private key and moved funds from an address that I claimed on the ledger, is that against the law?  At what point could that be considered a crime?  For example, if they hacked into my machine and stolen the private key; if they sniped the pk while snooping on a public access connection; brute forced the pk into existence; or just plane snapped a shot of my qr code over my shoulder....ect  In which of those examples could I pursue prosecution for the theft of my coin?  

I think the answer primarily depends on the laws and regulations of the country that you are staying. The scenario given is very situational, yet intriguing since this things seem to happen commonly. To give you an example, to government agency of my country (Philippines) sees bitcoin as property, therefore being subject to hacking equates to stealing which is punishable under our penal laws. Though proving and getting the culprit might seem impossible, if proven guilt then the individual may face charges against him. Again, this is really dependent on the country that you are staying since some government agencies have their own agenda/perspective when it comes to bitcoin so you better check-it out first.
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