Is it illegal to purchase and use the Gift Cards, ie Starbucks, Steam?

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Quote from: pinkducky on August 05, 2015, 03:18:48 PM

Hi, I see that there are a lot of gift cards being sold for BTC, I can see $200 Starbucks gift card for $50 in BTC.

Not sure how they can sell at this amount, but if the cards are obtained fraudulently, and someone buy and use it, are the buyer held reliable?

I think selling of any Gift cards that used Hacked Credit cards are illegal but it's not the fault of buyer the seller will get arrested and not the buyer but i think the value of those cards will be gone or you will be double paid for it.
But if they will proved that you know that the card you buyed are from illegal i think they should arrest you especially if you buyed Bulk of Gift Cards because they will think that you will resell it into another buyers.

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Quote from: pinkducky on August 05, 2015, 03:18:48 PM

Hi, I see that there are a lot of gift cards being sold for BTC, I can see $200 Starbucks gift card for $50 in BTC.

Not sure how they can sell at this amount, but if the cards are obtained fraudulently, and someone buy and use it, are the buyer held reliable?

That is a shady deal i don't recommend you to involve much further or else. One thing also buying giftcards from person to person isn't illlegal even though they sell it for free. Stores only accept cash when buying gift card so that deal is probably scam

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Quote from: pinkducky on August 05, 2015, 03:18:48 PM

Hi, I see that there are a lot of gift cards being sold for BTC, I can see $200 Starbucks gift card for $50 in BTC.

Not sure how they can sell at this amount, but if the cards are obtained fraudulently, and someone buy and use it, are the buyer held reliable?

I haven't ever heard anyone getting arrested for using those cards. But you can always make up an excuse like you bought them off craigslist incase you are worried. Since so many cards are fraudulent ones, those big companies generally would likely never pursue you legally for using them.

It is correct however if you can avoid it then that is best option. May not be all discounted cards are stolen some one might need a urgent cash so one might me selling at discounted price also. Finding such offers are quite challenging

Establishments may not be so strict as to how the gift cards were obtained. There may be no liability for the seller or the buyer unless damage is made. They may have been bought at a very discounted price but there's no way for the establishment to know. Anyway, it's a 'gift' check so they may be overlooking or have not been giving it much strictness. It would be best to just avoid obtaining it fraudulently. The universe may have a funny way of getting back at you, and it may not be through arrest or re-possession of the card.

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I'm also interested on this?

Can I be held responsible legally for using discounted gift cards if it turns out they were stolen?

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Quote from: Don007 on August 23, 2015, 05:03:04 PM

Quote from: MF Doom on August 22, 2015, 04:13:06 PM

But one thing to keep in mind. If you do buy and use these you are supporting credit card fraud, plain and simple. If no one bought these, criminals wouldn't have an incentive to steal or buy stolen credit card info. Its that simple.

It is not that simple. Often when you buy such gift cards, you simply do not know whether they are legit or not. A seller can mention that they are legit, but they might be fraudently obtained. So, you don't decide to support credit card fraud in that situation.

Not all cards on this forum are illegal / fraudently obtained..

Again, I'm referring to the ones the OP mentioned, ie the people who have thousands of dollars worth of starbucks gc's and sell them for 75% off. No one is getting them legitimately and selling them at that price, that is a common sense situation where you can be assured they are fraudulently obtained.

But I take your point, I see other gift cards/merchandise credits on here/ebay that are probably just good deals, people trying to get some cash/btc rather than the gc. It one of those go with your gut situations I guess

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Quote from: MF Doom on August 22, 2015, 04:13:06 PM

But one thing to keep in mind. If you do buy and use these you are supporting credit card fraud, plain and simple. If no one bought these, criminals wouldn't have an incentive to steal or buy stolen credit card info. Its that simple.

It is not that simple. Often when you buy such gift cards, you simply do not know whether they are legit or not. A seller can mention that they are legit, but they might be fraudently obtained. So, you don't decide to support credit card fraud in that situation.

Not all cards on this forum are illegal / fraudently obtained..

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Quote from: LouisVuitton on August 19, 2015, 10:03:35 AM

Usually nothing will happen to you. Usually the company just removes the balance or suspends the accounts / cards. If you knowingly bought a stolen or illegally obtained card and you knew it was then yes you could possibly be charged with some type of crime.

Yes, but probably only if you did so repeatedly. I think they are more looking for the scammers selling the fraudulent cards.

But one thing to keep in mind. If you do buy and use these you are supporting credit card fraud, plain and simple. If no one bought these, criminals wouldn't have an incentive to steal or buy stolen credit card info. Its that simple.

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Quote from: LouisVuitton on August 19, 2015, 10:03:35 AM

Usually nothing will happen to you. Usually the company just removes the balance or suspends the accounts / cards. If you knowingly bought a stolen or illegally obtained card and you knew it was then yes you could possibly be charged with some type of crime.

That is what I wanted to say: usually nothing will happen to you except the fact that your balance will be deducted: if you have paid money for these illegal gift cards, you will thus loose your money.

I don't think the police will show up for this: I can't imagine that huge parties such as Amazon do have the time to track / trace down users who used a illegal gift card: in the end, they might not even be aware of this: they might have though that they were going to buy a legal gift card. However, I think exceptations apply for big scammers. For the small ones, I think you will only risk that the company will remove the balance from your account. I think it is quite easy for those companies to do that, so try not to buy (and use) illegal gift cards..

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Usually nothing will happen to you. Usually the company just removes the balance or suspends the accounts / cards. If you knowingly bought a stolen or illegally obtained card and you knew it was then yes you could possibly be charged with some type of crime.

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Quote from: eternalgloom on August 19, 2015, 05:29:09 AM

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Quote from: eternalgloom on August 17, 2015, 12:46:01 AM

OP's question is pretty interesting, I'd also like to know if I could get in any legal trouble for , say, using an fraudulent Amazon gift card to order something that's then sent to my address.
I mean, is it my responsibility to know if I'm buying a legitimate gift card or one that was obtained illegally?

I'm no legal expert, but if you are in possession of stolen goods, you can get in trouble. Do you really think the cops will give you the benefit of the doubt? No they will tell you they were obtained fraudulently, and probably nail you with something or other.

No, I haven't heard of anyone actually gettinng in trouble for using these, but its common sense. Anyone selling 1000's of dollars worth of gc's for pennies on the dollar is NOT getting them legitimately.

I don't think that's actually your responsability, how are you supposed to know if the person selling them has obtained them through fraudulent means.
Plus, I didn't say that I was talking about gift cards that sell for 50 - 75% of the value.

ok, I was referring to what the op was talking about, he mentioned getting gc's for 25% of their value. those are a no brainer.

But really it probably depends on the situation. If it was a one time thing, and you legitimately didn't know any better, they might let you off. But surely they will want to know how you got them (if you say some random guy on a forum that might raise suspicion...) but if it was say off ebay they will probably just warn you that these non-legit cards are out they so be careful

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Quote from: MF Doom on August 18, 2015, 12:19:23 PM

Quote from: eternalgloom on August 17, 2015, 12:46:01 AM

OP's question is pretty interesting, I'd also like to know if I could get in any legal trouble for , say, using an fraudulent Amazon gift card to order something that's then sent to my address.
I mean, is it my responsibility to know if I'm buying a legitimate gift card or one that was obtained illegally?

I'm no legal expert, but if you are in possession of stolen goods, you can get in trouble. Do you really think the cops will give you the benefit of the doubt? No they will tell you they were obtained fraudulently, and probably nail you with something or other.

No, I haven't heard of anyone actually gettinng in trouble for using these, but its common sense. Anyone selling 1000's of dollars worth of gc's for pennies on the dollar is NOT getting them legitimately.

I don't think that's actually your responsability, how are you supposed to know if the person selling them has obtained them through fraudulent means.
Plus, I didn't say that I was talking about gift cards that sell for 50 - 75% of the value.

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Quote from: eternalgloom on August 17, 2015, 12:46:01 AM

OP's question is pretty interesting, I'd also like to know if I could get in any legal trouble for , say, using an fraudulent Amazon gift card to order something that's then sent to my address.
I mean, is it my responsibility to know if I'm buying a legitimate gift card or one that was obtained illegally?

I'm no legal expert, but if you are in possession of stolen goods, you can get in trouble. Do you really think the cops will give you the benefit of the doubt? No they will tell you they were obtained fraudulently, and probably nail you with something or other.

No, I haven't heard of anyone actually gettinng in trouble for using these, but its common sense. Anyone selling 1000's of dollars worth of gc's for pennies on the dollar is NOT getting them legitimately.

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OP's question is pretty interesting, I'd also like to know if I could get in any legal trouble for , say, using an fraudulent Amazon gift card to order something that's then sent to my address.
I mean, is it my responsibility to know if I'm buying a legitimate gift card or one that was obtained illegally?

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Quote from: sherbyspark on August 05, 2015, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: pinkducky on August 05, 2015, 03:18:48 PM

Hi, I see that there are a lot of gift cards being sold for BTC, I can see $200 Starbucks gift card for $50 in BTC.

Not sure how they can sell at this amount, but if the cards are obtained fraudulently, and someone buy and use it, are the buyer held reliable?

I haven't ever heard anyone getting arrested for using those cards. But you can always make up an excuse like you bought them off craigslist incase you are worried. Since so many cards are fraudulent ones, those big companies generally would likely never pursue you legally for using them.

It is correct however if you can avoid it then that is best option. May not be all discounted cards are stolen some one might need a urgent cash so one might me selling at discounted price also. Finding such offers are quite challenging

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Quote from: Don007 on August 06, 2015, 12:26:27 PM

Quote from: luciann on August 05, 2015, 08:09:36 PM

1st of all, all those suppliers giving incredible low rates are all suppliers of a carded card.

Meaning the balance on those will not last long, and sure its "illegal" to purchase but whos looking over you? its why so many do it anyways.

Appearently the companies self are looking over you, as they most of the time find these illegal used gift card codes and deduct the balance. Then you've lost money instead you win a little bit. Just try and go for official ones Wink

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Recentely someone has shown me https://www.egifter.com/. Looks valid to me Wink

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Op already seems to be aware of carded gift cards and asked if he will be held responsible. Just to add I have spoken to someone who had an expired gift card while making a purchase and the company didn't ask any questions. They just told him the card is no longer valid or is blocked and to use another method of payment.

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Quote from: pinkducky on August 05, 2015, 08:00:55 PM

Quote from: Don007 on August 05, 2015, 05:03:45 PM

Just try to find legit codes over here. Yes, they're more expensive than fraudulent ones.

Buying more expensive ones doesn't necessary mean they are legit. A fraudulent person can sell them at 5% off and the code still be fraudulent.

What I wanted to know is am I liable for using one of those fraudulent card (not necessary brought here)

What I wanted to say is that if Gift Cards appear to good to be true (thus too cheap), it's likely a scam.

The topic I was referring to can be found here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10237157

I guess the balance will just be deducted as soon as they find out, and that's it. But ofcourse we're not sure. I suggest you not to be involved in those illegal activities.

Quote from: luciann on August 05, 2015, 08:09:36 PM

1st of all, all those suppliers giving incredible low rates are all suppliers of a carded card.

Meaning the balance on those will not last long, and sure its "illegal" to purchase but whos looking over you? its why so many do it anyways.

Appearently the companies self are looking over you, as they most of the time find these illegal used gift card codes and deduct the balance. Then you've lost money instead you win a little bit. Just try and go for official ones Wink

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Recentely someone has shown me https://www.egifter.com/. Looks valid to me Wink

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1st of all, all those suppliers giving incredible low rates are all suppliers of a carded card.

Meaning the balance on those will not last long, and sure its "illegal" to purchase but whos looking over you? its why so many do it anyways.

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Quote from: Don007 on August 05, 2015, 05:03:45 PM

Just try to find legit codes over here. Yes, they're more expensive than fraudulent ones.

Buying more expensive ones doesn't necessary mean they are legit. A fraudulent person can sell them at 5% off and the code still be fraudulent.

What I wanted to know is am I liable for using one of those fraudulent card (not necessary brought here)

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I've often wondered this as well, has anybody used any legal sites for exchanging BTC for gift cards? Any recommendations?

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If you are buying a Starbucks gift card for 75% off it's face value (or anything for 75% off it's face value), then it is almost certain that the gift card was somehow illegally obtained. I would avoid any seller offering this deep of a discount.

With that being said, there is a market for legally obtained gift cards as people will receive gift cards as gifts, as prizes or purchase gift cards they end up not being able to use and are generally willing to let them go for somewhat of a discount.

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