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Quote from: skarais on December 10, 2021, 12:18:51 PM

Account trading is allowed but not frowned upon and is also never good advice as the losses outweigh the gains. There have been many cases of trading bitcointalk account that ended in scam and there were also other cases that resulted in accounts being banned, being negatively tagged and so on due to the inability of new users to verify that the account they purchased was free from plagiarism and also changes in post quality.

OP, I really don't know about account sales being made on certain website outside of bitcointalk furum. Kinda curious how you found out when you're new here. Do you intend to do it?

Basically I am new in crypto industry . I am learning webdesigning and graphic design.
Before joined in this forum I saw a few videos on youtube about earning . Where I found Crypto related video about mining , airdrops and bounty and I signup here and I saw the rank level .

And seriously tell you something yes I have a little bit of intend before this posting this topic .
But I was also confused about trading bitcointalk accounts I search on the google for clear my confusions but it wasn't clear that . And that's why I created this topic to clear cut my confusions.

And now I know and understand about that . And about the risk of buying an account Wink

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Crypto Library, You can buy and sell your account, but listen to these people's advice that doesn't seem like a good thing to do.

Forum and forum users will never prevent you from gaining knowledge, merit system and rank up if you care about post quality. So when these people can help you get merit, rank up, and get the right knowledge when it comes to your personal development, then don't ever be interested in buying them. It's good that you have an interest in knowing the ethics of using forum properly because in my opinion trading account will only deceive themselves by hiding behind higher rank when your knowledge is not up to par.

You know, some users have already given you merit and this should be something that motivates you to post something high quality. You will soon reach Jr members when you have 30 activity already, so keep going and welcome in the forum bitcointak.org

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Account sales is more like exchanging personality/impersonation and it could be risky for people who would interact and maybe do business with such account, that's why account sellers and buyers more often than not always get a negative feedback, look at it this way, if we have a responsible user sell his account to someone who we can't be sure to be like the initial owner of the account, then that's very risky for other forum users, thus account sales may not be prohibited, but it is unacceptable by majority of users on the forum.

Also, earning merits on the forum signifies that the user is contributing in a quality way to discussions on the forum, thus when a user buys an account with the merit therein, it is unethical and not a product of hardwork, and that's why such short cuts aren't allowed and users are encouraged to grow their accounts in the right way possible.

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Account trading is allowed but not frowned upon and is also never good advice as the losses outweigh the gains. There have been many cases of trading bitcointalk account that ended in scam and there were also other cases that resulted in accounts being banned, being negatively tagged and so on due to the inability of new users to verify that the account they purchased was free from plagiarism and also changes in post quality.

OP, I really don't know about account sales being made on certain website outside of bitcointalk furum. Kinda curious how you found out when you're new here. Do you intend to do it?

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No one will prevent you to buy, sell or trade bitcointalk accounts but it is frowned upon doing so. I suggest you that you don't buy an account not that I don't want you to have a higher rank account but as an advise. Advantage of buying an account is that you don't have to make lots of effort to rank up or in short easy rank up. The disadvantage is, it is higher chance of getting red trusted or the seller will report the account as hacked, stolen or reported as a fraudulent user.

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Quote from: Blank-Head on December 09, 2021, 09:03:58 AM

Selling Bitcointalk accounts should be prohibited.Even I don't know why people are trying to buy Bitcointalk accounts from scammer.

But how would we know for certain an account was sold? For example, if IP is used to determine, it's possible the account is hacked or the user decide to use VPN.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on December 10, 2021, 02:51:15 AM

What account traders likely don’t have easy access to, I figure, are Merits. Although they too get traded in some of those backchannel sites, the amount one can obtain, I guess, is pretty small, with perhaps some unseen exceptions.

And usually it's rather expensive. IIRC i saw member who share screenshot a merit is sold for $10.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on December 10, 2021, 02:51:15 AM

What account traders likely don’t have easy access to, I figure, are Merits. Although they too get traded in some of those backchannel sites, the amount one can obtain, I guess, is pretty small, with perhaps some unseen exceptions.

I’m not sure if the Merit requirement for campaigns is only looked at during enrolment, or whether Campaign Managers look at it more regularly for longer lasting campaigns at least. Were the requirements based on a moving window, the Merit bar would effectively be more difficult to meet in general terms, but likely even more so for traded accounts.

It is likely though, that traded accounts opt mostly for the lower-end type campaigns, where merit requirements are small (or even non-existent), being the better paid campaigns out of their reach.

As far as I have seen, signature managers paid in bitcoins sometimes require a minimum of 5 merit received in the last six months. And of course, you can track which posts this minimum was received, from whom and in what period. Therefore, it will not be difficult for managers to understand what kind of account they are going to take into their company.
But as far as the bounty is concerned, no merit is required to participate. Therefore, it is there that purchased accounts are in demand. After all, it's not at all difficult to buy yourself a new account in the event of a ban or receiving a negative tag.
It has been discussed many times that a good obstacle to cheating would be the rule of having a certain amount of merit to participate in the bounty.

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What account traders likely don’t have easy access to, I figure, are Merits. Although they too get traded in some of those backchannel sites, the amount one can obtain, I guess, is pretty small, with perhaps some unseen exceptions.

I’m not sure if the Merit requirement for campaigns is only looked at during enrolment, or whether Campaign Managers look at it more regularly for longer lasting campaigns at least. Were the requirements based on a moving window, the Merit bar would effectively be more difficult to meet in general terms, but likely even more so for traded accounts.

It is likely though, that traded accounts opt mostly for the lower-end type campaigns, where merit requirements are small (or even non-existent), being the better paid campaigns out of their reach.

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Someone at one time created thousands of accounts and put them on regular sale. Sometimes you can meet newcomers with a registration date of 2016 and their excuses that they were on the forum a long time ago, and then forgot about it, and so on. Although, it's not hard to guess that they own the purchased account. And how many accounts we see from bumping services, also most likely purchased cheap newbies. And of course, most often all purchased accounts will have one bad fate, this is either a ban or a negative tag. But the fact that buyers are helping to grow someone's business of selling accounts cannot be denied.
And while there is a demand for such accounts, there will be supply.

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Quote from: Blank-Head on December 09, 2021, 09:03:58 AM

Selling Bitcointalk accounts should be prohibited.Even I don't know why people are trying to buy Bitcointalk accounts from scammer.
Because now its very easy to rank up any account by posting useful and by helping others.
Don't go for trading Bitcointalk accounts at all.

Prohibiting account sales won't stop that. One would just use a different platform for selling the same accounts. And then why invest time and energy in prohibiting/banning that?
I find the current state of things just fine: allowed, but discouraged.

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Selling Bitcointalk accounts should be prohibited.Even I don't know why people are trying to buy Bitcointalk accounts from scammer.
Because now its very easy to rank up any account by posting useful and by helping others.
Don't go for trading Bitcointalk accounts at all.

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If you don't have shady plans, it is best to start with a newbie account and rank up with merit system by making good posts & contribution.

If you are representative account of a company and have demand to make posts with images, you can buy Copper membership to get both Whitelisting and be able to display images.

Buying or selling account is not prohibited but discouraged. Because most of bought accounts are use to spam in bounties or to scam with new projects.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 08, 2021, 12:01:53 PM

The forum rules do not prevent you to trade or buy/selling an account. But is highly discouraged by the forum and by the community. Some DT members would tag sold accounts then the account wouldn't be useful for why you are buying.

If the forum doesn't prevent it then there's nothing wrong. I think they should change that into total prohibition since DT members discovered it tagging them so it's not make sense anyway.

Maybe theymos should change that completely, since the norm already denying that in terms of actions of the community. If its not prohibited then, those who are buying and selling aren't supposed to have some negative since they aren't breaking any rules. Verbal belief is good but this must be put in writings. Discourage isn't the right term for this in my opinion.

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You can find the answer to your question in the Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules topic.
I'll quote the relevant part here. Although, I recommend all newbies to take the time and read it all:

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

There is really no legit reason why someone would want to buy high ranking accounts as long as the copper membership exists other than using them to scam or abuse bounties/sig campaigns.
Welcome to the forum, BTW.

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Quote from: Crypto Library on December 08, 2021, 12:44:34 PM

Thanks for your information . Actually I am new at this platform that's why I'm just asking this question for clear my confusions about this topic and learn more information .

As you can understand, trading accounts is not prohibited.
Even if everything goes fine it is very difficult, especially for a beginner, to check the quality and validity of the account. For example, you can buy an account, but it can easily be banned for some plagiarism from the past.
that would be wasted money and certainly not recommended to do.

Except for signature campaigns because of the higher payment rate, there are no more important gains in relation to lower ranks. Also, it's very easy to be a jr. member with which you can access each campaign.
In regular discussion, lower-ranked members are not in a subordinate position until they write nonsense.

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Quote from: Crypto Library on December 08, 2021, 12:44:34 PM

Thanks for your information . Actually I am new at this platform that's why I'm just asking this question for clear my confusions about this topic and learn more information .

That's okay, welcome to the forum regardless.
Those accounts being sold are going to be caught anyway at some point. Not sure how PlayerUp works as I am a no-no for any sorts of account buying/selling regardless of what platform it is even in video games, but I suspect that most of those are just scams.

I didn't expected someone trying to sell account in Pinterest, lol.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 08, 2021, 12:01:53 PM

The forum rules do not prevent you to trade or buy/selling an account. But is highly discouraged by the forum and by the community. Some DT members would tag sold accounts then the account wouldn't be useful for why you are buying. Most people buy accounts to take quick entry in the signature campaign, but if the sold account gets the tag from DT members, then it will just be useless and only can participate in the discussion.

Just for your information, most of the sold accounts discovering eventually and getting the tag. So it's not very easy to use sold account. Just build your account from the ground and learn.

Thanks for your information . Actually I am new at this platform that's why I'm just asking this question for clear my confusions about this topic and learn more information .

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It was recently discussed here: Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break, which could serve to see different opinions on the matter (this is my particular intake on the matter: Re: Bitcointalk Rules..Bend/Break ).

In short, you can, but read through the above thread to see some conceptual associated fine print, both from the ethical point of view and the practical on if caught (by some).

Reading through some of the links provided in the OP, I particularly like the degree of professionalism that some people take on:

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I have an automated system, you pay in Bitcoin & download login credentials instantly

Or the degree of creativity BS:

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Q)why does your account show high risk. and you give no info regarding merit and point of the accounts?

A) Well, I have not conduct any deal yet, so probably this is the reason for having HIGH RISK claim I guess. <…>

Or their farming capability:

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After more than 60 accounts sold on , I will start to sell again some Sr. and Hero accounts for bitcointalk.

A couple of them have enough info. to actually see which accounts they are on about, although you never know if the data is just for show and the account is not really theirs to begin with.

With a bit of luck, it should turn out to be a bad deal for both parties.

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The forum rules do not prevent you to trade or buy/selling an account. But is highly discouraged by the forum and by the community. Some DT members would tag sold accounts then the account wouldn't be useful for why you are buying. Most people buy accounts to take quick entry in the signature campaign, but if the sold account gets the tag from DT members, then it will just be useless and only can participate in the discussion.

Just for your information, most of the sold accounts discovering eventually and getting the tag. So it's not very easy to use sold account. Just build your account from the ground and learn.

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I saw many websites they are trading bitcointalk accounts.
example:
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I just wanna know that, is it legal to do in this forum ?!
I hope this questions answer could me to know about this related informations and others like me(Newbie)

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