Sometimes BM is in dark and do not really know if the project is scam or not, negative trust should be issued only if it is proven that BM made aware of the situation and he/she decided to ignore it and continue .
As for participants , the same thing should apply , even tho they have less responsibilities than BM because of the nature of the relation between BM and project owners ( They can easily reach owners and ask questions while participants really can't ) but still if the project proved to be scam and participants made aware of it and they continue promoting it then negative trust should be granted .
All this is good but you have no way to prove that BM knew about the scam, so I do not thing any negative trust should be given unless there is prove that BM got warned about the project and decided to continue and ignore the warning .
Topic: Is it legal to give a negative trust to a 'BM' who ended a scam project? (Read 361 times)
June 21, 2018, 05:34:29 PM
June 21, 2018, 02:35:11 PM
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!![/b]
Less concerned about the scam? seriously? This suggestion is for the good for the good. If we can give a negative trust to the BM then the percentage of wannabe BM will lessen and the most experienced and have the knowledge will remain because they are protecting their name and reputation. Don't be hypocrite, we are participating bounties because we want to earn. I know those BM didn't force us to join their project and I know that the bounty we join that ended up in to a scam can't be blame all to them it is because both parties has a lack of evaluation of the project they joined.
Let me ask you this, What will happen if the scam project will continue? Do you think it will not affect to lessen an investors? Do you think scam project is healthy in our world? If that will continue and increase the volume maybe the ICO will have a hard time after that Ico will be gone.
Scam project cannot be determined from that start, it is noticeable at middle of the project. After you already invested your time and effort.
Now you are making some sense but still you are not moving ahead of bounty, My bounty time and effort ,signature design etc is nothing if you compare it to the investor money. In which single investor is spending in thousands of Dollars.
Ironically, The project for which I am doing signature bounty turned scam today.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/arbitao-is-100-a-scam-4486941
What did BM yahoo62278 did as below:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4467190.280 Actually I just spent half my night grading their campaign early and closing it. I was made aware of all this yesterday by Marlboroza and was keeping up with this thread as well as their ANN thread. Seems like the team decided not to answer the questions asked by Gleb, Suchmoon, and Marlboroza as well as others.
Rather then take the risk and keep their campaign open, it is now closed.
Rather then take the risk and keep their campaign open, it is now closed.
Should I now be unhappy with yahoo and ask negative trust for him? or should I be more happy that it is caught.
Person who caught it is just a vigilant member. (and others involved in gathering evidence.)
I expect same with every forum member if they smell scam inform everyone. Same for Bounty Manager , if he come to know that project is scam,close the project at once.
Asking for Negative trust for BM is not a solution unless you get the proof BM is involved in scam too, or BM is still promoting the project even the project is proved scam.
June 21, 2018, 12:08:40 PM
Lol. Most times, them bounty managers don't know or they're just too lazy to do their research very well before accepting to mange such campaign. I'm not and won't ever be of the opinion that the mangers should be given a negative trust because if the bounty participants weren't too lazy on their own part as well, they could have avoided such campaign as well. So let the sleeping dog lie and always DYOR before joining any campaign.
June 21, 2018, 11:57:34 AM
You should edit the title. Asking if this is legal or not is not members here can answer.
Scam done on this forum can be under legal jurisdiction but I doubt that the staff will help you till get they legal corrections. And , is it worth the effort to take legal route for small bounty amount ? You can however, post them about in reputation or scam accusations with proper proof. It will help other members avoid their campaigns in future.
Scam done on this forum can be under legal jurisdiction but I doubt that the staff will help you till get they legal corrections. And , is it worth the effort to take legal route for small bounty amount ? You can however, post them about in reputation or scam accusations with proper proof. It will help other members avoid their campaigns in future.
June 21, 2018, 11:15:10 AM
To admins, high rank members and members,
We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap rather than ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap rather than ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
Don't promote scams.
Don't promote anything if you can't tell the difference.
Problem solved.
June 21, 2018, 06:41:13 AM
If the Bounty Manager knew that the project is scam and still promoted it than they deserve a negative trust.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
How come that the bounty participant deserve to have a negative trust by participating a scam project? In the first place, participant give their trust on the bounty managers, second, bounty managers must examine their project carefully by conducting a verification on the team members of that project before accepting it and lastly, bounty participant didn't get paid by promoting a scam project.
Why the hell participants are closing their eyes in evaluating the project and only Bounty manager is responsible for the scam projects.
If participant know it is a scam project , participant should make aware BM that project looks scam and give time to BM to respond or abandon the project.
If participant concerns are valid and BM is not responding or co operating then participant should immediately leave the project and open a scam accusation against BM and let the community decide then.
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!![/b]
@OP , Look like you are less concerned about scam , more about your Bounty payment.
Less concerned about the scam? seriously? This suggestion is for the good for the good. If we can give a negative trust to the BM then the percentage of wannabe BM will lessen and the most experienced and have the knowledge will remain because they are protecting their name and reputation. Don't be hypocrite, we are participating bounties because we want to earn. I know those BM didn't force us to join their project and I know that the bounty we join that ended up in to a scam can't be blame all to them it is because both parties has a lack of evaluation of the project they joined.
Let me ask you this, What will happen if the scam project will continue? Do you think it will not affect to lessen an investors? Do you think scam project is healthy in our world? If that will continue and increase the volume maybe the ICO will have a hard time after that Ico will be gone.
Scam project cannot be determined from that start, it is noticeable at middle of the project. After you already invested your time and effort.
June 21, 2018, 06:07:58 AM
If the Bounty Manager knew that the project is scam and still promoted it than they deserve a negative trust.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
This statement maybe right but Im against with it, heres the logic (if there is no careless people there will be no thieves).
The root must be killed in order to end those evil things or what we call scam.
June 21, 2018, 03:19:17 AM
If the Bounty Manager knew that the project is scam and still promoted it than they deserve a negative trust.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
How come that the bounty participant deserve to have a negative trust by participating a scam project? In the first place, participant give their trust on the bounty managers, second, bounty managers must examine their project carefully by conducting a verification on the team members of that project before accepting it and lastly, bounty participant didn't get paid by promoting a scam project.
Why the hell participants are closing their eyes in evaluating the project and only Bounty manager is responsible for the scam projects.
If participant know it is a scam project , participant should make aware BM that project looks scam and give time to BM to respond or abandon the project.
If participant concerns are valid and BM is not responding or co operating then participant should immediately leave the project and open a scam accusation against BM and let the community decide then.
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!![/b]
@OP , Look like you are less concerned about scam , more about your Bounty payment.
If you don't want your effort in vain then don't trust the bounty managers blindly do your own research.I don't think the bounty manager deserves negative trust unless if they support that project after found that it was scam.Recently one of the reputed manager of our community aTriz got negative trust because he try still support the bounty team even after found that it was fake details provided by them.But bounty managers are also working to get paid so if he deserves then the participants also deserves the negative trust.
June 21, 2018, 02:34:46 AM
If the Bounty Manager knew that the project is scam and still promoted it than they deserve a negative trust.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
How come that the bounty participant deserve to have a negative trust by participating a scam project? In the first place, participant give their trust on the bounty managers, second, bounty managers must examine their project carefully by conducting a verification on the team members of that project before accepting it and lastly, bounty participant didn't get paid by promoting a scam project.
Why the hell participants are closing their eyes in evaluating the project and only Bounty manager is responsible for the scam projects.
If participant know it is a scam project , participant should make aware BM that project looks scam and give time to BM to respond or abandon the project.
If participant concerns are valid and BM is not responding or co operating then participant should immediately leave the project and open a scam accusation against BM and let the community decide then.
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!![/b]
@OP , Look like you are less concerned about scam , more about your Bounty payment.
June 20, 2018, 02:30:31 PM
SCAM project is a new hot issue right now since it is not only harm bounty hunter and bounty manager but also to crypto space widely by reducing trust from people around the world to this crypto. For discovering a project whether scam or not, it is our obligation as crypto community including bounty manager and bounty hunters. However, there is a dedicated person/team who is seeking and investigating the project from scam to be announced further. Here is the website: https://icoethics.com/ and here is the profile on bct: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/icoethics-2204241.
So if there is known suspicious ICO project in early, just tell them for further investigation to save crypto space and keep ICO as a clean environment from scam.
So if there is known suspicious ICO project in early, just tell them for further investigation to save crypto space and keep ICO as a clean environment from scam.
June 18, 2018, 06:42:52 AM
If the Bounty Manager knew that the project is scam and still promoted it than they deserve a negative trust.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
I agree with you, mostly bounty manager is the employee who earns the salary so as soon he/she gets his money he writes answers in TG, here but when scam ICO's show the real face and stop paying him he abandons the project (by the way it's the sign of scam bounty).
So BM usually have the same information as bounty hunters, if he is in the team i vote for to make list of scammers.
June 18, 2018, 05:40:30 AM
To admins, high rank members and members,
We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap rather than ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap rather than ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
I agree with you, we should have some kind of privileges to give, to some bounty managers that are guilty of conspiring with some scam devs team only if they are proven guilty of doing such loathsome deeds. If they are guilty of such wrongdoing negative trusts are not enough as a punishment they should be kicked out and banned on this forum forever. On the other hand, we couldn't also deny the fact that, lots of bounty managers are also innocent of such awful deeds and just doing their job in good faith. I think they should practice due diligence also to at least lessen the possibility of getting scammy projects and not just for the sake of making money the quickest possible time.
June 17, 2018, 10:53:08 PM
To admins, high rank members and members,
We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap but ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
This is a great idea to lessen or prevent those Scam project in which the BM is conniving specially these days to where Scams are rampantly spreading like Cancer on the Society!We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap but ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
Some BM and Team did simple scamming by changing the rules to make it complicated for the Bounty campaign workers nor being very strict without taking a consideration even for single digit typographic error! So let me add those below mentioned..
NO TO SCAM BOUNTY MANAGERS AND TEAM!!
EFFORT AND HARD WORKS ARE MUCH VALUABLE THAN PENNY
June 17, 2018, 10:50:41 PM
To admins, high rank members and members,
We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap but ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
Yes, It is Bounty Managers duty to distinguish the project if it is a SCAM or not. But i dont agree on giving all users right to apply a negative trust because it can be used in bad way. I think what you can do to prevent on Joining in SCAM projects, is doing a research on that project, know the Team. Reading their WP will also give you a lot of info you need. Be meticoulous. We should have the right to give negative trust to a bounty managers or rate their records. This must be the answer to prevent wasting our time and efforts. In that case this will push them to examine their project carefully before they're going to post their thread here. Or else they will put their name on shame. As what I had experienced as a newbie member here, I had wasted so much time and efforts creating and sharing those project just to promote them but it ended up on nothing. I like what I'm doing but it is very stressful when you ended up on nothing! Maybe some of the Bounty manager here really know from the beginning that their project was really a scam but because of the shares they will have they intended to make a newbie account or use their secondary account just to make money through scamming. For me it is acceptable if the project ended on not reaching their soft cap but ended up on a scam project that's hurt a lot!
NO TO SCAM PROJECT!!
PREVENT A SCAM PROJECT!!!
NEWBIE MUST NOT PUT THEIR EFFORT IN VAIN!!!!
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June 17, 2018, 10:26:02 PM
Bounty managers and bounty hunters are on the same page. Bounty managers are nothing but the head of a bounty program while the hunters are the body of the program.
They are both promoting the project.
They are both getting paid in tokens or maybe fiat.
Only difference is managers are getting paid more, because they are doing more.
Please take note that I am also a bounty manager. But I am not saying this because I am one.
Even if I am not a bounty manager, my opinion would be the same.
Bounty managers promote to bounty hunters.
Bounty hunters promote to investors.
If bounty managers are to be blamed for something out of their control, then put yourself in prison for a murder that happened halfway across the globe.
If managers are required to check and verify the project, so are the hunters.
PS
Feel free to merit this comment.
They are both promoting the project.
They are both getting paid in tokens or maybe fiat.
Only difference is managers are getting paid more, because they are doing more.
Please take note that I am also a bounty manager. But I am not saying this because I am one.
Even if I am not a bounty manager, my opinion would be the same.
Bounty managers promote to bounty hunters.
Bounty hunters promote to investors.
If bounty managers are to be blamed for something out of their control, then put yourself in prison for a murder that happened halfway across the globe.
If managers are required to check and verify the project, so are the hunters.
PS
Feel free to merit this comment.
June 17, 2018, 10:21:53 PM
I think its unfair to gave a negative trust to a BM when he is just managing that campaign in this forum and hoping a reward from the project just like us, not a team from the project or DEV. However if the manager already knows its a scam but still promotes then he deserved a red trust or if he is a part of the scam project, well he has no other purpose but to scam
June 17, 2018, 10:05:33 PM
If the Bounty Manager knew that the project is scam and still promoted it than they deserve a negative trust.
But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
Seems logical. Red trusting a bounty manager without any proof that he pushed through the campaign knowing that it's a scam is illogical (once). But if the campaigns he always promote turns out to be a scam, i think it's logical.But if they didn't knew about that, they are no different from bounty participants as they get paid to advertise.
If bounty manager are to be given negative trust for working on a scam project, bounty participants too deserve one as they too promote for payment.
Besides, joining a campaign is decided by the bounty hunter himself. If it turns out to be a scam, too bad, he didn't researched about the project thoroughly.
June 17, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
I don't think so that bounty managers know that project is scam from the very start. They might have checked the background of Development if it is credible or not but still it all depends on how the ICO would turn out. Bounty Managers are hired workers as well who want to have a decent earnings from their decent work, or maybe should give those managers who are not doing their job done properly. But putting the blame on them on why the project turn into scam is not a good thing. AND I guess they would not put their reputation and names at risk.
June 17, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
It depends on the situation mate, some campaign managers really don't know that the project that they managed is a scam. But if the campaign manager knows that the project is a scam since then and it's proven, they really deserves to be given a negative trust from DT members.
It is their duty to examine and verify if the team members of that project is really exist. Bounty participant don't have the right to conduct a KYC procedure.
June 17, 2018, 09:32:14 PM
I agree. I met a lot of fraudulent projects. I need tools to evaluate the bounty manager
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