Topic: Is it Merit abuse? (Read 661 times)
As I understand sending any amount of merits to any account is not a problem any more? Nobody will be tagged for that?
so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately.
I can imagine it's very hard for you to lose your bounty rewards because you are using the wallet of another person. 
Or you received double rewards because someone else used your wallet?
You are lucky that you only received 1 tag from DT.
so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately.
hisori posted the address in April, you posted it in August, so are you saying that you're trying to frame hisori?
so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately.
Interesting. Then I guess you happen to mistakenly send merit to
Fool someone else. Its clear to me and I am obviously not gonna bend my feedback over your rants/cries/or begging for mercy that I am expecting in the PM's by your other alts.
so this is how the justice works here, if i want to have a negative red trust to someone that i dont like or envy or whatever, i may just copy their eth address and boom, red trust immediately.
Nice catch, do we know where hisori posted this ETH address and can we archive the post?
I'm away right now but I can look into it later.
I'm away right now but I can look into it later.
Sorry that I forgot to quote CaptainLance's report again above. There you go:
Username: fakegurutu
ETH ADDRESS: 0xac454c2e083706f7b85fd5f4ea0748c24c5f8369 | Staked Here | http://archive.is/vdmRO
0x5912b6fdc8ac4015d11456aac786db92fcdfb800 | Staked Here | http://archive.is/d3OlD
Username: kaya11
ETH Address: 0xa79d58b3e4566e57526e40d0844290580b325872 | Staked here | http://archive.is/PkE9l
Connection:
Code:
https://ethplorer.io/tx/0x26d76f32db5e8cdb208c6ecd9ebb55a37d9b2cfb024c24cfcb653b59420bdc9c
Username: hisori
ETH Address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66 | Staked here | http://archive.is/ARSNg
Connection:
Code:
https://ethplorer.io/tx/0x418e80cd4239022092d62498f9db8daf2e6a8aec36a1d0233ef038f801ff3b7f
I am still looking for solid connection between kaya11 and this ring.
Nice catch, do we know where hisori posted this ETH address and can we archive the post?
I'm away right now but I can look into it later.
I'm away right now but I can look into it later.
Well apparently there are more than 1-2 count so it really seems to me that they are most likely alts now.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but if you looked at how many times I've sent bitcoin to one of gameristo's wallets you might suspect we're alt accounts--but we're not. I wouldn't discount the possibility that a lot of deals are being done off-forum, and I've been tricked by that before when tagging bounty abusers. On the other hand, when you've got merit-swapping happening on top of the money being sent, that might be more conclusive as to whether two (or more) accounts are alts--but even then, they could be friends or family and not a single individual.I don't think it's right to give merit to someone just because they're your friend or family member, but I wouldn't tag a person for doing that. If you've got someone in a bounty/campaign who's doing it and you're the manager, you might think twice about letting those accounts participate. We've all seen cases of bounty abuse and we know it happens. What you do depends on how much you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
True. I was kinda swinging between whether I should tag these. But what you said is fair point and I wouldn't tag unless there is a solid proof. Thanks for the opinion.
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Yes, but as you wrote we haven't found transactions between Fakegurutu and sham100899,
If we consider others accounts the story is different.
Sadly I'm really busy these weeks and I haven't a lot of time.
Aren't sham100899 and hisori connected? Would like to know how story will be different.
Anyway I am back to digging
Found ya!!!!
What about this:
#Proof of authentication
Joined: Twitter, Telegram
Bitcointalk Username: fakegurutu
Twitter link: https://twitter.com/MeilTweet
Telegram Username: @fakegurutu
Eth address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66
Joined: Twitter, Telegram
Bitcointalk Username: fakegurutu
Twitter link: https://twitter.com/MeilTweet
Telegram Username: @fakegurutu
Eth address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66
Archived: http://archive.fo/NpLk7
I guess this is a solid proof isn't it as same eth address was used by hisori as according to CaptainLance report quoted by me in the first page of this thread
Edit: Second instance where is found using the same wallet again
Proof of joined post
Bitcointalk username: fakegurutu
Campaign in which you participate:
Joined Twitter Campaign
Twitter URL: https://twitter.com/MeilTweet
Joined Facebook Campaign
Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010329941674
Telegram Username: @fakegurutu
ETH address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66
Bitcointalk username: fakegurutu
Campaign in which you participate:
Joined Twitter Campaign
Twitter URL: https://twitter.com/MeilTweet
Joined Facebook Campaign
Facebook URL: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100010329941674
Telegram Username: @fakegurutu
ETH address: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66
Archived: http://archive.is/Dw4qH
What you do depends on how much you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I agree, until we haven't a real proof it's not justified to give a tag and I didn't tagged fakegurutu yet. When the Merit system was introduced most people just tried how to use it and didn't know that they can run into problems. Another thing are their posts back-to-back in the same signature campaign and editing them both 30 minutes later.
Sadly I'm really busy these weeks and I haven't a lot of time.
No problem, thanks everyone to look into it so far. 
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Yes, but as you wrote we haven't found transactions between Fakegurutu and sham100899,
If we consider others accounts the story is different.
Sadly I'm really busy these weeks and I haven't a lot of time.
Well apparently there are more than 1-2 count so it really seems to me that they are most likely alts now.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but if you looked at how many times I've sent bitcoin to one of gameristo's wallets you might suspect we're alt accounts--but we're not. I wouldn't discount the possibility that a lot of deals are being done off-forum, and I've been tricked by that before when tagging bounty abusers. On the other hand, when you've got merit-swapping happening on top of the money being sent, that might be more conclusive as to whether two (or more) accounts are alts--but even then, they could be friends or family and not a single individual.I don't think it's right to give merit to someone just because they're your friend or family member, but I wouldn't tag a person for doing that. If you've got someone in a bounty/campaign who's doing it and you're the manager, you might think twice about letting those accounts participate. We've all seen cases of bounty abuse and we know it happens. What you do depends on how much you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I've looked yesterday on sham100899 and fakegurutu ETH, I found nothing suspicious at first view, let me check again.
Here are some to look at
Fakegurutu: 0xac454c2e083706f7b85fd5f4ea0748c24c5f8369
kaya11: 0xE8A675bc39dB29345FEb7B27d502b2EEa324395c
Transactions
Last page: https://etherscan.io/txs?a=0xa79d58b3e4566e57526e40d0844290580b325872&p=3 has 15 transactions including outgoing and incoming transactions between 0xac454c2e083706f7b85fd5f4ea0748c24c5f8369 and 0xE8A675bc39dB29345FEb7B27d502b2EEa324395c
And 0xE8A675bc39dB29345FEb7B27d502b2EEa324395c was used by kaya11 (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kaya11-1154250) here : http://archive.is/i7GGS
Fakegurutu: 0x5912b6fdc8ac4015d11456aac786db92fcdfb800
hisori: 0x80A8D0DDF75231A04F60B8CbA67802d0815BEF66
Transactions:
I found out 18 token transfers b/w these addresses. Page: https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x80a8d0ddf75231a04f60b8cba67802d0815bef66&p=1
And 1 normal eth transaction of 0.002 ETH (probably a transaction to move tokens to other addresses or exchange- activity that I have usually seen in bounty abusers)
Solid prof, tagged. Let's see if we can find more on this farm.
I've looked yesterday on sham100899 and fakegurutu ETH, I found nothing suspicious at first view between them, let me check again.
How do you guys view them if they are dealing frequent transactions amongst themselves? Need your opinion actually.
Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori.
A few transactions (1 or 2) are in my opinion not enough evidence to connect accounts, but when more coincidences appear, the evidence will become clearer. Coinlocket$ does analysis of ETH transactions maybe he can give his opinion about abuse. Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori.
Well apparently there are more than 1-2 count so it really seems to me that they are most likely alts now.
Yeah coinlocket$ opinion would be of some help in this matter.
Yeah that's true, but seeing how they act I don't think they are alts. They are friends or members of the same community.
At least hisori and sham100899 are alts, they are using the same BTC address 3PJdNRCtsd2jfY82JunoCz5vYC8nLj2dtv several times: hisori: http://archive.is/CQJck
sham100899: http://archive.is/KTidw
Therefore, I have only tagged hisori and sham100899 yet, not sure about the connection of fakegurutu. It's a clear circle of sending Merit between them and it wouldn't surprise me if they get tagged.
And the report from CaptainLance is also pointing out a connection between those accounts.
How do you guys view them if they are dealing frequent transactions amongst themselves? Need your opinion actually.
Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori.
A few transactions (1 or 2) are in my opinion not enough evidence to connect accounts, but when more coincidences appear, the evidence will become clearer. Coinlocket$ does analysis of ETH transactions maybe he can give his opinion about abuse. Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori.
How do you guys view them if they are dealing frequent transactions amongst themselves? Need your opinion actually.
Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori.
Right now I have fakegurtu dealing frequently with kaya11's old address and some token transactions with hisori.
They are friends or members of the same community.
I agree with it only about 25% rest 75% they are alter. Experienced merit abuser detector will be able to judge properly what that actually should be. 
As I said before they might be friends, locals have a lot of common trade groups on telegram
Can be but it's hard to be since they posts and EDIT posts basically at the same time.
While 2 or more post can be posted in a short distance of time, I find harder to edit 2 posts on the same thread in a few minutes.
Yeah that's true, but seeing how they act I don't think they are alts. They are friends or members of the same community.
And now seriously..if they were smart enough they could've used different addresses, i still find amazing how some people are using the same addresses.
Most of the reported cases I don't find them as being the same person, I just see them as being stupid as fuck.
As I said before they might be friends, locals have a lot of common trade groups on telegram
Can be but it's hard to be since they posts and EDIT posts basically at the same time.
While 2 or more post can be posted in a short distance of time, I find harder to edit 2 posts on the same thread in a few minutes.
As I said before they might be friends, locals have a lot of common trade groups on telegram
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