Is it morally right for beggars to gamble?

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Now we know why they are still beggars, they are so addicted to easily made money which they did not work hard for. There is no reason that is enough to justify beggars for gambling. A beggar who gambles is a lazy and irresponsible. Since their major aim of gambling is to make money, there are chances that they will be investing all the money they are making from begging into gambling. It becomes even worse if they are losing so much and chasing losses. Begging to sustain their gambling desires is the most miserable lifestyle I can imagine right now.

The dangerous thing is that if a beggar is already addicted to gambling, he becomes ambitious to continue gambling and is very passionate, he will certainly commit crimes to get anything in order to get money to gamble, not a few people commit criminal acts to get money to finance his gambling.

The poor are not fit to gamble when it comes to morals and logic especially for someone who understands finance, and the beggar makes money by gambling, it will not find a decent thought for a person to do gambling when he does not know what he will eat tomorrow.

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This is quite interesting because there are a lot of statements that say that “gambling was created for rich people to have fun with their money” which triggers that there is no feasibility for someone who has financial difficulties to gamble, so that logic is not wrong in my opinion, because it may be true.

But also we can't deny that someone might be looking for happiness in gambling, and are poor people not allowed to be happy in gambling? of course that's not the mindset either, something that we need to understand in a context that might make us enough to take a middle ground, anyone is allowed to gamble, for whatever reason he gambles and regardless of his condition, is his own responsibility. Grin

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

This is what gambling turns people into, it can turn someone that's financially independent to be a beggar. Sometimes I just scout the comment section on msport aviator and see a lot of people begging there, it all started when they lost everything they had in gambling. Helping such people is a waste of time because no matter how much you give them they will lose everything, They can't utilize the resources that gets into their hands because of this addiction. when you meet people like this giving them money isn't the solution to their problems

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Once the money you gave them is in their possession, they can do whatever they want with it, regardless of whatever moral objection you may have towards those people using that money to gamble or to buy illegal substances to consume, now without a doubt it is a mistake to use their limited funds in something that does not bring them an immediate and key benefit, but at the same time we must not forget that a person does not become a beggar out of nowhere, and that in order to get to that state a person needs to have a lot of problems they cannot solve on their own.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

have you ever hard an encounter with a drug addict who after you've given him money uses it to smoke immediately he receives the money? Note that before a begger collects money from a stranger and immediately uses it to gamble, it's likely that he has gamble himself into being totally broke and resort to begging to sponsor his gambling or he is mentally unstable and uses his money on whatever enters his mind after someone gives him the money.

If I ever give a begger money and he uses it for the purpose of gambling, I'm never giving him any dime again. Sometimes we're too fucosed on advocating that a gambler needs to be up to 18 years before he should be allowed to gamble without talking of other factors like being mentaly stanble and having a good source of income. If anyone can't at least provide for himself and have the spair money for his gambling, he should never think of gambling in the first place.

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Lets leave moral here. In the first place these beggars might not be beggars from the very beginning but they turned into beggars due to their attitude toward gambling. They are addicts and every money they get, they tend to use it to gamble. The first thing always on their mind is gambling and this attitude starts gradually from when they start begging little money to recover their loss in the local casino's office. From there they feel they can beg anyone outside of the casino. This is something i have come across multiple times and it is one of the reasons i stopped going to the local gambling office because such character can be normalize over there and before you know if you are friends with such persons one can be easily influenced gradually.

I think the first instinct that should be in the mind of a beggar when they give him money should be to survive. Gambling with money is wrong, it just shows that the beggar is comfortable with begging and dont have plans to stop anytime soon.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Now we know why they are still beggars, they are so addicted to easily made money which they did not work hard for. There is no reason that is enough to justify beggars for gambling. A beggar who gambles is a lazy and irresponsible. Since their major aim of gambling is to make money, there are chances that they will be investing all the money they are making from begging into gambling. It becomes even worse if they are losing so much and chasing losses. Begging to sustain their gambling desires is the most miserable lifestyle I can imagine right now.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Let's start with how would I feel if I see a beggar gamble with the money I just gave them? I would feel nothing, I would make a mental note to never give that person another dime. No point in getting mad about it, once it left my hand it wasn't mine anymore.

Now let's chat about begging in general. Go hang out in 1 of the online site chats. Look at how many people sit there all day hoping for a few cents of rain or a 25-50c tip from the mods. They are there every single day and got their hand out the whole time. once they get their penny they lose it in 2 seconds and right back to chat waiting. It's really a sad existence. This is also just what happens online.

The beggars you see in the street in your towns I will not give anything to because you don't know who is really begging out of no choice and who is begging for a living. There are groups that work together and go begging on a different corner everyday and get picked up at night and go party on the money they got. They have the ability to work and make money, but would rather let society fund their habit. It's easier to offer to buy them a sandwich or something, then you find out who is really in bad shape and who just wants money for their habit.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on September 04, 2024, 01:56:25 PM

Firstly why would a beggar gamble? Sometimes people do certain things that are not rational and that's fact. For someone to be called a beggar, it obviously means that they don't even have enough to cover for a great deal of primary needs. The question is why would someone in such a drastic state still think about gambling? Yes there is always a chance of winning the bet but the first question is is it worth it? You are supposed to gamble what you can afford to lose not money you are drastically in need of.
And simply from the context a beggar doesn't have some to spare because if he actually does he wouldn't be called a beggar in the first place.

I think this is possible because the beggar are different from the norms, let's just say they're beggars by choice, they may even have other source of income or are totally making it begging, they have little or no challenges on why they're begging in the first place.

Is just like how someone may just walk up to you begging for money, speaking about having no food or needing medical support for themselves or loved ones, looking somehow raggedy and when you decide to help them with something, they just go get something odd probably cigarettes.
Actually this maybe also through addiction that set of individuals wouldn't just mind than to act like beggars, cook up any stories just to get money for gambling and this might probably what have brought to that state first.

Also there maybe some of these actual beggars who would have probably known a beggar or someone who won something good from gambling and now they're tempted to gamble with some amount of money they're given

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Seeing a someone you just gave money for food using it to gamble few minutes later is really heartbreaking, and if I'm to be the person in such situations, I will never give that begger money again if he/she happens to approach me, because it's actually a misplaced priority, as thou we all know when it comes to gambling, anybody is at liberty to winning big of they are lucky to hit the jackpot, but begging should not be a means people should use in generating funds for gambling, as it's typically not ethical to acceptable public moral standards, as such habit is likely to discourage many people from helping genuine street beggers.

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Firstly why would a beggar gamble? Sometimes people do certain things that are not rational and that's fact. For someone to be called a beggar, it obviously means that they don't even have enough to cover for a great deal of primary needs. The question is why would someone in such a drastic state still think about gambling? Yes there is always a chance of winning the bet but the first question is is it worth it? You are supposed to gamble what you can afford to lose not money you are drastically in need of.
And simply from the context a beggar doesn't have some to spare because if he actually does he wouldn't be called a beggar in the first place.

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Everyone has the right to dream about a life changing event and gambling can give you that but are you that person 1 in 150.000.000 to hit that jackpot, I doubt this is the way to go for a beggar, the beggar depending on how he got to the point of begging should try to clear his situation in every possible way he can and if there is not any possibility at all for him then I would say there is nothing wrong to gamble from what he has left after he has bought the necessary food and has his stomach somewhat full, if he gambles and stays without eating and uses money that he gets from begging then most likely this is not at all the way to go. In the end we are the owners of our destiny in the sense that our future is made based on our decisions and it comes to mind to me that those who have become millionaires have not given a shit to what people were saying and followed with discipline their thing, that is what the beggars and the rest of us should do.

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It feels very hard that the money you earn through hard work is given to poor people, and they use that money for gambling. Remember, for some people, gambling is a gateway to escape from their hard work, and they think that gambling is the only way to get rich. In many cases, one big bet can change their lives.

I think beggars use the same strategy to earn money, taking money from someone and gambling it in hopes of becoming rich. I believe there is nothing wrong with this; all people are human beings, and just like us, they also have desires and plans for which they struggle and collect money from others. If they have the right to live a good life, then help them achieve that. If your money is being used in a casino, then don’t worry; your money is helping a person and producing a good citizen for society.

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Beggars are humans too who I am sure wish to partake in many of the activities that those of us that are fortunate to be privilege in the society do partake in. Since gambling by law in all society's only prohibits underage and mentally retard person from gambling, with this stance I find no problem with knowing that beggars too also do gamble but let it not be with my money I offered them out of pity.

I am right now just imagining how I'll react having to meet in a physical casino or betting shop a gambler I had just given some money out of pity just hours ago now risking away the money on gamble right before my very eyes. Huh

Not sure I'll repeat the giving again.

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I have a question for you, OP. If you think about the morality of beggars gambling, is it moral to be a beggar in the first place?

The way I see it you have to hide your pride to do that. Also, you have to possess no skills or simply be lazy to beg. The only beggars I can accept are disabled or sick people, who can't find other ways to make money.

So, if a beggar who's sick gambles it away, that's immoral for sure. If a drug addict or an alcoholic does the same, it doesn't really matter as these people don't care about morality.

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Quote from: Hatchy on September 04, 2024, 10:41:45 AM

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Most times before I offer help to anyone who begs, I have to take a look at the level of your physical disability. I don't give out money to a begger who has his two legs, two hands and all parts of his body still Intact. Most of these people aren't beggers but bunch of lazy Individuals whose last resort to get money is to beg. What more seeing someone you gave a helping hand money at a gambling shop, placing bets? I would be pissed a lot. Someone who rely needs a helping hand wouldn't even have a thinking for gambling as that might not be in his own agender. But if the later, then they won't be gambling for the fun but the profits which definitely will lead them to losing.

you'd definitely rather not see your money going down the drain because you gave it to someone and the person spent it all
this would be just sad

I agree that some beggars are like Hatchy describes but others aren't
it's hard to know each person situation and challenges without really talking to them

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

I'll feel pity and disappointment, I would probably be more reluctant to give money after that, I mean, I expect them to use it more responsibly instead of using it to gamble, while I understand that gambling gives them a chance to win money or maybe win a jackpot, it would still be far more responsible to use the money they begged to more useful.

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If we were to compare someone who has the capacity to gamble with someone who does not, it would definitely be a different story for both situations. If we were to compare the stakes of each person with the same amount, the beggar would have the higher stakes, meaning more consequences would be experienced by the beggar.

odds are very different and it is probably unfair.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

It's very hard to answer if we are going to talk about morality here, of course everyone can go and play, as it is their right. But here there are a lot of pros/cons. Just imagine if the money that you give to the beggar, he gambles it and won, it could change his life, or potentially improved his situation.

But with the cons, what if the outcome is not favorable to them, and could really put them in dire need. And obviously, the cycle will repeat itself, they are going back to the street, begs for more money and then continue to gamble.

And with that, there is this argument that we shouldn't really give money to them because they are going to be free loaders for the rest of their lives. But then again, we have been religiously teach in school to give to others and help. So I guess this is also a never ending debate.

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One shot, big shot. Well, it's psychological and I think many poor people do the same.

I can see the problem in it because my grandfather played the national lotto for almost his entire life and had never won the jackpot. The chance to win is so slim that it's probably best to just save all that money and use it in a better necessity.
But, can we blame them? They lack the financial mindset and all they can think about is winning that jackpot and they even have dreams once that happens.
This kind of thought pushes them to keep on doing it every day and I think that's the fun they can have while waiting for the lotto draw to happen.
Morally right? I think it's financially wrong.

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