Is it morally right for beggars to gamble? - page 2.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Beggars has their own life to live therefore those who resorted to beg and use their alms to gamble possibly do so to make end met to serve as extra income provided that they are consistently winning their bets because I believe they would not gamble with all the money given to them, while some of them could be good gamblers but due to lack of fund to play bet has to beg, however that does not means you shouldn't give them money once you played your part by giving them your token it's up to the beggar to use their money to spend it on any thing or gamble with it.

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It's morally wrong to be a beggar. A person might have some bad period in life that may compel it to beg but begging as a profession is morally wrong and should be discouraged. A person who begs to fulfill his/her immediate needs would never gamble with donated money but many beggar who chose begging as a profession do indulge in gambling. It this way, they are morally wrong again.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun.

No, they gamble to win... and every time they think it's their turn to win, but they lose again, and again...

I think I already wrote about it, these beggers have $10-$20 (or maybe a little more) and they know they can't buy many things, but if they go to a casino and if they win then they will have money for everything. Blinded by big dreams of big wins they risk what they have, but we all know that winning in lucky-based games is not so easy. And their game of choice is a lucky-based game, they wish to win now... they can't afford to wait.

And is it morally correct? Of course not, people shouldn't be gambling with money they can't afford to lose... but they are drifters, their moral compass is different and they think differently.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

What I used to do in this case was to go and identify the beggars who used to gamble with the alms money in the initial stages I would warn them and if they did not come back after warning then I would never donate any money or anything else to those beggars who do gambling with the donated fund.

Also I will only introduce my friends or relatives to those beggars who gamble with begging from people and I will suggest them not to donate to those beggars. And I have to agree with you that these beggers are definitely not gambling for fun because gambling for fun is only when you have enough money that you can afford.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

You should not blame them because they are looking for way to multiple their money so that they will stop begging from the street, but a wise beggar will not indulge into gambling since he or she knows that the reason why money is being given to him or her is to have a daily bread, wise beggar will like to accumulate the money people dash them and use it to establish a good business for himself or herself, but someone should be enlighten first before they join gambling, involving in the gambling with money people dash you to take care of yourself is not good for my own way of understanding.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Some do but most of them are looking to change their lives through gambling, Lotto is so popular here in my country and I have seen so many beggars or very poor people who just trying their luck and bet on Lotto in the hope of changing their lives for the better.

We cannot judge them that what they are doing is wrong because like me and all the others they have the right to dream and take a chance to change their lives so I don't want to judge them because I do understand their goal and motivation.

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Beggars are still human beings like you and I, they are allowed to gamble for fun and profits. Who knows luck can shine on them someday, that will make them stop begging. They wouldn't beg forever, remember.

In this life, no one wants to remain in a spot without taking some risk in lucky activities. If a beggar chooses to gamble with money given to him, I wouldn't feel about it; rather, I would tell him to gamble responsibly because of tomorrow. Let him not allow himself to be addicted to gambling, thinking that gambling is the easiest and fastest way to upgrade his life.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

What can piss me off about a beggar is if I find him to be a drunker or leave on lies that he is unwell while he's strong and healthy. As for the gambling habits of a beggar I know, it won't stop me from providing aid to him in the way I can.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Most times before I offer help to anyone who begs, I have to take a look at the level of your physical disability. I don't give out money to a begger who has his two legs, two hands and all parts of his body still Intact. Most of these people aren't beggers but bunch of lazy Individuals whose last resort to get money is to beg. What more seeing someone you gave a helping hand money at a gambling shop, placing bets? I would be pissed a lot. Someone who rely needs a helping hand wouldn't even have a thinking for gambling as that might not be in his own agender. But if the later, then they won't be gambling for the fun but the profits which definitely will lead them to losing.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some beggars that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give beggars and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

First of all, anyone can gamble no matter he is beggar or any other person, as long as anyone has money to deposit in a gambling site they can gamble and no casino will stop any person from gambling on that basis that someone is a beggar.

Next, comes the reason that since beggars are those who do not have much money to meet their day to day needs so why they spend money on gambling ? Well everyone knows that one can double the money or gain quick money from gambling. So beggars also try their luck with the little money they have. I can't comments its right or wrong decision by the beggars to gamble Huh

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Quote from: Spaceman1000$ on September 04, 2024, 10:22:48 AM

Of course i don't see anything wrong for the beggars not to gamble, at least if not for anything but the change his fortune..

I don't like it when they ask me for money: I don't like this at all. I have always maintained that you need to have the life of a healthy player.
If you are a beggar you should focus on getting out of that situation, not on making bets.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

beggars do begging as their job. so assume what they get from begging on the street or in other places is enough to meet their living needs, maybe even more. so the money they use to buy lottery tickets is the rest of their day's work.

people may feel sorry for the appearance of beggars. and give them some money. but indirectly it creates a job field for beggars to do it every day. today beggars can spend all the money they get to buy lottery tickets. and tomorrow they will beg again and get money again.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that beggars don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a beggar that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

For me it is common and not a new habit that I have seen for the first time. Apart from having fun, they may want to look different from others although not all poor gamblers behave like that.
It is impossible for them to gamble with the feeling that they have nothing to lose. Why, because in gambling losing is something that is certain to happen although the amount of loss depends on how much is bet.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some bergers that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give bergers and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

Of course i don't see anything wrong for the beggars not to gamble, at least if not for anything but for the change of his/her fortune, he cannot continue to be begging all his life, so if he gambles and he runs into luck and wins something handsomely, then he will definitely not be needing handouts from people before he eats, or gets anything that is of priority to him, so for me it's not misplaced priority, the only way i can frown at it is when the beggar becomes chronic gambler, because i do not support that, I always advocate for a healthy gambling lifestyle.

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If I know beggars that use the money to gamble, I will mark their face till I die, I make sure that I will never give them money even they're really in need.

These beggars need to get lesson for not having any money and want something to eat, so they will learn to save money in order to not ended up starving.

Anyway isn't the casino protected by security? how can the security allow beggars to gamble when they know that they're not gamble for fun and can't afford to lose their money because they're already lack of money in the first place.

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Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I ask this question because in my city I've seen some bergers that gambles and I've often wondered why they do so. I know that people give bergers and destitutes money to eat and take care of their other basic needs like soap to bath and medicine Incase they don't feel well. And seeing them in lotto kiosks that are very rampant in the cities to bet makes me to wonder if it's not misplaced priorities for them.

I doubt that when people find themselves at the bottom of society, they worry about the rightness/wrongness of moral actions. Also, these people abuse the kindness of those who try to help them and simply parasitize, using help for their own mercenary and selfish purposes. For example, homeless people spend donations (alcohol, illegal substances, etc.) not only on lottery tickets.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

So it turns out that those who give alms sponsor the casinos from their own pockets.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun.

They play to win, but I suspect they are vulnerable to the same feelings as regular gamblers (pleasure from the anticipation of winning, gambling addiction).

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose?

Easy come - easy go. It's easy to part with money that you didn't earn through your own labor.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

I would feel regret and disappointment because my efforts to help the person were in vain. It would be better to give it to someone else who really needs it and is able to use it for good, rather than waste it on the false hope of winning.

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Quote from: cabron on September 04, 2024, 09:44:05 AM

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I wondered what you meant by bergers. I have only heard of berger and that's a disease. I quickly realized you mean beggar.

Although I don't want to take away from beggars their freedom, I think if there is still left a little sense of responsibility in them, they should not gamble the money that they only begged from other people. Of course they're free to do whatever they want with their money, but it is misplaced for them to prefer to gamble what they could have saved or spent on something else more important.

Their existence is dependent on other people's generosity. The least that they can do with their money is to spend them responsibly.

I was also searching the google what he meant and only found that disease. Jesus. I was assuming this is the kind of people who may be from a country I don't know. If I didn't read the messages below I wouldn't find out.

Because they have nothing to lose seems a fair examination of the situation. Seeing them only have that kind of opportunity to get out of the situation, will be the only option, and winning in a lottery will be the biggest relief.

Do you think that this beggar in question who wants to use gamble to win a fortune will quit gambling if he wins the lottery, I doubt because he might still continue gambling and will not nw satisfied with his wins. He is a beggar doesn't mean that he is not human and will not have the spirit of greed in him. Why I am saying this is that because he has a misplaced priority to use the alms he got to gamble. I know that he has nothing to lose because he didn't have any money from onset but imagine a lob the money he has been using to gamble if he has saved them to do something better.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on September 04, 2024, 08:17:22 AM

I wondered what you meant by bergers. I have only heard of berger and that's a disease. I quickly realized you mean beggar.

Although I don't want to take away from beggars their freedom, I think if there is still left a little sense of responsibility in them, they should not gamble the money that they only begged from other people. Of course they're free to do whatever they want with their money, but it is misplaced for them to prefer to gamble what they could have saved or spent on something else more important.

Their existence is dependent on other people's generosity. The least that they can do with their money is to spend them responsibly.

I was also searching the google what he meant and only found that disease. Jesus. I was assuming this is the kind of people who may be from a country I don't know. If I didn't read the messages below I wouldn't find out.

Because they have nothing to lose seems a fair examination of the situation. Seeing them only have that kind of opportunity to get out of the situation, will be the only option, and winning in a lottery will be the biggest relief.

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There is always a prejudice from poor people “who knows by placing a lottery bet can win” maybe they think it can change their fate, and usually poor people are better off holding hunger than not placing a lottery bet.

I will look at the situation of the poor person, if he is not a gambler then I will give whatever help he asks for, but if he is often given money whose intention is to eat or other needs instead of using gambling then I will not give it anymore... Maybe I will advise him, that gambling when there is no money should not be forced.

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Bergers are those that are rearing sheep. You need to correct it to beggars which are people that peg for money. Some are even homeless.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I believe that bergers don't gamble for fun. So do you think that it's because they feel that they don't have anything to loose and somebody will still give them money if they lose? How will you feel if you see a berger that you just gave your hard earned money using it to gamble?

I may feel like he does not understand what gambling is. I can ask him questions and see his replies. Question like did he think he can make money from gambling. I will advice him. If I see him gambling again, I will stop giving him money. He can use the strength he is using to gamble to work. He can get a job and start working.

This is not common in my area. I have not even seen something like this before. But people that I called beggars are people that something happened to in a way they are unable to work because of their disabilities. I can not give money to anyone that is complete and physically fit.

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What you wrote has been answered and that is the point and reasonable reason why the Berger group or tribe has the desire to gamble.

Quote from: Kelward on September 04, 2024, 07:43:12 AM

I understand that most poor people are looking for shortcuts to riches and they see gambling as a get rich quick scheme. But most of them are ignorant of the house edge over gamblers and it means that winning is not easy.

Another reason is that they don't understand the meaning of the risks of gambling, they only think that gambling can change their decent lives, like most people living in urban areas, the actual fact is that this is not the case, quite the opposite.

But I also wonder, if there are Berger tribes who are involved in the world of gambling, usually those who live in the mountains are generally busy with their lives and herding activities, It is very rare for Berger's group to be involved in gambling, even if there is one that can be counted on one hand and whatever the reason they gamble, they want to try their luck at gambling, even if the opposite happens.

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