Is it OK to use Bitcointalk to organize criminal enterprises? - page 2.

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Luke-Jr on March 23, 2014, 02:57:20 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2014, 12:24:30 PM

I know, I remember the whole BIP16/17 fiasco. I don't agree that turning to the community for a decision is wrong. It's not like I think killing premined altcoins is bad. I just don't want LukeJr, without telling his miners or getting their support, to turn his mining power away from what it is supposed to be doing to whatever he wants to do with it. He can put prayers in the blockchain all day long for all I care. I just want him to get consent from his miners before he does shit like that and stop wielding his mining power like a sword. He doesn't have the right to do it. I would think it would be a red flag for him that his supporter is ~~Realsolid~~ ~~Coinhunter~~ BitcoinEXpress.

I shutdown CoiledCoin by myself. Eligius miners were not involved.

I don't believe you. I notice you selectively didn't respond to Eligius miners spamming the blockchain with Christian prayers.

Zeglamancer

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How exactly is this a criminal enterprise? The community needs this. In fact, I think BitcoinTalk administrators should be pressured to moderate the alt-coin announcement forums more severely

Luke-Jr

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2014, 12:24:30 PM

I know, I remember the whole BIP16/17 fiasco. I don't agree that turning to the community for a decision is wrong. It's not like I think killing premined altcoins is bad. I just don't want LukeJr, without telling his miners or getting their support, to turn his mining power away from what it is supposed to be doing to whatever he wants to do with it. He can put prayers in the blockchain all day long for all I care. I just want him to get consent from his miners before he does shit like that and stop wielding his mining power like a sword. He doesn't have the right to do it. I would think it would be a red flag for him that his supporter is ~~Realsolid~~ ~~Coinhunter~~ BitcoinEXpress.

I shutdown CoiledCoin by myself. Eligius miners were not involved.

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Raize on March 23, 2014, 12:12:57 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2014, 11:13:20 AM

The lead dev (everyone's beloved Gavin) himself has called you poisonous.

Gavin also once changed his signature to try to get Deepbit to "vote" on the blockchain for BIP 16, risking a network fork. Developers shouldn't beseech miners as it sidesteps the community itself and can potentially set folks at odds with each other financially. There are no innocents here.

Tycho made his position clear as to why this was a bad idea. If he switched before others did, it would reflect poorly on his pool's consensus ability, putting him at odds with other miners and devs.

I'm not defending Luke, but the BIP16/BIP17 stuff should never have hit the community or become something for miners to "vote" on, IMHO.

Killing premined altcoins sounds like a great idea, IMHO.

I know, I remember the whole BIP16/17 fiasco. I don't agree that turning to the community for a decision is wrong. It's not like I think killing premined altcoins is bad. I just don't want LukeJr, without telling his miners or getting their support, to turn his mining power away from what it is supposed to be doing to whatever he wants to do with it. He can put prayers in the blockchain all day long for all I care. I just want him to get consent from his miners before he does shit like that and stop wielding his mining power like a sword. He doesn't have the right to do it. I would think it would be a red flag for him that his supporter is ~~Realsolid~~ ~~Coinhunter~~ BitcoinEXpress.

woetohice

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Quote from: Raize on March 23, 2014, 12:12:57 PM

Killing premined altcoins sounds like a great idea, IMHO.

Do you also agree with extorting money from them? Under the plan outlined, premined coins are OK as long as they pay the 20 BTC protection fee. If they do not pay, "they are instantly targeted and destroyed via BCX's methods."

Raize

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2014, 11:13:20 AM

The lead dev (everyone's beloved Gavin) himself has called you poisonous.

Gavin also once changed his signature to try to get Deepbit to "vote" on the blockchain for BIP 16, risking a network fork. Developers shouldn't beseech miners as it sidesteps the community itself and can potentially set folks at odds with each other financially. There are no innocents here.

Tycho made his position clear as to why this was a bad idea. If he switched before others did, it would reflect poorly on his pool's consensus ability, putting him at odds with other miners and devs.

I'm not defending Luke, but the BIP16/BIP17 stuff should never have hit the community or become something for miners to "vote" on, IMHO.

Killing premined altcoins sounds like a great idea, IMHO.

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Luke-Jr on March 23, 2014, 04:56:48 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2014, 04:25:01 AM

You don't need an anonymous pool or any payment. LukeJr loves to kill altcoins. He'll do it for free. He's done it before.

No need to slander me.
I killed one scamcoin before, simply by mining it.
Was pretty funny until the scammers got up in arms.

But I have no problem with legit altcoins.
It doesn't sound like these guys do either (but I only read the first post).
I don't see any extortion either, sounds like they're just a volunteer community service team.

I've been here a long time sweetheart. Do you really want me to list the fucked up shit you've done? The lead dev (everyone's beloved Gavin) himself has called you poisonous.

I don't want YOU as a judge and jury of what's right or wrong and I certainly don't want you to take unilateral action to destroy anything. Thanks

woetohice

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For those who did not see the extortion in the thread.

From Miriam Webster Dictionary:

Extortion: "Unlawful exaction of money or property through intimidation or undue exercise of authority. "

Quote from: zeroc00l on March 22, 2014, 12:54:44 AM

If any coin does not comply with the application/audit and payment process, they are instantly targeted and destroyed via BCX's methods.

woetohice

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Quote from: zeroc00l on March 22, 2014, 12:54:44 AM

To be fair, we could probably have this committee determine how much payment each altcoin must make to the Operation funds.

If a coin seems to have some legitimate innovation, which we decided is good for the crypto community, perhaps we waive the fee.

If a coin is borderline, we charge some fee like 10 BTC.

If the coin seems like a scam, then we charge double, like 20 BTC.

If any coin does not comply with the application/audit and payment process, they are instantly targeted and destroyed via BCX's methods.

We would need to put together a team of DDOS, multi pool operators, and volunteer hackers to enforce the mandate.

It'll be no small feat, and will require some organization, obviously.

Obviously you are not going to call it an extortion fee, so you call it a "listing fee" or whatever. It's still extortion. People have to pay up or suffer the consequences.

This has nothing to do with cleaning up alt coins. The guy who started the thread is a producer of "scam coins" himself. Other members are pool operates, and part of the plan is to launch DDOS attacks on their competitors. They are "cleaning things up" in exactly the same way the mafia "cleans up" neighborhoods.

Luke-Jr

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2014, 04:25:01 AM

You don't need an anonymous pool or any payment. LukeJr loves to kill altcoins. He'll do it for free. He's done it before.

No need to slander me.
I killed one scamcoin before, simply by mining it.
Was pretty funny until the scammers got up in arms.

But I have no problem with legit altcoins.
It doesn't sound like these guys do either (but I only read the first post).
I don't see any extortion either, sounds like they're just a volunteer community service team.

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

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Quote from: woetohice on March 22, 2014, 08:14:52 PM

There's a thread in the alt coin section in which members are organizing an extortion ring. They will demand payment from alt coin creators, and if they don't pay they will launch DDOS attacks and attempt to fork the coin.

Regardless of your feelings about alt coins, this is extortion and it is illegal.

I've reported this thread, and others said they have as well, but it remains open.

Is Bitcointalk OK with the forum being used to organize a criminal enterprise?

No one is demanding payment but there is a group forming. I am in the process of building an anonymous pool for the group that will have the power 51% most scrypt alt coins.

~BCX~

You don't need an anonymous pool or any payment. LukeJr loves to kill altcoins. He'll do it for free. He's done it before.

woetohice

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Sure.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/operation-shitcoin-cleanout-and-clean-up-has-begun-join-the-revolution-re-open-522235

woetohice

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There's a thread in the alt coin section in which members are organizing an extortion ring. They will demand payment from alt coin creators, and if they don't pay they will launch DDOS attacks and attempt to fork the coin.

Regardless of your feelings about alt coins, this is extortion and it is illegal.

I've reported this thread, and others said they have as well, but it remains open.

Is Bitcointalk OK with the forum being used to organize a criminal enterprise?

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