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a debt is always a debt and of course it depends on who you owe the debt.
General rule you practically always have to pay it.
Worse still if you leave something as collateral... that's where the person who made the loan makes the biggest mistake because the collateral is always greater than the asset you receive on loan.
I find it absurd to go into debt for gamble activity, it's one of the easiest ways to have serious financial problems!
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This is the problem of addiction, if not why will a gambler pile up debt without paying it, and allow his children to inherit it. Gambling should not be done with loans, so that it will not be a problem to pay back, because it is always hard for someone that is addicted to pay back his debt.

The family of an addicted gambler always get affected by the his lifestyle in one way or the other, and this is why we need to have self control over our gambling activities, and also gamble responsible, so that the properties that we left for our children, will not be used to replace our debts. It is normal in my country, that the family of the deceased will pay off the debts of their father.

Any form of debt is the same when the borrower already passed away. Gambling debt, business debt, personal debt and other debt will all inherit by the immediate finally once the borrower died so I don’t see any difference of gambling debt to other type of debt.

Gambling debt is just different if the person who keeps borrowing is still alive since this kind of debt is just a waste of money especially if the borrowed money is loss. A family of a businessman that bankrupt and has a pile of debt will have the same experience to a family of gambler that has debt because they are just both ended up by debt that they will pay by themselves.

Don’t ask for loan in general if you don’t have any collateral.
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?
It depends on how much debt, if the debt is big, say when someone borrows money from a loan shark, of course he will be in big debt because the interest will increase if he is late in making payments. I once saw someone around my house where a gambler's father committed suicide just because he was in debt. and the debt was passed on to his children who had to pay their father's debt, but because the children were not yet mature enough and had decent jobs, they were given relief by the loan sharks.

I think we often find this incident everywhere, that's why it's always recommended not to gamble using money from debt because it will ensnare them in the end, gambling is not a place to look for luck, let alone a place to make money, so gambling must use the money you have. ready to be lost, the point is don't gamble to make money because it won't produce anything, especially if you lose, of course anything can be done to be able to continue gambling even if you have to go into debt, that's not really recommended.
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If it is loan then yes, but if it is a debt without any papers or contract involved then it's a no and things will be settled through agreement. But this will fall under the term of debt and there's no need to specify gambling as an activity because in any form, debt is debt. There are also instances wherein loans are done through unregistered online loaning applications and in any aspect they cannot force the person in debt to pay them but they often send threats ( evident in my area but I'm not sure if same scheme exists with the others, also a different story or discussion).
The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?

There's no such thing as inheriting debt in the country where I live, when the loan taker dies, the debt or loan will automatically be paid off. This is also part of the law in our country, so lenders cannot sue loan takers. This law is very useful, especially for someone who leaves behind debts to their family.

This is evident only with properties bought through financing in my country, again it will always depend on the contract. Familiar with this law which for me is a bit unfair on their end. They could also sue "estafa" on the loan takers end  but amounts will not stil be paid in an instant. However, there are a few instances that a gambler dies upon taking a loan which is also another angle of this topic. In most instances, they suffer from the consequences lf their actions which is taking a loan and not being able to pay it before the due. Interest wil just become bigger as the time passes by, making it a bigger burden as well. This is why such action wil never be advisable.
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This is the problem of addiction, if not why will a gambler pile up debt without paying it, and allow his children to inherit it. Gambling should not be done with loans, so that it will not be a problem to pay back, because it is always hard for someone that is addicted to pay back his debt.

The family of an addicted gambler always get affected by the his lifestyle in one way or the other, and this is why we need to have self control over our gambling activities, and also gamble responsible, so that the properties that we left for our children, will not be used to replace our debts. It is normal in my country, that the family of the deceased will pay off the debts of their father.
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?

It still depends on the contract agreement for the loan because most of the gambling loan usually done on trust basis like the forum lending section. Some loan shark just for collateral and doesn’t have a contract. Inheriting a gambling debt is not possible if the person borrow the money already died while there’s no contract between them and the lender that stated the scenario of the borrower passing away.

If I will be the one who inherit the debt then I will definitely not gonna pay for it because I’m not the one who borrowed it even if he is my parents or family. I will fight them with the court because I will not gonna settle with unknown debt.
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Logically speaking from a lender's standpoint, the gamblers next of kin should bear the debt.

As they say, "The father's sin passes to their son".

Indeed the lender needs to recover their money and for that often it happens that the actual debtor ends up in bad situation and ends their life - eventually the lender would come back to the gamblers family seeking for their money.

I saw some users comment about exploitation here - it is true, but lenders should avoid such things for their own sanity and be professional.
Probably different countries have completely different laws, but as for my country, the debts of a deceased person are passed on to the heirs. This means that if the father lost and has debts, then they will pass on to his children and wife. On the one hand, this is fair, because debts cannot be written off just like that; there is even an expression - debts must always be paid. But I also sometimes think that the children and wife might not know about the debts of their husband or father. Of course, I know of cases where, when taking out a debt, banks or other financial organizations are required to notify the wife of the person who is borrowing a large amount of money. I think this is correct, because if the wife does not agree for her husband to borrow such a huge amount, then she can simply divorce him, because she is not ready for this.
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Logically speaking from a lender's standpoint, the gamblers next of kin should bear the debt.

As they say, "The father's sin passes to their son".

Indeed the lender needs to recover their money and for that often it happens that the actual debtor ends up in bad situation and ends their life - eventually the lender would come back to the gamblers family seeking for their money.

I saw some users comment about exploitation here - it is true, but lenders should avoid such things for their own sanity and be professional.
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For a moment. let's forget about gambling. Let's suppose someone takes a loan and he dies without paying the loan. So his children and his remaining like his wife etc are supposed to pay that debt. Unless the other person forgives the loan, there is no other way out but to pay the loan.

So now taking a loan for gambling is no different too. The person who gave the loan wants his loan back, he doesn't care if you gamble and lose everything in the loan. It is the gambler's problem (the one who took the loan) and not his.  The same rules would apply if you take a loan for any other purpose or for the gambling. Also in most cases, if you tell them that you are taking a loan to gamble, most of the people will refuse to give a loan. Therefore most gamblers do not tell that the purpose of the loan is to gamble.

In my opinion, someone who has a debt and dies so that he does not have time to pay off his debt, it is likely that the family will become the next responsibility where the family of the main perpetrator must be burdened with the debt that he has not had time to pay off. And to forgive the loans that have been made I don't think it will happen, because everyone is sensitive to the name of money, let alone with other people with blood relatives alone if the problem is money it can be a tenuous relationship. Also if he has his debts in a large company such as a bank which is legitimately a large company I don't think it will just forgive him, still related parties such as family must pay off the debt as you said there is no way out other than paying off the debt, but indeed this will be an additional burden in my opinion.

For gambling addicts, borrowing money is not a strange thing in my opinion, because it will happen if you are addicted to gambling. But it is different if people who are not addicted to gambling borrow money from the beginning with the knowledge of all their families and when the main perpetrator dies, the family should continue that they have to pay the debt in full because of the mutual agreement that was determined from the beginning. But if people who are addicted to gambling in my opinion they will not tell that they make loans for gambling, so when they die or decide to commit suicide like many cases that have occurred because of the stress of excessive pressure, then the family I think will be surprised when they know the main perpetrator leaves a debt that may be large, but right as you say there is no way out other than paying and paying it off, even though this is an additional burden but it must be accepted because I think there is no forgiveness that can be forgotten so I especially related to money. Besides, someone who gambles will not explain the reason for borrowing, if they say the reason for borrowing is to gamble then of course the borrower also I don't think will give it, so with them getting borrowed money I think it is based on lies.
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?

The answer depends on the existing law in the country where the debtor is located, here in our country.

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...settling of debt and other financial obligations left by the deceased is assumed by his or her successors.

So here in our country, the deceased properties should be sold or they will have to pay the debt first before the inheritors, inherit the deceased properties.
The head of the family should take care of everything in case he passes away and his children are still small and he cannot do this if he is in debt and he is taking loans to sustain his addiction to gambling.
Children expect inheritance from their parents so they can sustain the generations to come that's our tradition here in our country and this will not happen if the head of the family is a chronic gambler, so for head the family if they want to give inheritance to your children, moderate your gambling habit.

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You can talked or discuss with the lender privately and asked them not to brought the case to the law court. If the family promise to repay the loan as soon as possible to the lender, the lender can accepted that and will just wait for the family repay the money. There should be agreement between the family and the lender when the family repay all of the loans to the lender. But if the lender brought that case to the law court, we don't know what will happens because the family should repay the loan no matter what is the reasons.
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It's vary from each country to other, so make sure to check the laws and regulations in your country, or a better way contact a lawyer or professional since they know more than Average Joe.

When you may be responsible for someone else’s debt

You’re not typically responsible for repaying the debt of someone who’s died, unless:

    You’re a co-signer on a loan with outstanding debt
    You’re a joint account holder on a credit card. Note: this is different from an authorized user
    You’re a surviving spouse and your state law requires spouses to pay a particular type of debt
    You’re the executor or administrator of the deceased person’s estate and your state law requires executors or administrators to pay an outstanding bill out of property that was jointly owned by the surviving and deceased spouses
    You’re a surviving spouse and you live in a community property state that requires surviving spouses to use jointly-held property to pay debts of a deceased spouse. These states include Alaska (if a special agreement is signed), Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington, and Wisconsin.

If there was no co-signer, joint account holder, or other exception, only the estate of the deceased person owes the debt.

Above are the legal reasons that someone will bear someone else debts that already died.

But they can use illegal way like force and harass you because you're one of his family, you might get canceled by other people e.g. neighbors, friends etc because they're scared with the debt collectors too.
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?

There's no such thing as inheriting debt in the country where I live, when the loan taker dies, the debt or loan will automatically be paid off. This is also part of the law in our country, so lenders cannot sue loan takers. This law is very useful, especially for someone who leaves behind debts to their family.
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?
If the case is not statute barred, any debt can be claimed from the family members even after the debtor has passed away. In the law there is a duration within which a case about debt is valid, and within which a debt can be claimed. So @OP it is very possible to inherit a gambling debt from your parents, because under the law it is considered that your father or mother who is debt entered the debt considering to make profit that will still be of benefit of you.
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?
On a foolish person will leave debt for his children. Permit me to back it up with a quote from the good book that says, "A good person leaves an inheritance for their children's children...Proverbs 13:22"

Well the goodnews is that this is not a problem. The law will take its due course and knows how to handle this type of situation. A debt is a debt be it gambling debt or business debt. Read what the law says here- https://www.debt.org/advice/inheriting/

In the end, the person who leaves debt for his children has indirectly left them no inheritance.
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Yes indeed, this is indeed a very concerning situation, I think it has become a fact and perhaps a habit for a gambler especially those who have entered the stage of addiction where they make loans as an alternative to financing their gambling activities, basically borrowed money is indeed to be borrowed but in general and overall the money is borrowed only when you experience an urgent situation such as needing money for anything that cannot be tolerated or need funds as soon as possible. but unfortunately the gamblers who are addicted take advantage of this situation which in the end as the OP said that in the end it is their children or their family members who have to pay for something that is actually not their responsibility when the gambler dies, But unfortunately gamblers who are already addicted take advantage of this situation which in the end as the OP said that in the end it is their children or their family members who have to pay for something that is actually not their responsibility when the gambler is dead.

But on the other hand I don't think it will be that easy to make a loan, especially if you borrow from a public service agency, because there are guarantees that must be met, usually the lender will check your financial situation along with the weekly or monthly income you get from work, if the amount is quite good in the sense that there is money left over that is not used for other needs then usually they will just give you a loan, but if there is absolutely nothing that can guarantee the trust of the service then they will not just give the loan, and maybe the answer is that gamblers borrow more from the closest people such as friends or relatives.
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In most countries when debt is so high then the gambler's family is bound to pay the debt. In most cases they have to sell their properties in order to pay the debt, but if debt isn't too much then the lender allows them to pay him on monthly basis. But, that lender can do so many wrong things with that family and whatever he tells them they'll have to obey his orders. I even heard that some of such lenders often sexually exploits wives and young daughters of those who take loan from them. It's a bitter truth but it happens in many communities. Lenders want their money back badly and for that they can go to any extent.
Such behaviour can be observed in various communities but not all are exposed. There are some gamblers who gamble silently and at some point they try to gamble with loan money. When their debts become heavy, they are pressured by the lenders to give them various conditions to repay the money, but the lenders do not always believe the gamblers' promises. At some point they come to their parents and stress about the loan. As the amount of debt is high then they have no other option but to sell the fixed assets. And if they fail to pay that money, then they give various unpleasant proposals for that loan. Gambling on loan is one of the biggest vices of gamblers.
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?

No its not working as that since the person who get the loan is their parent and not their child so they are out on that problem and consider the loan to be gone since the person who borrowed the money is unfortunately passed away. The lender cannot say that they can take their asset not unless if there's signed contract about that but if there's nothing signed then the lender can't take anything from the borrowers children and if they do bad action like threaten or harass then its better to report it to police so that they can leave a statement to the lender that they are out of that problem since they are not the person who have obligation to him.

This is bad on the side of lender but he can't force the childrens to pay the loan which is taken by their parent.
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Well when a gambler dies, their estate pays their debts.. The people they owe money to go after whatever the person left behind like houses, money, gadgets, you name it. Luckily a regular family members usually don't get stuck paying off those debts, unless they were mixed up in it too, like sharing bank accounts. The legal deal involves sorting out what the person owned, paying off debts from that stash and divvying up whatever's left. If there's not enough, tough luck for the creditors. The rules can change depending on where you are, so it's a good idea to get some legal advice if you find yourself inheriting more than just your parent's old record collection after they've rolled the dice one too many times
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The high rate of gamblers who take loan for gambling purposes is quite alarming, and most of them are fathers to kids. Most of them don't end up taking care of their debt before passing. What happens to the funds, when the lender comes for his money? It's quite a tough one for a person who isn't a gambler to inherit a trouble from a gambling dad. Such things also increase the anger of the society on gamblers, because the addicts are, also, good at extending their problem gambling to other close relatives. Could it be talked through in the law court?

For a moment. let's forget about gambling. Let's suppose someone takes a loan and he dies without paying the loan. So his children and his remaining like his wife etc are supposed to pay that debt. Unless the other person forgives the loan, there is no other way out but to pay the loan.

So now taking a loan for gambling is no different too. The person who gave the loan wants his loan back, he doesn't care if you gamble and lose everything in the loan. It is the gambler's problem (the one who took the loan) and not his.  The same rules would apply if you take a loan for any other purpose or for the gambling. Also in most cases, if you tell them that you are taking a loan to gamble, most of the people will refuse to give a loan. Therefore most gamblers do not tell that the purpose of the loan is to gamble.

In some countries, the laws are very strict about the loans and one has to abide by the loan regulations when it comes to the paying off the loan. I think there are two types of loans to be considered here.

1) Those loans which we give to our family and friends. In these types of loans, we usually do not care to write it down on legal papers and these loans are given on good will. So sometimes people do not pay back these loans resulting in conflicts on the families etc,

2) The loans taken from the Loan giving agencies. Here everything is documented and if we fail to return the loan on time, there could be legal penalties. The chances of not paying the loan in this case is very slim.

I would say that even if we give a loan to any of our near and dear ones, better get it legally documented so that in case of any mishap like the death of the person to whom the loan was given, the next course of action is clearly mentioned and can be claimed in the court of law.
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