Topic: Is it possible to recognize that someone is using 2nd hand account? - page 4. (Read 2686 times)

So you think there are no agencies established that are trying to control scams/money laundering in real world ?
Please read this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_laundering

Most of the forum agrees to it because what you say is utter foolishness with no achievements by doing it.People should have the common sense to understand the consequences of their trade/deal whatever.

Now,if we put your question out of the forum then what are governments doing for the ton load of scams ,crimes increasing day by day ? It never ends and the best solution is that the people should take the required precautionary measures.

Yes but what if the guy himself scams after building all the reputation required to do one ?
what after making a scam accusation against him ? does it solves the issue ? No, the scam has already taken place and there is no fruit in banning the scammer/user except the useless satisfaction of the victim.

You will have scam accusation thread against YOU.  
In any case, if you have sold the account then you won't care about what's happening with your account BUT if we had this POLICY that accounts can not be sold then YOU would have been held responsible for this & YOUR account should have been banned.

thats what i feell ike doing cause i got rep abused for no reason.

So I get a mail, how does that hold me responsible for a scam with the account I just sold off-site?

Yep, I saw that. Priority of this forum administration is to control spam by implementing as many rules & policies as possible BUT not even try to control scam by implementing any rules or policies. No one is coming up with suggestions, all of them are just opposing whatever has been proposed to control scams here.

Funny party: As mentioned by you most of the forum agrees to it.

The difference doesn't matters anymore.There are rules and you need to follow them cause you can't change it until you have found a solution where more than half of the community members agree with it and i don't see that happening.

Please use your eyes & read properly.
If you cant understand then it's not my moral responsibility to make you understand the difference b/w sig spamming & placing referral link as part of OP being considered as spam on this forum

and you argue with me thinking that you got sound head and using it..such a pity dude...

you mean another person that uses their brain? ok.

if youre asking this, then you probably dont know what the moderators do. again, theyre not the morals police, theyre moderators.

please point out where my explanation and whoever elses' are illogical. then again...

as soon as you play the sig spam card, its more or less apparent you dont have anything as a rebuttal. im starting to think youre just trolling at this point. well whatever.

Another mexxer-2.

Why even have moderators on the forum at all? Don't they have better things in the real life to do ?

Illogical arguments at its best given by so called Hero & Legendary members of this forum who think that forum spamming by allowing users to post referral link as part of their OP is bigger issue than innocent users who get scammed here & loose their hard earned money.

not necessarily. it might reduce the number of scam attempts, (ex newbie member, first post saying 'my million dollars papal for your btc you send first'), but imo members that would have gotten scammed by a new account will probably have gotten scammed regardless of weather or not the scammer was using a newbie or junior account. worded kinda badly, hope it made sense.

no, you should be able to look out for yourself and identify a scam and avoid it. how many threads involving trades do you think there are on this thread? you cannot leave the active monitoring and judgement of all of those trades to the two admins of the forum. they have better things to do, better admin-y things. its also not the job of the moderators either. their job is to clean up the forum in terms fo moving posts where they belong, banning spammers, deleting off topic stuff, yada yada. these people arent the police and have no obligation to be.

permitted or not, account trades will happen. its more or less safer for account traders (sellers and buyers likewise) if account trading is allowed and allowed to be taken on the forum. if they were banned, account trades would happen regardless offsite, and multiple problems would arise, not limited to but including repossession scams by the seller, straight up scamming without the presence of escrow, etc. to clarify what i mean by 'repossession scam,' in the event that account trades were forbidden, the forum admins would have no choice but to return the sold (offsite) account to the seller (since account trades are forbidden, the ruling would automatically become 'the account was hacked') potentially abetting the seller in scamming the account buyer out of whatever he paid for the account.

They don't have issues with creating multiple accounts on this forum.

It depends from the style of writing and from many other thing. But I think that an IP control would be great in way to check some man who has more than one account.

Yes, its happening in the dark where its difficult to see.


But for a scammer its easy to just farm accounts for 30 days and use them for scams later. They haven an incentive to do this, because they can possible come out ahead, esp. if the majority of users consider Jr. accounts trustworthy. Someone that just wants to make deals might be driven away because they dont bother with the grinding.


Lets just put the above aside and lets assume somehow account sales do not happen. Do you honestly consider someone trustworthy just because they have been here for 30 days? 60 days? 180 days? 770 days? You should not. You should no one here consider trustworthy because of time. If anything you can trust someone because they have something to lose. E.g. I have 770 days I put into this account to lose. What you cant know is how much in BTC that is worth to me. Some escrows and services have shown they can be trusted with 1000's of BTC. How do you know its them? Verify the PGP signed message they provide. Its more beneficial for them to stay honest than it is to run away with 2-3 btc.


People dont read stickies, they ask the same questions - answered in those stickies - over and over and over and over again. There are at least 2-3 posts a week that ask how activity works. Do you honestly think you can just make a marketplace sticky and people will be educated? It does not only need time it also needs a strong motivation and the best motivation is: no one can help you if you fuck up. Bitcoin can not be reversed. If you are willing to take the risk to trade it for paypal that can be reversed for 180 days, be aware of the risk. Once the scam happened your coins are gone and there is nothing you can do about it. This is the strongest motivation I can think of for someone to learn and understand how trading with bitcoin works.


Yes, but you suggested I will be held responsible for the actions of the acount even after I sold it. I ask you how you will be able to make me responsible.

Agreed because you are always giving your opinion against the topic which I raise.
My thought process is completely opposite than yours.

Agreed but then knowingly we are not digging holes for ourselves.

Implement proper & effective rules to access market place rather than implementing worthless rule of not having referral link as part of OP.
Staff does not have to do anything if there is a rule to access market place.
For Example: Account less than Junior Member & registered for 30 days should not have access to deal.
It would be an automated process and no staff involvement once this feature is coded.

For anyone to learn how to protect themselves against scams, it need time. They would learn in the 30 days period that how does scammers work & would become more capable of protecting themselves from scam if the above mentioned rule is implemented.


You sell your a/c then it means you no longer want to keep that account.
You should probably create a thread on this forum that you are about to sell your account and you would not be responsible for any deals/scams done after that date using your account.

Yep, just like the real world, scammers are abound here and it's even worse because a lot of folks get into bitcoin to make money quickly, so they're greedy and jump at opportunities that seem too good to be true.  And even those that don't sometimes are scams too. 

I imagine the gold rush in California in the 1800s was like this.  Scammers must have flocked there to rip off the gullible.  So just be careful.

You missed the point. If account sales are no longer allowed here, it does not mean that accounts are not sold. They will be sold elsewhere, but still used here.


What in your personal opinion is the better way to make this a less prone to scams forum?

One where staff tries the impossible, to prevent all scams or one where each user learns about the way of the scammers and is able to protect themself?

something, something, fish, feed him for a lifetime.


What exactly do you mean with "responsible"? Lets say I sell my account and it is used to steal 1 BTC from you. What now?


Its easy in hindsight, isnt it?

Sorry but why would you care if scammer scams on another website? Should we not focus on making https://bitcointalk.org a better/less prone to scam forum?
By banning a/c sales and making user who registered with that a/c responsible for any/all scam that happens with that account would prevent at least 0.01% of the scams?
In most of the cases looking at the evidences it should not be that difficult to decide who scammed.