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Topic: Is it safe to us to get Covid -19 Vaccine? - page 6. (Read 1365 times)

legendary
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“Viruses” are just internal natural bodily functions when cells die.

You can't possibly believe this. It's a joke, surely? You're suggesting that when viruses spread amongst a population of people, they are not spreading from person to person at all, but rather everyone's dying cells are simultaneously turning into the exact same virus, and it's all happening internally in each case? I must have misunderstood what you mean, because this is absurd.
sr. member
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Yes of cause, is right to get covid19 vaccine because why we are suffering today is because of the problem Covid19 brought to us and we have to stop it by taking the vaccine, but people is afraid of the vaccine is that it us causing harm to people? Or it's something that is different , because im skeptical over rejection of this, because in my country many are afraid of taking the vaccine for their benefit and is not for money, it's free because government take it upon their self to suppose for the survive of her people.

What idiot box aka tv preaches and what some of the most qualified people say is two different things. If something is "free" whoever takes it is the product.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57466608

“Viruses” are just internal natural bodily functions when cells die.
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Yes of cause, is right to get covid19 vaccine because why we are suffering today is because of the problem Covid19 brought to us and we have to stop it by taking the vaccine, but people is afraid of the vaccine is that it us causing harm to people? Or it's something that is different , because im skeptical over rejection of this, because in my country many are afraid of taking the vaccine for their benefit and is not for money, it's free because government take it upon their self to suppose for the survive of her people.
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Dr Peter McCullough MD is a Professor at Texas A & M College of Medicine, President, Cardiorenal Society of America, Editor-in-Chief, Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine, Senior Associate Editor, American Journal of Cardiology and others. He has written 46 peer-reviewed publications on COVID-19 and is considered among the world’s experts on the topic, testifying in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs in November 2020, and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, in the Colorado General Assembly, and in the New Hampshire Senate, concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/07/no_author/dr-peter-mccullough-urgent-warning-about-poisonous-jabs/
legendary
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Because anti-vaxxers will believe anything which is against vaccines and science, no matter what that is. They think they are debunking whole governments and pharmaceutical companies, using some stupid Youtube videos. It's pathetic to say the least. Even if you mention your debunking source, they'll make a new conspiracy theory that your source is also fake.


Lol.  You are a veritable barrel of laughs.  It is a mighty struggle to get idiots like franky1 up to a basic (1980s-ish) high-school level about what DNA is, what a 'gene' is, what a cell nucleus is, etc.  Yet I persevere for the 'greater good' because that's the kind of guy I am.

As for (((them)))tube, it's already highly censored for anything 'anti-vaxx' except for baloney which the vaxx side put up themselves as part of a psychological operation.  They need to invent sock-puppets to fight with since they don't have any real science or arguments.  In short, there is very little to 'debunk' on jootube, and most of us have moved on to other platforms where there is a modicum of free speech.

hero member
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Albert Bourla Pfizer CEO does not take the poision shot, what a surprise
https://youtu.be/mTH5D3Tyb8c?t=98

This is fake news - Albert Bourla got the covid vaccine already.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/30/fact-check-pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-received-covid-19-vaccine/7028843002/

Why are so many anti vaxxers falling for fake news? It is just a matter of time until the vaccine will be mandatory in all countries.
Because anti-vaxxers will believe anything which is against vaccines and science, no matter what that is. They think they are debunking whole governments and pharmaceutical companies, using some stupid Youtube videos. It's pathetic to say the least. Even if you mention your debunking source, they'll make a new conspiracy theory that your source is also fake.
hero member
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Albert Bourla Pfizer CEO does not take the poision shot, what a surprise
https://youtu.be/mTH5D3Tyb8c?t=98

This is fake news - Albert Bourla got the covid vaccine already.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/30/fact-check-pfizer-ceo-albert-bourla-received-covid-19-vaccine/7028843002/

Why are so many anti vaxxers falling for fake news? It is just a matter of time until the vaccine will be mandatory in all countries.
sr. member
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Albert Bourla Pfizer CEO does not take the poision shot, what a surprise
https://youtu.be/mTH5D3Tyb8c?t=98
legendary
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reprogramming your cells to produce the designer's protein,

there is no reprogramming of cell
the ribosome does not change
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The ribosome is what is being programmed.  The gene is the code which programs it insofar as it dictates what protein the ribosome will produce.

This is very basic stuff.  So basic that almost anyone can understand it and thus see through your techno-babble very easily if they choose to take a few seconds to do so.  You should up your game just a little bit at least.

legendary
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reprogramming your cells to produce the designer's protein,

there is no reprogramming of cell
the ribosome does not change

if you cant understand science. look in your kitchen
if a recipe says get a cup of water. the cup does not change.
if a recipe says put ingredients together. the bowl does not change
if a recipe says put it in the oven. the oven does not change

a oven does not change into a meat grinder. its still an oven
a oven does not change into a meat patty mold. its still an oven

the recipe only works if it uses what already exists.
the recipe is created to function using the bodies natural machinery

making a cake does not mean you have to change any kitchen appliance into a new device

.. now i really hope you atleast know how yo make some basic food in your kitchen to understand reality of how things work

every human has a ribosome. there is no need to change it or create a ribosome to then produce the protein
the mRNA does not have the lengthy complex code to change or make a new ribosome
hero member
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gene therapy involves passing a cells nucleus membrane and changing the DNa inside

mRNA doesnt go into the nucleus. it goes into the ribosome
mRNa doesnt change the gene in the nucleus

mRNA vaccine instruction is to get the ribosome to do some protein creating

if anything its protein generative therapy..
not gene therapy

LEARN THE DIFFERENCE

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gene is a basic unit of heredity and a sequence of nucleotides in DNA or RNA that encodes the synthesis of a gene product

mRNA vaccine makes proteins not more rna/gna genes..

heck if you cant even get it right where the proteins are made(ribosome not nucleus) then maybe you need to go back to highschool..


if you like analogies
imagine your sisters home.. and there is a yard with a cow in it
gene therapy is invading your sisters home going to her bedroom and imbreeding to produce an imbred offspring that based on you and your sisters genes (yes i feel you can atleast understand this scenario)

mrna vaccine goes to the yard and cuts up the cow to make protein burgers
I highly doubt that he even knows what a ribosome is. Anyway, I've also read how mRNA vaccines work, and they are way more advanced than the traditional vaccines we had as kids. However, I don't see much use to even try explaining that to anti-vaxxers, they believe what they want to believe. On top of that, he is discriminating against vaccinated people, but at the same time claiming that we are pressuring our opinion on him.
it doesnt edit YOUR genes
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If they are inserted into your cells and reprogramming your cells to produce the designer's protein, they are 'your genes' in that sense.

In a legal sense, the genes are actually owned by the patent holder who can also exercise some legal claim over the cells operating on their program.  In other words, 'you' as a newly minted trans-human.


Anyway, you are free to believe whatever you want, science has spoken, and I highly doubt that you have more knowledge than those who have spend years of studying and research, only for you to prove them wrong.
legendary
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it doesnt edit YOUR genes
...

If they are inserted into your cells and reprogramming your cells to produce the designer's protein, they are 'your genes' in that sense.

In a legal sense, the genes are actually owned by the patent holder who can also exercise some legal claim over the cells operating on their program.  In other words, 'you' as a newly minted trans-human.

legendary
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it doesnt edit YOUR genes

you really are pulling at straws trying to find any small twiglet of way to think of it as gene therapy
but its not. injecting the vaccine does not do any editing to your genes. so no gene therapy to you

it lacks the enzymes that pass through the nucleus barrier.
it lacks the tRNA and the other rna parts that would slice and dice your dna
the mRNA is just a messenger instruction to make a protein.. in the ribosome

there is no transcription/replication instructions..
there is no gene splicing instructions
there is no gene combining instruction
legendary
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its not GENE editing. so not gene therapy
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There is no doubt that there was gene editing.  They (claim to have) took genes sequenced in China and transmitted electronically, made some gene edits for the generated spike protein to hold certain unusual states longer, encapsulated the edited genes in lipid nano-particles, and had a fluid ready for injection in just two days.  Damn these guys are fast!  'They' being Moderna in this case.

legendary
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your body produces the immunity.. always has. no vaccine is about providing immunity.
its about triggering the bodies immunity in a safer way than a virus would

and again to really try geting you to open your closed mind

its not GENE editing. so not gene therapy
at most its protein generating therapy
legendary
Activity: 4690
Merit: 1276
gene therapy involves passing a cells nucleus membrane and changing the DNa inside

mRNA doesnt go into the nucleus. it goes into the ribosome
mRNa doesnt change the gene in the nucleus

mRNA vaccine instruction is to get the ribosome to do some protein creating

if anything its protein generative therapy..  ...


That's gene therapy.
 
Since the substance doesn't provide 'immunity', it's not a 'vaccine';  Recipients of the substance can still contract, culture in vitro, and pass on the viral infection to others.  All the thing does is 'lessen mild to moderate symptoms', and even that is nothing more than a claim made by the makers of the substance, and at best their research was skimmed by corrupt bureaucrats who get paid to stamp things.  Ergo, it is a 'therapy'.  The argument that it is a 'medical device' probably also has some merit.

legendary
Activity: 4396
Merit: 4755
gene therapy involves passing a cells nucleus membrane and changing the DNa inside

mRNA doesnt go into the nucleus. it goes into the ribosome
mRNa doesnt change the gene in the nucleus

mRNA vaccine instruction is to get the ribosome to do some protein creating

if anything its protein generative therapy..
not gene therapy

LEARN THE DIFFERENCE

Quote
gene is a basic unit of heredity and a sequence of nucleotides in DNA or RNA that encodes the synthesis of a gene product

mRNA vaccine makes proteins not more rna/gna genes..

heck if you cant even get it right where the proteins are made(ribosome not nucleus) then maybe you need to go back to highschool..


if you like analogies
imagine your sisters home.. and there is a yard with a cow in it
gene therapy is invading your sisters home going to her bedroom and imbreeding to produce an imbred offspring that based on you and your sisters genes (yes i feel you can atleast understand this scenario)

mrna vaccine goes to the yard and cuts up the cow to make protein burgers
legendary
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A 'gene' has been a sequence of nucleotides on a nucleic acid framework since I was in highschool.  DNA or RNA doesn't matter.  It's funny to see Forbes try to do an emergency marketing redefinition of this basic science term.  Someone should tell them to have their operatives with a wikipedia commit-bit do their part first at least.

Even if they can get their re-definition of what a 'gene' is done, it only helps for the mRNA gene therapy (Moderna, Pfizer.)  Most of the rest (J&J, AstraZeneca, Sputnic-V, etc) are DNA gene therapies.  The only common ones which are not gene therapy are Sinovac, Sinopharm, and Bhah-whatever from India.)  At least if the Chinese and Indian makers can be trusted which is doubtful.

Anyway, the other side you mentioned is the side of the vaccinated which is very easy to understand because it was already concised, and summarized in many different ways, plus the reference can be looked upon in different researches that will support the claims. On the other side, it is very confusing as there are different claims here and there, and also debunking here and there. sooooo, okay, it is what it is

It's 'easy to understand' because they are free to say whatever they want, and they dumb it down for sheeple.  The only challenge is to stay on top of the flip-flops.  And, for people like me, the art of double-think where I try to hold multiple conflicting set of knows simultaneously.

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Severe vaccine side effects are only a rare occurrence, it's only a few cases, compared to the million of deaths in the world, by Covid-19. Those statistics you are claiming about vaccines, are way too insignificant, if you compare them to Covid-19 related deaths, but conspiracy theorists use them to point their finger at vaccinations.

If you trust the people telling you that, fine.  Go get your gene therapy if you like.  Just don't participate in pressuring me to make a different decision.  Doing so makes you someone who is assaulting me and posing a threat to me and my family.  Hopefully there will be an opportunity to balance the books in a fair and impartial court (Nuremberg-II) and you'll hopefully be categorized as just a duped fool rather than a higher level player.  If this does not happen things get progressively more ugly.

You're making a request of not pressuring you to take the vaccine, while giving a negative description to people who got vaccinated is weird.

That doesn't actually make any sense.

Even though I don't actually feel comfortable having vaxxed people around my house because their are still some unknowns about the whole gene therapy spreading issue, I still don't discriminate against them.  I don't mind telling people my reasons for my choices, and in fact I consider it something of a duty.

As for listening to 'the other side', I don't mind doing it but it's not really very equitable because the details of 'your side' is well known and can be picked up just by listening to any corporate media outlet for 10 minutes.  It is utterly contentless for the purposes of doing analysis because there are almost never any links to real science, and when there are it says the opposite of that the barkers are saying when one bothers to read it.  There is not anything very interesting to learn unless one is analyzing at a lower level how they are hypnotizing the sheeple.



Gene therapy? vaccine? I've read that somewhere, so I browse some for clarification and viola https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/03/17/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-are-not-gene-therapy-as-some-are-claiming/.

Anyway, the other side you mentioned is the side of the vaccinated which is very easy to understand because it was already concised, and summarized in many different ways, plus the reference can be looked upon in different researches that will support the claims. On the other side, it is very confusing as there are different claims here and there, and also debunking here and there. sooooo, okay, it is what it is
legendary
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Severe vaccine side effects are only a rare occurrence, it's only a few cases, compared to the million of deaths in the world, by Covid-19. Those statistics you are claiming about vaccines, are way too insignificant, if you compare them to Covid-19 related deaths, but conspiracy theorists use them to point their finger at vaccinations.

If you trust the people telling you that, fine.  Go get your gene therapy if you like.  Just don't participate in pressuring me to make a different decision.  Doing so makes you someone who is assaulting me and posing a threat to me and my family.  Hopefully there will be an opportunity to balance the books in a fair and impartial court (Nuremberg-II) and you'll hopefully be categorized as just a duped fool rather than a higher level player.  If this does not happen things get progressively more ugly.

You're making a request of not pressuring you to take the vaccine, while giving a negative description to people who got vaccinated is weird.

That doesn't actually make any sense.

Even though I don't actually feel comfortable having vaxxed people around my house because their are still some unknowns about the whole gene therapy spreading issue, I still don't discriminate against them.  I don't mind telling people my reasons for my choices, and in fact I consider it something of a duty.

As for listening to 'the other side', I don't mind doing it but it's not really very equitable because the details of 'your side' is well known and can be picked up just by listening to any corporate media outlet for 10 minutes.  It is utterly contentless for the purposes of doing analysis because there are almost never any links to real science, and when there are it says the opposite of that the barkers are saying when one bothers to read it.  There is not anything very interesting to learn unless one is analyzing at a lower level how they are hypnotizing the sheeple.

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