Topic: Is it stealing when you get the funds from an address you find? - page 2. (Read 6780 times)

yes i also agree with you that you should be very careful about your security key, because if you lost your key and some one found it, he will not wast the time to take all of your money at once

yes you cannot believe on any one in such case, and you have to keep your key very safe if some one find i do no thing that any one will return it to you. therefore you should very careful about your key.

if you found the address by chance or accidentally then it is not stealing but still it is your moral duty to return the funds to its owner and if you know abut the owner and still do not returning the fund to its owner then it is stealing.

So you guys want to tell me that if I post my private key here no one of you will swipe it if the account ballance is 150 BTC.


LOL.

I don't believe any of you! I think you will all steal it and your action is making your talking invalid!

I would consider it stealing. Wait some time, if the funds aren't messed with for months or years then maybe you can leave with a fat wallet and a clean conscience.

I guess that is stealing because the address that you find is not yours in the first place plus you get the funds inside that address. But i think your not going to jail because of it because you don't know the owner of that address and the owner of that address will not be able to know you because that's how Bitcoin works.

if you are doing robbery in a bank for the reason to get food for you children, i think it is not good, because there are so many organization and charity center from where you can easily get help and cam give food to your children.

if you got the fund accidentally then its ok and it is not stealing but if you still know the person who sent you the bitcoin accidentally and you are not returning his money then it is stealing,

I would say this is a form of stealing because if you find them and they are not yours then you should not touch them because someone left them there and they expect them to be there when they return to them.
It is no different from if it were something on the street or on a park bench.
Let the person have the chance to reclaim what they have left there.

I agree with the first part of your statement but where do you get your logic for the statement i marked in bold?

but i think the band is not responsible for your family, bank is holding the people money and when you will robed it then who will pay to them and the second thing is that the state have the responsibility to provide basic necessity to the people free fo cost therefore you will not be doing right if you are going to robbed a band just for your family.

I think it's not stealing for both cases because I think it wasn't a private property of some previous owner, it just happened he had the priv. keys, and now you also have. I tried to give a better explanation here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/are-bitcoin-private-property-1598043

According to the idea that bitcoins exists in our "minds", what is happening is that you are able to communicate "to the air" and other people will hear that and they will arbitrarily decide to change their memory of the mental blockchain. So you can't be a theft just by saying some words to the air, while you're not taking any private property away from anyone. You are not more blamable than the people who decided to give their interpretation to your meaningless speech, and decided to ignore the (now) useless effort of the previous owner to re-spend his bitcoins.

Let's change the story: what if I'm walking in a mall, then I say something like "it's so could here", but some random guy hears me and thinks I said that I ordered him to go and kill random people. The interpretation he gives to what I said is his own business, I have nothing to do with his actions. But in the bitcoin case, the messages aren't "propositional" and there's not even private property aggression, anywhere. So in the bitcoin case I'm far more secure that it's not a wrong-doing.

Well, I think it's ok to think that way IF you consider that btc aren't priv. property. If not, if they are, then yes I would consider it a theft for both cases.

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I very similar situation is when someone wrongly sends you some bitcoin, in a address you didn't expect any donation. Would you send it back? I mean, he could still just be donating random ppl some btc, but its very likely he is not. And if you consider it a donation, then (maybe) you can consider that everyone who participates on the blockchain are also donators to whoever have "their" private addresses.

Yes it is still stealing/theft.

If the postal service delivers a package to you by mistake, and you keep it, you get arrested if you dont give it back..

If someone accidentally deposits money in your bank account and you keep it, you get arrested if you dont pay it back.

If the tax service accidentally gives you a refund to large and you keep it, you get arrested if you dont pay it back.

You sound like a child with absolutely no adult life experience... or you're retarded.

Are you saying that not having evil intentions makes it not illegal?  If my family is starving and I rob a bank it isn't illegal because I am doing it for good?

Your case A is obviously stealing because of your evil intention.   You do everything just to gain something even if you know that it is from the other person.  You exerted effort just to have bitcoins that is not yours.  In case B it is just pure luck.  You have not done anything wrong as it is already in that bitcoin wallet.  But would that happen?  I mean having already a fund with the wallet address that is newly generated?

On your stated cases, case a without a doubt is illegal and can be considered as stealing.  Since you exert more effort to find a bitxoin address with funds in it.  But the good thing is maybe you will not be punished.  The bad side is since you done that it is possible that everyones bitcoin addesses can be steal and were not safe.  Taken from you that you just make efforts in doing so.  In case b, it is just pure luck to have already bitcoins on that newly generated address.

but you take intentionally from some one then ok it is theft but if you have got the amount accidentally then it is not stealing or theft, but still it is your responsibility to return the amount to the person who accidentally sent it to you.

If you found a private key "by accident", you would still need to access the network to "get the funds", which equates to "take something intentionally," therefore it's a crime.

It's functionally no different than finding someones' credit or debit card on the ground with a sticker on it showing their PIN number.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Ans: Both.

The thief stole both your coins and your right to control. Even though you might not be able prove this in court, nemesis has a way of catching up with the culprit.

I think it is not good morally to get someone else bitcoin address as in that there will be someone else bitcoins, and the other point is that that person will also have control on that address so he will also be able to get your coins.