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Topic: Is it stealing when you get the funds from an address you find? - page 3. (Read 6780 times)

sr. member
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No matter what scenario you spin, they're not your coins, so yes, it's theft.
if you got it accidentally then it is not stealing, stealing is some thing when you take something intentionally without getting permission from the owner of that thing, therefore to me we cannot consider it stealing if you found something accidentally,  but still it is your responsibility to return it to its owner.
full member
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if you know about the owner of the address then it can be consider it as stealing, but if you do not know about the owner of the address from where you get fund the it may not be consider as stealing.
legendary
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Anything you find by chance is not stealing unless you intent to return it to the original owner.In case you find an address that have funds,finding original owner is difficult so you can just abondon it.
sr. member
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well good for you if got its private key. well its stealing though, i just feel sorry to the one you stole the bitcoins. haha. well thats life, theres a hacker and theres someone who got hacked. then cycle again. but if its by accident or you receive funds on a random address. it luck! Cheesy
it its luck if you got fund accidentally, but it will more good if you return the fund to the person who sent you the fund accidentally because he will not be feeling good, and will be in tensing for losing his money.
newbie
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well good for you if got its private key. well its stealing though, i just feel sorry to the one you stole the bitcoins. haha. well thats life, theres a hacker and theres someone who got hacked. then cycle again. but if its by accident or you receive funds on a random address. it luck! Cheesy
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for both case A and B, i think this is stealing. for case A, you are really stealing that funds. for case B, its stealing  because its belong to someone wallet address but not pure stealing because we only found the funds on the wallet address by an accidentally. its up to you, what you want to do with that funds. better you generate other wallet address if this is make you feel alright and not feel that you are stealing somebody funds.
full member
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if some one sent you funds accidentally, you are not responsible for that but if you know the person or address and still you are not returning his bitcoin then it can be consider as stealing,
hero member
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Yeah thats stealing bitcoin if you get the funds from the address you bruteforce and hack..
So we will say that its stealing and its one of the bad thing if you are in real life doing it in other people you can be arrested by police..
I would say so because bruteforce hack is just as if they broke into a safe full of money with dynamite or plastic (the safe bomb material that they use in the movies. Wink ).
They should be fully charged to the extent of the law if that is the case.
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Yes, it's stealing and I will tell you why

Imagine that if your house door is closed and someone find key and opened it and take all money from it, what will you say, isn't it stealing? Yes, it's still stealing but thief isn't very guilty here.

I will say that whatever chance you have, you mustn't steal enything, even one cent because no one likes same action if he/she is victim.
legendary
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Yeah thats stealing bitcoin if you get the funds from the address you bruteforce and hack..
So we will say that its stealing and its one of the bad thing if you are in real life doing it in other people you can be arrested by police..
hero member
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I wouldn't say it is.
It is their mistake and if you make a mistake you pay the consequences.
newbie
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I think we can all agree(and everyone seems to have agreed) that morally/ethically it would be stealing. The issue is whether the law sees it as a crime, and this of course depends on the country and local laws. As others have said bitcoin in general is a tricky legal field, we're basically trying to apply centralized regulations and guidelines to a decentralized currency, so this presents a tricky challenge for legislators. Most countries have restricted laws on bitcoin to financial laws, IE, AML/KYC laws.
legendary
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No matter what scenario you spin, they're not your coins, so yes, it's theft.

How about this for scenario, technically there are no coins.
The only thing that exists is the private key which proves right to control.

So... did someone steal your coins, or stole your right to control?

If two of more people have the same right to control, does the existence of having that = legal theft?
If two or more people have the same right to control, how do you prove who had that right first?
How can the law determine how theft occurred in a system where the only knowable is key control?
If the "theft" occurs within the Bitcoin network, how will the average "authorities" investigate it?
How will the "authorities" even know if your claim of "theft" is true, and not a (insurance or other) scam?

Stealing may be stealing, but can someone steal something that you never owned?


hero member
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No matter what scenario you spin, they're not your coins, so yes, it's theft.
newbie
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I think it is also stealing because you know that it is not your money and of someone else, so when you leave that address then the owner will get his/her money.
hero member
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Yes and Yes you are stealing.  This kind of situation gives Bitcoin a bad name and karma will always catch up.  It is not yours.
hero member
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In case A you are acting as a thief or robber and struggling hard to get someone else money(bitcoin) through forbidden ways, so it is illegal and stealing, while in case B , it appeared only by chance ( i don't think that it will ever happen) and you know that these are from someone else, and it is sure that you if leave that address that the owner's bitcoins will be safe, so after that knowing that if you do not leave that address then it will also bestealing and will be forbidden for you.
sr. member
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It's still stealing.  See theft by finding.
I don't know if it's a crime though.  It's a crime for things like wallet with money in it but for bitcoin I have no idea.
and what do you think about bitcoin, bitcoin is also a form of money may be more valuable than any other kind of currency, therefore if stealing of fiat curry is a sin and crime similarly stealing of bitcoin is also a sin. so if you know the person who send you the fund wrongly then it is really a sin and you should return it to him.
full member
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i think some one send it to you wrongly and you know him then it is stealing.
sr. member
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It is stealing, but doesn't matter.  The odds of that happening are so small they are effectively literally zero.
but stealing is a sin either is is just a small amount or a big one. i think we should avoid stealing. and if you got some money from an address wrongly and you know the person or his address and still you are not returning his money it is also a type of stealing.
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