Topic: Is it swell to stamp bitcoin seed Phrase on Titanium Plates? (Read 699 times)

All things can be lost or damaged or destroyed physically or digitally and because of many risks. It's the same for wallet back up methods that are all damageable but different methods will have different levels of security and survival against damaging threats.

Paper is vulnerable with many threats like water, fire, acid and more, metal/ titanium plates are better against these threats but there are catastrophes that can destroy all including wallet backups like massive powerful explosions from bombs, nuclear bombs, earthquakes, tsunamis. When these catastrophes come, we have bigger priority than wallets and need to keep ourselves alive first.

With available different back up methods, we can use some of them for our wallet backups. By making different backups with different methods, and storing these backups at different locations, we have better preparations against unwanted events and increase chance to always have accessible and usable backups.

They definitely differ. Come on, your mnemonic phrase written down on a piece of paper is certainly less secure than if it's stamped on a titanium plate.

You're missing the point if you argue that any backup could be stolen whether it's on a titanium plate or a piece of paper. That's not the point. The point is that it's better if your backup can stand the test of time and other external factors or loss vectors. There are many loss vectors that should be taken into account, not just stealing or negligence or laziness or whatever.

The reason why there's innovation in seed storage devices is to make sure your backup lasts despite a number of negating factors.

Anyway, Jameson Lopp's reviews might be of help.

Some people think stamping the seed phrase into titanium is a great idea but I don't see any difference from using steel or any metal.

You are right, there is nothing wrong with whatever way you store your seeds as long as we can keep them safe and no one knows about it. Whether we choose paper, steel or titanium to stamp seeds will depend on each person's preferences and needs, I don't see any big difference between them. If we use titanium but others can easily find it or we don't preserve it well and lose it, what's the point of using titanium?

Storing seed phrases used to be a headache for many people when they first started, but now it's not so important anymore. Everyone has their own safety methods and they know what works best for them.

Actually, there is nothing wrong with whatever way you store your seeds, with paper or even the titanium that you mentioned, as long as no one knows the meaning of your writing, it will be safe, with titanium, it is actually impossible to lose them if they are not stolen or thrown away, unlike paper or Google Drive.

Writing or printing bitcoin wallet phrases on titanium is a great idea, bro. Because as you explained, titanium is resistant to fire and water. So you can be sure that the wallet phrase we wrote will remain safe even if it is exposed to water or fire. But even so, to be even safer, I think the phrase wallet can be written in various places, such as on paper, on the computer, and also on the cellphone. So, if for example the phrase wallet is only written on one material/media, in my opinion it could be said to be unsafe even though it is written on titanium. Because if we talk in a further direction, for example a natural disaster such as a flood or landslide occurs. Of course, even titanium is still unsafe. Because it is possible that the titanium containing the wallet phrase was carried away by a flood or buried in the ground and of course has the potential to be lost. So, to minimize this, it would certainly be safer to write our wallet phrases on several components and store them in different places. So even if something undesirable happens, it is certain that the wallet phrase we have will remain safe. Apart from that, just in case, checking our wallet phrase after writing it down is something that must be done. This aims to minimize any errors that might occur when writing the wallet phrase. So by checking the wallet phrase after it has been written, we will know if there is an error and we can immediately change it.

Nothing is absolutely safe and nothing lasts forever on Earth. All will be destroyed one way or another, sooner or later.

No wallet back up method has no weakness and no backup will last forever. No location will be safe forever so make sure you have different  back up methods to use, and have different wallet backups to use, as well as make sure you store your wallet backups at different locations.

Beyond that, make sure you let at least one person who you love most and believe most, to inform them where you store your wallet backups, and teach them how to use the backup for wallet recovery.

Of course if you trust no one, has no one to inherit your bitcoin, you don't have to do this step; though if you have such person, let's make sure that person will be able to inherit your bitcoin if you pass away.

How to set up Bitcoin inheritance with different methods. Going with non custodial method is safest in my opinion.

Online or offline storage, do we use paper, steel or titanium for storage...is there any method that is absolutely safe? Every storage method has its pros and cons, no method is perfect enough to be able to withstand every risk in this world. So in my opinion, let's use the method that best suits our situation and I believe that is the best solution instead of following other people's ideas when they don't suit us.

Using titanium to stamp the seed phrase isn't bad either but I find it unnecessary and just adds cost instead of giving us more security . As some have said: the safety of the seed phrase will depend on its privacy to others and being kept in the safest place, not just on the type of metal we use .

Then let's start buying some titanium plate then, hahaha.

One thing is missing I believe, while the titanium plate can withstand fire and other natural disaster, we have to make sure we don't lose it, because it is possible that after a natural disaster occurs suddenly you can still lose the plate, maybe you forget to take them along while running for your life or in the midst of surviving that disaster you misplaced the plate.

This is inevitable as we are all human, anything can happen, imagine a big hurricane is in sight and you are miles away from home, maybe at work and you kept this  titanium plate somewhere in your house, the nature disaster could have struck hard before you get home, and that's it, now you have to start going through all dirt and shits in your street looking for a plate.

The sad part is someone can get to it first before you, and since the words are still intact you can lose all your Bitcoin, sometimes when I think about this world, the unfair part is the most possible outcome of everything, always be ready.

Securing seed phrase is the biggest task of hodling Bitcoin because the safety of your coins depends on it. Whether the seed phrase is written on pieces of papers, engraved on titanium plates or steel plates, hiding it in secured locations is the most important thing. Engraving it on titanium will guide it against natural and man made disasters but it can be at risk of another person finding it before you do. Anybody that's into cryptocurrency will immediately know that it's seed phrase and can steal your coins. I think that the most important thing no matter the method that you choose to hide your seed phrase is to secure it in more than one location.

It can also be stored in a capsule like necklace if you want to have it on yourself all the time. I think no one will suspect of it containing seed phrase although stamping the seed phrase to a metal is definitely much more effective against disaster but what others suggested like having more than one backup in different locations is what I definitely want to do. Anyway, people have different ideas and ways to create a backup of the seed phrase.

The important thing during securing your seed is that it shouldn't be lost anyway or touched by an unathorized person. It's good if your seed could be written on a titanium plate. But it should be done only by you, if not, then it won't be secure anymore. Otherwise, it would be like you print a paper with seeds from a computer shop. However, we can keep secure paper seed in multiple secure places. In case one is lost or damaged, another should be secured. Just need to make sure seeds are safe from any other person. 

Titanium is hands down the best metal material you can get for seed phrase backup, but stainless steel washers will also do the job just fine.
If you want to check testing of different metal backup solutions I suggest checking out Jameson Lopp website with reviews.
https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/

People have different ways to back up wallets and they're free to pick methods that are best for them.

The most common mistake in thinking and practice of people, in wallet backups, is they believe that this method is best and think that if they back up wallet with this best method, their wallet backup will be safe, and their bitcoin will be safe completely.

Let's analyze what's wrong here.

For sake of safety of your wallet backups and your bitcoins, you must have usable backups in catastrophe. As most as possible, at the end you need an usable backup and if you have it, your bitcoin is safe.

Return to different wallet back up methods, there are disadvantages and threats that can damage those backups to conditions of unusable or destroy backups completely. To avoid such catastrophe, you need multiple back up methods, and need to store backups in different locations. Because catastrophe is very unlikely to happen everywhere in a nation or everywhere on Earth.

This is a new information to me despite Charls-Tim said it's an old news that has been discussed before. it's very important to have a well secured way of keeping our seed phrase to avoid unforseen circumstances like flood and Fire outbreak. it may not be total safe because it's nature make it easy to hack, but we would apply with caution. So  For security reasons, on no account should someone allow another person to punch or inscript this words for him on the titanium plate. Because allowing another person to do it for you is still subjected to insecurity expecially if the person in question knows about seed phrase.

It's essential to try and do it yourself, you are totally right.
It's not that hard to try out.

People have to think of how they store their backups in metal plate forms before buying these plates for their backups. I agree with you that at the end, how backups are stored safely and secretly to keep them safely from damaging threats like water, fire, acid, ... and out of curious and greed eyes matters.

Backups can be made in any format, digital, physical, paper, plate, whatever but if you fail to secure your backups and let it destroyed or stolen, you lose your bitcoin.

It's a good advice and for further advice, I recommend

How to back up a seed phrase. Newbies need to read it till the end and pay their attention on note that has an important reminder, test your back up.

I mean what matters the most is the privacy of your seed phrase. If you get it stamped in a titanium plate and still it's accessible by anyone in your family or work place, it's waste of money.
What I suggest is to have multiple backups, this way you will have nothing to worry about but it also brings the first point (privacy) a void. Just make sure to keep it safe and Titanium plates or stainless steel ones are always better than paper.

Of course nobody is letting anybody do that, with the aid of appropriate tools—the stamping is childsplay. I saw photos of kids trying it out, the predicted time for stamping all the phrases is just about 15-30 minutes. Isn't it healthy to sweat over securing your hard earned bitcoin?

I have never used titanium to stamp seed phrases but I don't think it is so expensive that people should hesitate to spend the money. I agree with pooya87, I also find it overkill so not many people use it. I think this choice has more to do with people's preferences and aesthetics than they focus on safety and price. Because steel is also good enough to give us the best level of safety, not inferior to materials like titanium.

Also, as some people have mentioned. In addition to choosing a good material to stamp your seed phrase, it is equally important to have multiple backups and keep them in different locations in case of unexpected incidents.