I heard about that company. They often advertise on simply bitcoin podcast. I feel like it's a good idea to use titanium plates for your seed. It's a bit of an overkill, but can you be too safe?
There are other options that may be as good, for instance a piece of paper inside a steel, threaded, water-tight tube. You put the tube in a safe spot, for instance in a hole drilled into your floor or basement wall and there's no way it can be found or destroyed.
Topic: Is it swell to stamp bitcoin seed Phrase on Titanium Plates? - page 3. (Read 704 times)
September 08, 2024, 02:13:17 PM
September 08, 2024, 02:11:09 PM
Encrypt it and then print it / stamp it - there's no reason to have it in plain text, you can always share password to your trusted family members if you are afraid of dying and not leaving any access to it.
There is no standard for that, which is why it's a recipe for disaster, just like every other unsupported, self-invented ad hoc solution. The first problem that comes to mind is that you need to keep this encrypted text somewhere digitally, because it is not human-readable. Then, you have to explain the encryption process to your family. If you don't want from the thief to gain access with just the twelve words, just use the BIP39 passphrase. Extends the phrase, is human-readable and is widely supported by Bitcoin software.
September 08, 2024, 01:55:49 PM
While for the guy in here showing it in a plate showing text, the only way to save it like you should, is to take it in a safe that you are the only owner of it.
Safes are worthless, didn't you hear about robbers using chains to rip the safe out of your home using car ? or using angle saw ? and if you don't have a gun, they will use the famous $5 dollar wrench attack.
Encrypt it and then print it / stamp it - there's no reason to have it in plain text, you can always share password to your trusted family members if you are afraid of dying and not leaving any access to it.
September 08, 2024, 01:51:37 PM
You should never have your seed phrase stored in plain text, that's plain stupid.
Well I am bold or at least I have a huge amount of faith in my Linux machine and that is why I keep my seeds as I have many wallets in a text document, yeah plain text in a separate partition encrypted with LUKS (Linux equivalent to Bitlocker in Windows let's say) and so far no incident every has happened to me. Just to be sure I also make a backup of that partition which is a normal partition that does not contain any OS data, so if my machine crashes (only when SSD will crash as Linux never crashes) I can reinstall to a new SSD and then add the encrypted partition. I still consider this a plain text thing though yet I am proud in having 0 incidents since late 2013 when I first came into contact with crypto. I am also the only person to use my machine which is never shared with anyone else.
While for the guy in here showing it in a plate showing text, the only way to save it like you should, is to take it in a safe that you are the only owner of it.
September 08, 2024, 01:32:43 PM
You should never have your seed phrase stored in plain text, that's plain stupid.
September 08, 2024, 01:31:25 PM
I came in contact with some X users who already do this, and it looked amazing to me, they even tested the Titanium plates on water and tried burning it on fire, but the plate was still elegant with the seed phrase intact. Bearing in mind of the vulnerability that comes with saving our seed phrase on mere papers, this technique can secure our seed even when they is a fire outbreak, flood, or any natural disaster that paper can't withstand.
I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...
Check out the page they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.
I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...
Check out the page they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.
Ya I’d say definitely worth it to have this done just in case something happens. Any natural disaster or fire that can wipe out anything in its way it’s always best to have a Plan B
September 08, 2024, 12:55:00 PM
A paper seed phrase no one knows about is safer than a titanium seed phrase you brag about on X 
This seriously blows my mind. What kind of people openly give any information about their private key or seed phrase. That seems like a challenge for motivated criminals.When i had money in crypto, i just told everyone who knew i was in crypto that i had lost my all of money. I feel that it doesn't make sense to brag about your money or giving any extra information about your safety measures for it.
Sure, people don't know where that plate is, and it might as well be stored in the bank safety box, but given it's titanium, they are considering a fire as a possibility, which indicates that it's stored in somewhere where it's their own responsibility.
It's no bragging right to own a titanium plate, the tweets on there were made for awareness, and possibly for people who do not feel comfortable about their paper wallet getting confiscated wherever it is by fire or water, to advance on to using Titanium plates. This is not to say that anybody would know where it's going to be stored.
Be that as it may, whatever method (paper, titanium, washers) that seem protective for any crypto user is fine, provided they're kept safe, but if you're thinking of saving those keys for generational wealth—writing it on paper is not advisable.
A paper seed phrase no one knows about is safer than a titanium seed phrase you brag about on X
This seriously blows my mind. What kind of people openly give any information about their private key or seed phrase. That seems like a challenge for motivated criminals.When i had money in crypto, i just told everyone who knew i was in crypto that i had lost my all of money. I feel that it doesn't make sense to brag about your money or giving any extra information about your safety measures for it.
Sure, people don't know where that plate is, and it might as well be stored in the bank safety box, but given it's titanium, they are considering a fire as a possibility, which indicates that it's stored in somewhere where it's their own responsibility.
I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...
Having your seed phrase engraved on titanium plates does not guarantee the safety of your seed phrase if you don't have backups in different locations very far from each other. This is because no one knows the kind of natural disaster that will occur which will make give you no access to your seed phrase. It is more safer when there are duplicates either you writing it on paper or titanium/steel plate.
A paper seed phrase no one knows about is safer than a titanium seed phrase you brag about on X
It is a good back up method and if you have money to buy these things, it's good to use it because it is safer than paper, USB stick against fire, water, shock, pressure and acid too.
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There are already very good tutorials and videos about how to protect one's seed phrase using steel instead of paper.
In my opinion, it is not one hundred percent necessary to go with titanium, not only because it is relatively expensive when compared to steel but there are also very good grades of stainless steel which are used in industrial processes and can withstand sea water and mild accids easily in the long term.
Look up for "A4-80" steel, it is very good for engraving ones private keys and also it is the kind of steel one could find easily in one's country in the form of washers, regardless it is developed or developing.
When comes to separating or hiding one's keys, I would be comfortable by getting at least two copies of the seed, one for personal use/recovery, which is supposed to be easily accessed to and another copy, which would be hidden in a secure place, geologically far away from home; the latter would be divided, so one would only need to remember the locations to recover the pieces of the plate.
In my opinion, it is not one hundred percent necessary to go with titanium, not only because it is relatively expensive when compared to steel but there are also very good grades of stainless steel which are used in industrial processes and can withstand sea water and mild accids easily in the long term.
Look up for "A4-80" steel, it is very good for engraving ones private keys and also it is the kind of steel one could find easily in one's country in the form of washers, regardless it is developed or developing.
When comes to separating or hiding one's keys, I would be comfortable by getting at least two copies of the seed, one for personal use/recovery, which is supposed to be easily accessed to and another copy, which would be hidden in a secure place, geologically far away from home; the latter would be divided, so one would only need to remember the locations to recover the pieces of the plate.
It's a pretty good protection actually but people should be aware of the false sense of security. Because you're more likely to lose it somewhere or to get robbed than to undergo an earthquake or a flood in most places of Earth. In addition if this kind of disaster happens to you or if you get a fire of your home, you have very little chance of finding the plate among the debris. So IMO it's better to keep several backups in different locations. And to use a BIP39 passphrase ofc or to encrypt your seed in a way or another to avoid a theft from anyone finding your backup.
It wouldn't mean much if another gets access to it.
But in all it would help mitigate the disadvantage of using paper in saving seed phrase.
Though it would be more complex and strenuous than using paper but I guess that would be the sacrifice for durability and longevity.
But in all it would help mitigate the disadvantage of using paper in saving seed phrase.
Though it would be more complex and strenuous than using paper but I guess that would be the sacrifice for durability and longevity.
We have some discussions about this in the past on this forum. Titanium remains the best material that has been discussed while stainless steel is the next. They are both good.
But still always have backups in different locations, like 2 other backups.
But still always have backups in different locations, like 2 other backups.
I came in contact with some X users who already do this, and it looked amazing to me, they even tested the Titanium plates on water and tried burning it on fire, but the plate was still elegant with the seed phrase intact. Bearing in mind of the vulnerability that comes with saving our seed phrase on mere papers, this technique can secure our seed even when they is a fire outbreak, flood, or any natural disaster that paper can't withstand.
I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...
Check out the page they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.
I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...
Check out the page they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.
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