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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 26, 2024, 04:16:36 PM

First of all, could you share the source of the news? I think it will be better if you share the link of the news. Wink

Anyway, which government to be shared by Telegram? Will Telegram to share the data of each user to every government in the world?

If you are a criminal, and governments send their requests to Telegram, Telegram will share your phone number and IP addresses to governments. One or two governments request this information, it's case to case basis.

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Telegram to Provide More User Data to Governments After CEO’s Arrest
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🔎 Search on Telegram is more powerful than in other messaging apps because it allows users to find public channels and bots. Unfortunately, this feature has been abused by people who violated our Terms of Service to sell illegal goods.

💪 Over the last few weeks, a dedicated team of moderators, leveraging AI, has made Telegram Search much safer. All the problematic content we identified in Search is no longer accessible. If you still manage to find something unsafe or illegal in Telegram Search, please report it to us via @SearchReport.

🚫 To further deter criminals from abusing Telegram Search, we have updated our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, ensuring they are consistent across the world. We’ve made it clear that the IP addresses and phone numbers of those who violate our rules can be disclosed to relevant authorities in response to valid legal requests.

☝️ These measures should discourage criminals. Telegram Search is meant for finding friends and discovering news, not for promoting illegal goods. We won't let bad actors jeopardize the integrity of our platform for almost a billion users.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 24, 2024, 08:52:18 AM

The latest news concerning the arrest of Telegram CEO now is that Telegram will share users IP addresses and phone numbers to the governments when legally required.

First of all, could you share the source of the news? I think it will be better if you share the link of the news. Wink

Anyway, which government to be shared by Telegram? Will Telegram to share the data of each user to every government in the world?
Honestly, it is not really clear for me. But I can understand that it will be never safe to share any private data to social media platform, including Telegram.

If telegram only share the data of IP address, I think it is no problem. Even telegram doesn't share it to government, they government will easily know it. But sharing the phone numbers to the government, it seems a bit annoying. No sure why telegram wants to share this kind of information. Is telegram a part of government platform now? Undecided

Quote from: Outhue on September 24, 2024, 08:52:18 AM

Do you think it is the end for anything privacy in crypto space?

I don't think so. There will be still a chance of privacy in crypto space as long as it isn't fully controlled by the government. Even we may have less of our privacy, but it doesn't destroy fully by the government. At least, the government will never know how much we hold cryptos. And what crypto coins we are holding. The government still has no way to know this.

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Quote from: Porfirii on September 26, 2024, 03:00:21 PM

But it seems that you are defending the Nothing to hide argument, and IMO privacy is valuable per se. Of course, I don't want terrorists, pedos and other criminals do what they want, but opening a backdoor that enables all kind of governments, not only democratic ones, and who knows if enterprises too, monitor the conversations of millions of people is risky too.

I get how important it is to keep some things private, not because I'm hiding bad things, but because we all deserve to keep our personal things safe and protected from people who are most likely going to take advantage of them and put our security in jeopardy. But hey, Telegram is not a decentralized platform and there's no promise that our information will nothing shared with a third party or that it is not already being shared with a third party. In my estimation we are all being watched as long as we have an electronic device that connects to the internet. We can't deny that. It is just that we haven't become a person of interest to being to feel threatened.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 24, 2024, 11:43:22 AM

I don't care. The only people who would care about the release of their information to the government by Telegram are those who use the platform to perpetrate all types of scams and those who are thriving in it. Aside that I am sure those who are on the platform because of airdrop hunting don't care. One thing is for sure though and that it any other platform that may have the clause that they will share users information with third party and you know what because we don't read their privacy document we wouldn't know.

But it seems that you are defending the Nothing to hide argument, and IMO privacy is valuable per se. Of course, I don't want terrorists, pedos and other criminals do what they want, but opening a backdoor that enables all kind of governments, not only democratic ones, and who knows if enterprises too, monitor the conversations of millions of people is risky too.

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Quote from: Bitcoin Smith on September 24, 2024, 04:11:10 PM

The whole drama around Telegram is getting too complicated and I don't think the government really care about any users losing money they don't want mostly used app to allow that feature from my perspective.

That's just the simple and bitter truth: when Telegram was not having the population that it has now, there was not an attack that came to the CEO directly.

The government doesn't go for small organisations; they wait for it until it grows big. That's when they hit. They just want to have their eyes all over everyone that's making use of any social space at all times, not because they want to protect their citizens from being defrauded but because they want to stop every movement that each user makes.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 25, 2024, 07:17:56 AM

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100%.
I know that privacy is important to all of us but can we do something about it to be stopped if the government forces Durov to hand over the information of all of the users of Telegram? As long as we're just using it for what it is intended like for messaging and some other apps that you're enjoying to open there, you are clean and nothing to worry about. It's true as well that airdrop people don't care about that. What matters to them is their eligibility and the tokens that they'll get from participating in it. They can dispose of their accounts if they want to anytime, very likely.

Telegram is not the last manager that can be anonymous. Now many sites that are dedicated to privacy on the Internet post a lot of alternative messengers. I think the fact that the government forced Pavel Durov to disclose the IP addresses of some people, scammers, or criminals in their opinion, will simply force all the other scammers to move to other resources.
As for small figures who are supposedly worried about their anonymity, participating in airdrops, it is unlikely that they are of interest to anyone at all, and on the other hand, their social networks have already put their fingerprints everywhere a hundred times, and there is no problem connecting them.

That's right, the scammers at least have this idea now and probably going to relocate somewhere else and that's to the ones that don't have that much attention from the government. But it's just sad that this is what they're going to do until they're not caught. So, to those that are engaged with airdrops but don't want their privacy to be revealed then it is better for these folks to stop using telegram and just go out with the typical messaging apps that they use because there's already records of online footprints and as well as activities that they've done in the past.

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 25, 2024, 07:17:56 AM

Likewise, OP, you can continue to follow anonymous coins, but you should not buy them.

In the past, I mostly hear people tell about buying anonymous coins but with the strictness of the government, it's better to leave them untouched so I agree.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 24, 2024, 08:52:18 AM

The latest news concerning the arrest of Telegram CEO now is that Telegram will share users IP addresses and phone numbers to the governments when legally required.

The question that pop up in my head is will privacy and anonymity flourish in the crypto space at all? I don't care about anything else that this man did, what he created or invented is what's causing this problem presently.

Also majority of new privacy coins are not just doing well, I've watched few since 2022 but man, they seem abandoned due to lack of interest.

Do you think it is the end for anything privacy in crypto space?

Would you advice anyone to start making their IP addresses because of these issues with the governments?

Well I get to used by providing now my identity to reliable platform so this news is not new to me. The government ask this so there's nothing we can do about it. Although we want to be private but this is the way how to combat online frauds or any other illegal activity.

For now I don't feel anything pressure regarding on the activities do and so far I still feel the freedom since I can do what I want online. If government limiting the access or dictate us what to do maybe for that I will feel bad regarding on things they do.

For now I don't see this act as the end of freedom since maybe this is the counteraction of possible tracking of some illegal activities happening in that platfrom.

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It's maybe not the end, but the beginning instead. All people with concerns about privacy will look for a new platform more decentralized and more private. So maybe one better than Telegram will appear fortunately. I think with the progress of AI new decentralized schemes and technologies will appear, and app like Telegram will be able to become fully decentralized and safe for all users. Authorities won't be able to stop that.

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First of all, Telegram is a messaging app regardless of some special features that makes it unique from other messaging apps even though people are using it for some crypto related activities now and moreover, the rate of scams on telegram is becoming too much. Inasmuch as I don't support the idea of the France government arresting Pavel Durov since most of her citizens uses Telegram, but privacy should be allowed and protected at all cost because with the way scams are going rampart now everyone need adequate security measures.

However, I don't think that crypto is losing it's privacy just that since the government doesn't benefit directly from cryptocurrency, hence their so much concern about being involved in the process but i don't think there's need to panic too much because cryptocurrencies are still in developing stages but as soon as it's adoption becomes a reality, the government cannot continue to witch-hunt those who seeks for privacy.

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Quote from: OmegaStarScream on September 24, 2024, 08:55:53 AM

The reality is that the majority of Telegram users (crypto users or not) do not care. They use the app because its available on multiple platforms, and because it's superior to WhatsApp and other alternatives. Not because Telegram does not share their private data. I doubt anyone has read the privacy policy to start with.

As for privacy coins, then I think XMR is doing just fine. I mean given that many exchanges banned the coin.

Yeah you are right many users of telegram wallets are airdrop farmers especially ever since telegram became a platform for airdrop farming so many of these wallet users really don't care.

Come to think of it, what do they have to lose, they literally didn't buy many of those coins so they are likely not bothered about it.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 24, 2024, 08:52:18 AM

The latest news concerning the arrest of Telegram CEO now is that Telegram will share users IP addresses and phone numbers to the governments when legally required.

The question that pop up in my head is will privacy and anonymity flourish in the crypto space at all? I don't care about anything else that this man did, what he created or invented is what's causing this problem presently.

Also majority of new privacy coins are not just doing well, I've watched few since 2022 but man, they seem abandoned due to lack of interest.

Do you think it is the end for anything privacy in crypto space?

Would you advice anyone to start making their IP addresses because of these issues with the governments?

Telegram company has been on fight with some government not today, I don't think this has nothing to with crypto if not for the new telegram mini games people are now playing to get the airdrop reward to get paid, there is nothing there to talk about crypto. Telegram was considered to be private unlike WhatsApp that claim messages are encrypted and the rest like Facebook, they share information if the government request them because there is a back door for the government of some countries but telegram refused all these process which is why some government thinks telegram is hidding criminals and supporting money laundering and terrorism.

However, since the France government has taken it serious and refuse to leave the founder it is now a big problem to them and I think it was because of these crypto mini games that gave them that attention again and all I can say that there is no really privacy in crypto because if Dogs conducted their aidrop and they could know when a user register there account because distribution was done based on the date registered, then there is no privacy in the first place as they claimed.

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Quote from: tabas on September 24, 2024, 05:15:23 PM

100%.
I know that privacy is important to all of us but can we do something about it to be stopped if the government forces Durov to hand over the information of all of the users of Telegram? As long as we're just using it for what it is intended like for messaging and some other apps that you're enjoying to open there, you are clean and nothing to worry about. It's true as well that airdrop people don't care about that. What matters to them is their eligibility and the tokens that they'll get from participating in it. They can dispose of their accounts if they want to anytime, very likely.

Telegram is not the last manager that can be anonymous. Now many sites that are dedicated to privacy on the Internet post a lot of alternative messengers. I think the fact that the government forced Pavel Durov to disclose the IP addresses of some people, scammers, or criminals in their opinion, will simply force all the other scammers to move to other resources.
As for small figures who are supposedly worried about their anonymity, participating in airdrops, it is unlikely that they are of interest to anyone at all, and on the other hand, their social networks have already put their fingerprints everywhere a hundred times, and there is no problem connecting them.
Likewise, OP, you can continue to follow anonymous coins, but you should not buy them.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 24, 2024, 08:52:18 AM

Would you advice anyone to start making their IP addresses because of these issues with the governments?

What the heck are you talking about? Roll Eyes

You can't ''make'' your IP address, you can only try to hide it with using vpn, but telegram is also sharing and leaking your phone number needed for registration.
Telegram was never actually private at all, nothing is really encrypted in chats, and I don't even trust their secret chats shady encryption.
Durov is a part of the whole system, and his arrest was just one big circus show for the masses that don't care so much about privacy anyway.
Good alternative for telegram is SimpleX chat.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 24, 2024, 11:43:22 AM

I don't care. The only people who would care about the release of their information to the government by Telegram are those who use the platform to perpetrate all types of scams and those who are thriving in it. Aside that I am sure those who are on the platform because of airdrop hunting don't care. One thing is for sure though and that it any other platform that may have the clause that they will share users information with third party and you know what because we don't read their privacy document we wouldn't know.

Telegram is a social media site and I don't think that most people on it will be worried about sharing their information to the government if the need arises. As you noted, people who use telegram for social reasons wouldn't really care much about their privacy there. It's basically for scammers and people who uses telegram for criminal activities. Telegram is not a cryptocurrency so I don't see how it's issues can affect the privacy of a decentralized crypto like Bitcoin. Although I can't deny that governments don't like anything that is related to privacy, they feel intimidated when they don't have control over anything within their sovereignties.

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When I think of privacy forums or platforms, I have never considered telegram to be one. So, the new requirements expected of telegram shouldn't be a big concern to the crypto space. Perhaps, it is because of the reigning telegram based memecoins on the TON network that makes telegram synonymous to cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 24, 2024, 08:52:18 AM

The latest news concerning the arrest of Telegram CEO now is that Telegram will share users IP addresses and phone numbers to the governments when legally required.

It was going to get to this and I’m not too surprised that what the government wanted has been achieved and hence his release. The government will presume you to want to give out anything they can just to handle the activity on your platform. After all, it was a social media platform and all of them are centralized. The interest of them was generated from the inception of crypto into telegram.

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Do you think it is the end for anything privacy in crypto space?

This is not the end of anything privacy in the crypto space. If telegram couldn’t make it, it doesn’t mean other crypto platforms can’t make it.

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Would you advise anyone to start making their IP addresses because of these issues with the governments?

If you’re not into anything illegal there’s nothing to worry about about the government tracking your IP address. Wherever there is crypto, you’ll see some people using that means to take advantage of others or engaging in illegal things, if they can be filtered it’ll be great. But trespassing is what it’ll end up in, which is why it was never encouraged to be so.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 24, 2024, 08:52:18 AM

Do you think it is the end for anything privacy in crypto space?

Would you advice anyone to start making their IP addresses because of these issues with the governments?

Cryptocurrencies had started existing before Telegram was founded. It was just recently that many developers began to use telegram for airdrops and crypto gambling. Bitcoin and other privacy coins are not connected to Telegram, so there is nothing to worry about. It is an attack on the privacy of users of social media platforms.

If you are not comfortable with the new rules, you should stop using Telegram and move to an alternative. You could also adopt any privacy strategy you can to avoid this policy.

Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 24, 2024, 11:43:22 AM

I don't care. The only people who would care about the release of their information to the government by Telegram are those who use the platform to perpetrate all types of scams and those who are thriving in it. Aside that I am sure those who are on the platform because of airdrop hunting don't care. One thing is for sure though and that it any other platform that may have the clause that they will share users information with third party and you know what because we don't read their privacy document we wouldn't know.

Some people care about this new rule because it can be misused. Elon Musk is claiming that the reason X is persecuted in Brazil is because the platform refused to sensor the Liberal Party led by former President Jair Bolsonaro. Corrupt law enforcement agents could also use this opportunity to forcefully charge and exploit users. I don't see this new law as bad because Telegram has been a hive for scammers and illegal trading but my problem is that it can be abused.

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This is neither the first time we are hearing of this kind of targeted arrest on the CEO of a company, The news is still very hot for now, but with time, this will definitely cool off.

And for your question if this is the end of private coins or privacy generally? No. I believe with time, people will device a better way of navigating this type of issues with government, probably, some project CEO may bigan to remain anonymous, This is why Bitcoin is able stand and scale until today else, if government had actually know the man/men behind Bitcoin technology they will have clamped down on them and even kill the whole idea we all are enjoying today, but Satoshi was wise enough to remain anonymous till today.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on September 24, 2024, 11:43:22 AM

I don't care. The only people who would care about the release of their information to the government by Telegram are those who use the platform to perpetrate all types of scams and those who are thriving in it. Aside that I am sure those who are on the platform because of airdrop hunting don't care. One thing is for sure though and that it any other platform that may have the clause that they will share users information with third party and you know what because we don't read their privacy document we wouldn't know.

100%.
I know that privacy is important to all of us but can we do something about it to be stopped if the government forces Durov to hand over the information of all of the users of Telegram? As long as we're just using it for what it is intended like for messaging and some other apps that you're enjoying to open there, you are clean and nothing to worry about. It's true as well that airdrop people don't care about that. What matters to them is their eligibility and the tokens that they'll get from participating in it. They can dispose of their accounts if they want to anytime, very likely.

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Telegram is one of the communication platforms that adopt crypto, but it is not the end of privacy in the crypto space.

What was mentioned in the official channel of Du Rove ^[1] regarding the change in Telegram's Terms of Service might only cause concern for criminals out of the platform’s billion users... Telegram remains a tool for communication, staying updated on the news, crypto project communities, and companies, as well as participating in mini-games and other legitimate activities; these may not force the platform to share the IP or phone number with law enforcement agencies other than users who may violate usage policies. In addition, no important information or data related to crypto wallets should be saved on it, so I do not see any problem with this.

Even privacy coins and the like, despite being fought against, are still active and effective. They can restrict user privacy and fight freedom, but they cannot stop decentralization or prevent it. So, if someone finds this Telegram news disturbing, they can stop using this app.

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