This poll/thread has answered the feedback question very openly and could also be reliable as majority of the voters are highly trusted and are members of the Default Trust since years.
Letting this thing go on for months will not beneficial and might also give people the chance to abuse it ,so i won't be promoting the thread anymore and will probably keep it open for a couple of days,if anyone is interested to share their opinions.
Thanks to the people who voted.
Edit: Locked.
Topic: Is it the nut-shell or the Nut ? you are dealing with. (Read 1964 times)
And hey, I thought I was helping you here.
I don't think i was serious 
Duh 
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completely incomprehensible. 
Edit: thanks for the voting a comment would be appreciated .
The ref link from KWH's feedback, duh? And don't forget the PMs you sent me as well. And hey, I thought I was helping you here.
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I thought I have spoken English but let me ask you in simple English.
You are very kind, thank you for doing this.1) Is your account a bought account ( I am sure of this, so think before saying lie )
Are you sure that you are sure of this question cause if you are sure then why are you asking it ? First you have to promise me that you won't punish me if i say the truth 2) Do you encourage that accounts should be sold with trust ( so the person can scam later ) ? If not then whats your problem
Read The thread.3) Do you think everyone who takes loan should be given a trust ? If so newbies will be bold green too soon
Read The thread.4) Do you thinking when you deal with someone, do you deal with the person or a physical item ?
Read The thread.He already answered them AFAIK.
1) Yes
When 1) Yes
I thought I have spoken English but let me ask you in simple English.
1) Is your account a bought account ( I am sure of this, so think before saying lie )
2) Do you encourage that accounts should be sold with trust ( so the person can scam later ) ? If not then whats your problem
3) Do you think everyone who takes loan should be given a trust ? If so newbies will be bold green too soon
4) Do you thinking when you deal with someone, do you deal with the person or a physical item ?
1) Yes
2) No, the trust was acquired after change in ownership
3) It was a significant amount of BTC as a loan
4) What? You mean person or account right?
I believe we trust in a person, not the account they post from.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
Cannot agree more, and why are you so offended if someone doesnt give you +ve trust for the loan dude ?
Moreover we all know your aqccount is a bought account, and someone earlier claimed and proved it, so can you prove that it was not a bought account, yes or no ?
If its a bought account, I myself will too add a -ve trust to you.
By giving trust we trust the body we are dealing with not the IP or the account, we trust the person not the materials.
I thought I have spoken English but let me ask you in simple English.
1) Is your account a bought account ( I am sure of this, so think before saying lie )
2) Do you encourage that accounts should be sold with trust ( so the person can scam later ) ? If not then whats your problem
3) Do you think everyone who takes loan should be given a trust ? If so newbies will be bold green too soon
4) Do you thinking when you deal with someone, do you deal with the person or a physical item ?
I'd say leaving a positive trust after a good transaction is appropriate. It can be always be changed as in OP's example of an account being bought.
whom are you trusting the account or the guy ? with whom are you trading the person or the account ? If you got to know that badbear is the escrow from a newbie account and quickseller is an escrow from badbear's account whom would you choose to stay safe and not to get scammed ?
stay logical ,you will be respected always.
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Bought account giving a negative advice about another bought account. If Hedgy hadn't changed his rules after(I asked him to) he dealt with you, the only trust rating that you had would've been gone.At least write, what you are saying, understandable
I can't pick yes or no for this, as in your scenario there's basically only one data point. This forum if rife with riffraff who make deals only to pull off a long-term scam. Trust farming is very real. Yes, the transactions in the beginning will be carried out with no problem...but that doesn't necessarily mean the person is to be trusted.
I'd say leaving a positive trust after a good transaction is appropriate. It can be always be changed as in OP's example of an account being bought.
I'd say leaving a positive trust after a good transaction is appropriate. It can be always be changed as in OP's example of an account being bought.
I believe we trust in a person, not the account they post from.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
Cannot agree more, and why are you so offended if someone doesnt give you +ve trust for the loan dude ?
Moreover we all know your aqccount is a bought account, and someone earlier claimed and proved it, so can you prove that it was not a bought account, yes or no ?
If its a bought account, I myself will too add a -ve trust to you.
By giving trust we trust the body we are dealing with not the IP or the account, we trust the person not the materials.
I believe we trust in a person, not the account they post from.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
Cannot agree more, and why are you so offended if someone doesnt give you +ve trust for the loan dude ?
Moreover we all know your aqccount is a bought account, and someone earlier claimed and proved it, so can you prove that it was not a bought account, yes or no ?
If its a bought account, I myself will too add a -ve trust to you.
By giving trust we trust the body we are dealing with not the IP or the account, we trust the person not the materials.
A bought account should be treated like a newbie account, with the same rules you would apply to a newbie account. If someone gave a neutral rating saying that the account was bought then all ratings after that rating might be taken into consideration to find out the character of that person.
It's not that a bought account is generally untrustworthy.
It's not that a bought account is generally untrustworthy.
I believe we trust in a person, not the account they post from.
Thanks for the feedbacks , after spending years on forum i have faith/trust in handful of people and they have shown their integrity once again.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
correct, like we neg-rep the alt accounts of scammers/extortionists. :p
I believe we trust in a person, not the account they post from.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
If an untrustworthy person creates a new account, their negative trust should follow them to that account.
A bought account should be treated like a newbie account, with the same rules you would apply to a newbie account. If someone gave a neutral rating saying that the account was bought then all ratings after that rating might be taken into consideration to find out the character of that person.
It's not that a bought account is generally untrustworthy.
It's not that a bought account is generally untrustworthy.
I'm finding this a bit difficult to follow,
no problem. Read the thread once more;)but if I'd left any trust + or - on an account that I later found out was sold, then I'd remove it completely because it was only relevant to the original owner, not the account itself with an unknown new owner.
I am the original owner whom smooth left a + and i am the one who loaned from smooth . The account is not sold after the feedback was given but a long ago.I can't see any trust whatsoever left for you by Smooth, what is the big deal here?
He will probably update it later and maybe have a look at this poll before updating.
I'm finding this a bit difficult to follow, but if I'd left any trust + or - on an account that I later found out was sold, then I'd remove it completely because it was only relevant to the original owner, not the account itself with an unknown new owner.
I can't see any trust whatsoever left for you by Smooth, what is the big deal here?
I can't see any trust whatsoever left for you by Smooth, what is the big deal here?
If smooth does, you should talk to them and not ask for other opinions.
I can only give you my view.
To boild it down:
Trying to influence others on DT is not ok, unless it is done with arguments.
Those on DT should give the ratings they think are deserved and should be free to change their mind.
If smooth does, you should talk to them and not ask for other opinions.
I can only give you my view.
To boild it down:
Trying to influence others on DT is not ok, unless it is done with arguments.
Those on DT should give the ratings they think are deserved and should be free to change their mind.
If smooth does, you should talk to them and not ask for other opinions.
I can only give you my view.
Let me make one thing clear again that i am not accusing nor against smooth and people are ignoring that.
IMHO its perfectly fine to change a rating at a later time if new information are available. Lets say you are happy with a trade and leave a positive feedback.
In summary, for people who previously had many positives and no negatives:
- The first negative rating defines a border between pre-controversy and post-controversy.
- Don't move this border unless you have a really good reason. If you must add more info, leave another negative or neutral rating.
- If you agree with the border-negative, leave a negative rating.
- If you disagree with the border-negative, leave a positive rating responding to the negative, even if you already have a positive rating for that person. Don't delete your old rating. You should also consider excluding the inaccurate-rater from your trust list.
- The first negative rating defines a border between pre-controversy and post-controversy.
- Don't move this border unless you have a really good reason. If you must add more info, leave another negative or neutral rating.
- If you agree with the border-negative, leave a negative rating.
- If you disagree with the border-negative, leave a positive rating responding to the negative, even if you already have a positive rating for that person. Don't delete your old rating. You should also consider excluding the inaccurate-rater from your trust list.
The quote of theymos has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Its about leaving a counter rating if you strongly disagree with a given negative one. It puts arguments into the trust system that can not be resolved otherwise.
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Why should you not change your rating?
you could and i got no problems if he wants to but changing because of other non-logical people is what i am speaking aboutI have never experienced what you describe. If smooth does, you should talk to them and not ask for other opinions. I can not argue for someone else, I can only give you my view.
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