Topic: Is it the nut-shell or the Nut ? you are dealing with. - page 2. (Read 1962 times)

Let me make one thing clear again that i am not accusing nor against smooth and people are ignoring that.



There was already an inclined text feedback on my profile from KWH even if we assume smooth might have ignored/missed then why would he agree with me on the positive one ?
but the point is he shouldn't/couldn't risk his reputation by giving trust to me cause other DT people will be more than happy to remove him from DT or create unnecessary complications for him . I assume someone has pmed him bout this or maybe not but in any case i wouldn't care to know about it cause they definitely lack logic in their mind.

you could and i got no problems if he wants to but changing because of other non-logical people is what i am speaking about

A negative cause you ignored the previous trusted ratings and realize/observe/notice it after weeks ? i might want to know how come you get to that conclusion.

Account Sale : people who hate account sales only leave a neutral most of the time and negative if the account is highly trusted and a significant amount of coins can be scammed.
However giving positive/negative/neutral for account sales is off-topic here.

If he cared to give me a positive before based solely on his own opinions then the feedback had an impact.

IMHO its perfectly fine to change a rating at a later time if new information are available. Lets say you are happy with a trade and leave a positive feedback. Now you find out that the account was bought and you think that buying accounts is about the worst thing one can do here. Why should you not change your rating? Should you add a negative instead? You cant take a rating without context. Apparently for smooth its important to give out only a few ratings that have an impact.

Correct now you are on topic and yes i edited but nothing is deleted .

No, it's not problematic if done with proper escrow and the new identity is known.

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Take an example of fa*tdice ,what if the scammed when some whale deposited 300+ coins ? is there any guarantee that will not happen ?
they have no reputation to lose if they do that . I have a voice and some reputation at least which i might care about before getting into anything shady.
Scams are unrelated to account's and i can show hundreds of coins lost over hundreds of threads by newbies on newbies/jr member's etc..
some people cannot be helped and they need to experience the fire in order to understand the warnings given by the trusted one's.
Even a guy who purchased an account has coins invested in it and might be scared of losing it over a negative rating before attempting any scam.

Just don't buy accounts? Create an account like everyone else, it's free. Level up the account like everyone else, you can make trades even if you are a newbie as long as you are using escrow, you can get positive trust easily if you trade a lot even as a newbie so why not just do that? Why do people have to buy accounts, they know it's problematic.

I did, which is why I'm curious. But if smooth felt you were(to be) trusted(by him) I've no objection to it.
I see you just edited your OP:

I see what smooth's position would be, I believe he fears being removed from DT or something similar. At any rate, if you do trust someone enough to give them pos. trust on the first place, I wouldn't say just because you found out its a bought account the feedback should be any different. But if this threatens his credibility(in someone else's mind) , well, some thing have to be done.

You are not reading anything , I am not forcing smooth to give ++ to me but instead i am supporting his prior decision about leaving me a + but changed it later due to people having different opinions and i agree with that cause he has a right to care about his profile.
Sorry for this but i honestly didn't wanted to accuse anybody here so i would strike that off.

yes but smooth will probably see this poll and take his decision depending on the results...so it requires users opinions.


Yes , this is the reason i never asked him a trust but instead he himself gave me one and the reason could be that he found me enough trustworthy.
But the change is brought by the opinions of other people and he made it clear in the pm's that he agrees with me in some sense.

True, but I don't see any service offered by me which could lead to scams , it is not that hard to read the persons posts and get a basic knowledge about him.I didn't had any negative ever.

If you bought an account and are using feedback, Rank or longevity of account that is not your own for loans and to appear trustworthy, you probably aren't. You just bought the appearance of being trustworthy and a Neutral should suffice although that is up to the trading partner.
I have seen several purchased accounts recently packing on the positive Trust and it's a little alarming. Some are those that had Negatives and instead of fixing their mistakes, just wanted to wipe those Negatives out and start with a clean and/or green, bought account. Essentially buying Trust or the appearance of Trust. Why is this? Perhaps to deceive those into trading with those that most wouldn't go near them with their tainted accounts?

im my opinion, a bought account doesnt say anything about the actual person behind that account in terms of how trustable they may or may not be. sure, its a given that bought accounts can be used to scam (bitcoinblackfriday), but its common knowledge on the forum that bought accounts are, for the most part, used to participate in signature campaigns for the higher payout. as for the portion of your op i quoted, i do remember reading a post somewhere (somewhere that im not going to go dig for) from QS stating that he had sold or escrowed the sale of some accounts in the past that have risen to positions on DT over the years. not saying that applies to everyone though.

in regards to the poll's options, theyre pretty limited.
exactly, trust isnt mandated to be left on every little trade or dealing / interaction that happens on the forum. if someone feels that a certain interaction with another user gives them the impression that the user in question is an honest person, by all means feel free to leave a positive rating. that dosnt mean you have to though, for example my trust page is not at all indicative of all the trades / dealings ive had.

Why create a poll if you're just going to disregard it? A lot of what you said is rambling and incoherent but people are free to leave or remove whatever feedback they want but if you have a problem with that take it up with the individual people involved.


You should get your facts straight because I've never previously been involved with account sales.

This discussion is useless IMO, if smooth himself thinks that someone who bought an account and then took a loan shouldn't be trusted, well you can't force him to reinstate the feedback. At any rate, I don't see why he should give a feedback for a loan for which he had collateral, a neutral would be more ideal IMHO.

Trolls do not have any possibility of trolling in this poll cause your vote is a complete waste unless you make a post here explaining you opinion about it no matter how short or long it is.
This was already discussed with smooth cause of the army of sock-puppet account's and enough negative mindset.

So whoever just submitted a vote should post here in order to get his vote counted.
Edit: Regardless of the answer you choose.

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This post was to remove the alt/troll account votes and as majority of the members voted are on DT ,so its no longer needed.

Hey people ,

 I made this thread after having a discussion with smooth (about trust feedback) which requires forum users opinions and point of views.
Some weeks ago i was short of some $$ and i had an option to keep one of my altcoin as collateral and seek a loan with the most safest way possible (probably from a highly trusted guy) so that i could have it sooner and with the satisfaction that my funds are safe .
read else here --- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12797095

after the transaction maybe smooth felt that i was deserving for the feedback and added a +1 to my profile , I too gave him a + feedback as well cause he agreed to all my terms and was way over comfortable to trade with. Now i see that there is an edited feedback on my profile from smooth and it say "the account is bought and changed this to neutral etc.. "

I PM'ed him when i noticed the change and the conclusion was that it's nothing personal but it could affect his profile if people see him trusting me .
He made it clear that he agrees with me in some sense but .....you know

People who are thinking i took the loan for trust purpose are free to make an accusation against me cause that would be off-topic here

Now i would like to ask you people that are you not allowed to leave a feedback to someone when you agree with him and you think he should be trusted ?
What influence does "account's features" have over the person's  integrity and honesty ?

on a side note there are many users on forum who are/were involved in account sales ( QS, neotox, hilarious&co , outlander etc..) does this means all should not be trusted forever cause the account sales is a gray area in forum ? No matter how trustworthy they are .
It was discussed with smooth that this thread is not only bout me but for every guy in such situation.

you people have the authority to speak about your opinions and which is the motive of this Poll,every account of forum had 1 activity some time ago and it got built to what it is today.

I will lock this thread after getting 100 answers (50 if people are not sure to answer or not) , will also wear this threads  in my signature until resolved. Make a post here after submitting your answer.

feel free to accuse me if anything above said is wrong and kindly keep the posts on topic.