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Quote from: NASDAQEnema on July 21, 2012, 01:21:18 PM

If anything will bring down a currency it's the community becoming brittle and stagnant.
Litecoin isn't quite there yet.

Hmmmmm... not a single measurable improvement over BTC (not even the GPU/CPU thing) seems pretty stagnant.

Being driven to open angst (as expressed by numerous posts herein) and in some cases full blown fear (as illustrated by exchange shutdown) due to a 51-threat from a lone intertube blowhard seems pretty brittle.

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Quote from: NASDAQEnema on July 21, 2012, 01:21:18 PM

This thread is so in denial. More for me.

I make more btc by mining litecoins.

Also a currency doesn't need monopoly status. And its intrinsic value is not how many people use it, but rather this:
intrinsic value = how many people use it * (how quickly they use it * how much they expect for it) / (avg duration between purchase and delivery / avg item value)

Litecoiners are not in denial about the coming collapse.
Bitcoiners are already done building their bunkers.
Early adopters have no pedestrian needs.
Newcomer's skills are not in demand with those who have the money.

If anything will bring down a currency it's the community becoming brittle and stagnant.
Litecoin isn't quite there yet.

i LOLed at your signature Grin

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This thread is so in denial. More for me.

I make more btc by mining litecoins.

Also a currency doesn't need monopoly status. And its intrinsic value is not how many people use it, but rather this:
intrinsic value = how many people use it * (how quickly they use it * how much they expect for it) / (avg duration between purchase and delivery / avg item value)

Litecoiners are not in denial about the coming collapse.
Bitcoiners are already done building their bunkers.
Early adopters have no pedestrian needs.
Newcomer's skills are not in demand with those who have the money.

If anything will bring down a currency it's the community becoming brittle and stagnant.
Litecoin isn't quite there yet.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on July 20, 2012, 01:04:59 PM

Quote from: ThiagoCMC on July 20, 2012, 12:53:32 PM

Litecoin can act as a backup of Bitcoin! ;-)

What about idea that Bitcoin can act as a backup of Litecoin? ;-)

Don't see that happening until there are major sites that accept payment with litecoin. Litecoin really needs some promoting or press. I doubt many people are even aware of litecoin outside of the bitcoin community.

Hate to say it but Litecoin needs a silk road to happen or something of the like. (wikileaks, et cetera)

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Quote from: ThiagoCMC on July 20, 2012, 12:53:32 PM

Litecoin can act as a backup of Bitcoin! ;-)

What about idea that Bitcoin can act as a backup of Litecoin? ;-)

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Quote from: cbeast on July 20, 2012, 09:11:09 AM

Litecoin is the Christian rock of crypcoins. I'm sure there are people who believe in it, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

That's a fun way to put it! Haha.

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฿itcoin: Currency of Resistance!

Litecoin can act as a backup of Bitcoin! ;-)

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I am not sure what is up with LiTeCoins, my Open Transactions server has supported them for a long time already, with the ability to trade them directly for any other supported asset type, but there are no LiTeCoins in play there whatsoever. So from there LiteCoin seems more dead than NaMeCoin, I0Coin and IXCoin all of which have a thousand to twenty thousand or so of their coins on the server.

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

Litecoin is the Christian rock of crypcoins. I'm sure there are people who believe in it, but just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Ooooooh, by the emotional response LTC gets in this thread I think it has already hit a nerve. Obviously people are so convinced of BTC that it won't hurt it to have some competition.

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Quote from: grantbdev on July 19, 2012, 12:58:41 PM

Quote from: unclescrooge on July 19, 2012, 02:33:09 AM

What gives money value?

If you accept money against your work, it's because you're sure that someone else will, later, accept your money for his work. So the more people use a money, the more valuable this money is. That's why, throughout history, silver and especially gold have been the universal currencies, the most valuable ones. Even if there is platinum or other precious metal out there. The only reason we have local currencies is because local governments impose them.

OK what's my point? My point is, even if litecoin was a little better than bitcoin, it will fail as a cryptocurrency. Because the one feature that people will seek in a cryptocurrency is its intrinsic value, ie how many people use it.

And for those people who want to be the early adopters that will get rich with litecoin, don't worry, even with bitcoin you're still an early adopter

Nothing you said rules out litecoin..

Yes it does, that's kind of my whole point.

Do you know any popular auction website beside ebay? Neither do I. Because an auction website is a winner take it all "product". As is a currency, for the reasons I stated above.

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Quote from: mystery2048 on July 19, 2012, 01:29:20 AM

I am just wondering what your opinion is?

No, it's not a good idea. It doesn't solve anything BitCoin hasn't already solved.

The often stated argument that it lets you buy small things faster appears to be nonsense. Merchants can sell cups of coffee or burgers without any confirms just like they now take cash without performing extensive analysis on each note. No-one is going to 51% attack BitCoin to steal a happy meal.

If LiteCoin is to be a success it has to not just compete with BitCoin but soundly beat it. The world doesn't need or want two basically identical cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: mystery2048 on July 19, 2012, 01:29:20 AM

I am just wondering what your opinion is?

No, it's not a good idea. It doesn't solve anything BitCoin hasn't already solved.

The often stated argument that it lets you buy small things faster appears to be nonsense. Merchants can sell cups of coffee or burgers without any confirms just like they now take cash without performing extensive analysis on each note. No-one is going to 51% attack BitCoin to steal a happy meal.

If LiteCoin is to be a success it has to not just compete with BitCoin but soundly beat it. The world doesn't need or want two basically identical cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: Dargo on July 19, 2012, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: VelvetLeaf on July 19, 2012, 10:13:21 AM

Quote from: Dargo on July 19, 2012, 09:26:51 AM

Out of the alternatives to BTC, LTC maybe has the best shot, but that's not saying a whole lot. Once ASICs arrive, I may give LTC mining a go with my GPU rigs and see if it catches on. If enough people do the same, it might actually catch on.

Won't that be too late if you switch at October ?
You won't get as many litecoin if you mine it later, as difficulty keep increasing every few days.
After GPUs users move in, difficulty changed from 1 to 6.6 now.
Imagine the difficulty change in October if most of GPU user move to litecoin.

The total Litecoin network is ~200 MH/s, since scrypt is 1/1000's bitcoin speed, that is equal to 200 GH/s or 0.2 TH/s in bitcoin world.
Total bitcoin network now is 13.3 TH/s.
So roughly only 1.5% hash power move from bitcoin to litecoin now.

Let's say that 30% of 13.3 TH/s is from GPU user, and only 65% will move to litecoin because it's not feasible anymore to mine bitcoin.
30% * 13.3 * 65% = 2.5935 TH/s
After applying 1/1000 multiplier, that's equal to 2.5935 GH/s

Current litecoin network is 0.2 GH/s
If the network speed grows from 0.2 to 2.7 GH/s, the difficulty won't be 6 anymore and less coin will be generated per kH/s.

I think it's an interesting strategy to mine LTC now rather than waiting till October, and it could well be the most profitable one. But for me it also means that I stop mining BTC now (or at least mine less), and I don't want to do that. So I'm probably going to keep mining BTC until ASICs hit, then switch to LTC and see how it goes. But I may change my mind on this. For example, if we can raise the bounty and get a LTC version of CGminer

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/attn-litecoin-gpu-miners-scrypt-support-for-cgminer-92887 <=====Shameless plug: please consider donating!

then I might start sooner rather than later.

Don't even bother anymore. You are way too late already.

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Quote from: VelvetLeaf on July 19, 2012, 10:13:21 AM

Quote from: Dargo on July 19, 2012, 09:26:51 AM

Out of the alternatives to BTC, LTC maybe has the best shot, but that's not saying a whole lot. Once ASICs arrive, I may give LTC mining a go with my GPU rigs and see if it catches on. If enough people do the same, it might actually catch on.

Won't that be too late if you switch at October ?
You won't get as many litecoin if you mine it later, as difficulty keep increasing every few days.
After GPUs users move in, difficulty changed from 1 to 6.6 now.
Imagine the difficulty change in October if most of GPU user move to litecoin.

The total Litecoin network is ~200 MH/s, since scrypt is 1/1000's bitcoin speed, that is equal to 200 GH/s or 0.2 TH/s in bitcoin world.
Total bitcoin network now is 13.3 TH/s.
So roughly only 1.5% hash power move from bitcoin to litecoin now.

Let's say that 30% of 13.3 TH/s is from GPU user, and only 65% will move to litecoin because it's not feasible anymore to mine bitcoin.
30% * 13.3 * 65% = 2.5935 TH/s
After applying 1/1000 multiplier, that's equal to 2.5935 GH/s

Current litecoin network is 0.2 GH/s
If the network speed grows from 0.2 to 2.7 GH/s, the difficulty won't be 6 anymore and less coin will be generated per kH/s.

I think it's an interesting strategy to mine LTC now rather than waiting till October, and it could well be the most profitable one. But for me it also means that I stop mining BTC now (or at least mine less), and I don't want to do that. So I'm probably going to keep mining BTC until ASICs hit, then switch to LTC and see how it goes. But I may change my mind on this. For example, if we can raise the bounty and get a LTC version of CGminer

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/attn-litecoin-gpu-miners-scrypt-support-for-cgminer-92887 <=====Shameless plug: please consider donating!

then I might start sooner rather than later.

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Quote from: unclescrooge on July 19, 2012, 02:33:09 AM

What gives money value?

If you accept money against your work, it's because you're sure that someone else will, later, accept your money for his work. So the more people use a money, the more valuable this money is. That's why, throughout history, silver and especially gold have been the universal currencies, the most valuable ones. Even if there is platinum or other precious metal out there. The only reason we have local currencies is because local governments impose them.

OK what's my point? My point is, even if litecoin was a little better than bitcoin, it will fail as a cryptocurrency. Because the one feature that people will seek in a cryptocurrency is its intrinsic value, ie how many people use it.

And for those people who want to be the early adopters that will get rich with litecoin, don't worry, even with bitcoin you're still an early adopter

Nothing you said rules out litecoin. It's not about being better than bitcoin, it's just an alternative. It's still relatively new and has plenty of time to grow.

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Quote from: Dargo on July 19, 2012, 09:26:51 AM

Out of the alternatives to BTC, LTC maybe has the best shot, but that's not saying a whole lot. Once ASICs arrive, I may give LTC mining a go with my GPU rigs and see if it catches on. If enough people do the same, it might actually catch on.

Won't that be too late if you switch at October ?
You won't get as many litecoin if you mine it later, as difficulty keep increasing every few days.
After GPUs users move in, difficulty changed from 1 to 6.6 now.
Imagine the difficulty change in October if most of GPU user move to litecoin.

The total Litecoin network is ~200 MH/s, since scrypt is 1/1000's bitcoin speed, that is equal to 200 GH/s or 0.2 TH/s in bitcoin world.
Total bitcoin network now is 13.3 TH/s.
So roughly only 1.5% hash power move from bitcoin to litecoin now.

Let's say that 30% of 13.3 TH/s is from GPU user, and only 65% will move to litecoin because it's not feasible anymore to mine bitcoin.
30% * 13.3 * 65% = 2.5935 TH/s
After applying 1/1000 multiplier, that's equal to 2.5935 GH/s

Current litecoin network is 0.2 GH/s
If the network speed grows from 0.2 to 2.7 GH/s, the difficulty won't be 6 anymore and less coin will be generated per kH/s.

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Out of the alternatives to BTC, LTC maybe has the best shot, but that's not saying a whole lot. Once ASICs arrive, I may give LTC mining a go with my GPU rigs and see if it catches on. If enough people do the same, it might actually catch on.

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obviously it is Grin

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

It seems that LTC is hardware dependent on a CPU and memory. It is also expensive in electricity. If LTC were to reach a large audience, it would not be able to keep up with the transaction verification because there is no incentive to run CPUs to support the network.

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Litecoin is a good idea. I support it for the same reasons i support bitcoin. All it needs is a strong mining network holding it up, and obviously some more services, and I can see it being very successful and useful to this community. Providing an alternative application for GPU's is one such use, but there are many others.

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