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Quote from: Frankolala on September 20, 2023, 12:46:04 PM

From what I understand is that so many people don't get married because of love rather they get married because of lost and wealth or maybe because they need someone to help them out in their businesses or to take care of their kids when they give birth. If the reason why Mr A marries a woman and he no longer see that which attracted him to the woman anymore, he will ask for a divorce because he didn't marry because of love.

I don't agree that people divorce because they didn't marry for love.
I agree that there are people that marry for other reasons but marrying for love doesn't mean the marriage can't fail.
A lot of things can cause a marriage to end in divorce. It could be that they feel out of love with each other, or things just didn't work out. It may be poor communication, infidelity, the nature of the job, domestic violence, etc. A lot of different things.

Aside from the effect that divorce has on kids, I don't see anything wrong with ending a marriage. If you're no longer happy in the marriage I don't see a point to continue if you both feel there's no way to work things out.
I can't advise a lady that is always been beaten by her husband to remain in that marriage simply because marriage is a union or whatever. Sometimes the best solution to a problem is to work away.

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Quote from: Hispo on September 24, 2023, 08:06:27 PM

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So you are from Philippines. I personally sometimes mix up that country with Indonesia, both have a relatively high muslin population and are in the Pacific ocean.

Yes, I am. That's fine, we do always get that impression from other regions and in fact, we've got some words that are exactly as they are or close to its sound.

Quote from: Hispo on September 24, 2023, 08:06:27 PM

Also, do not be surprised money is something which is used there to accelerate legal processes, it is basically the same here in Venezuela, if not worse. It is a symptom of a corrupted system, in my opinion.

There's not that much difference, sad to say that justice system here as much as I want to respect and don't want to say an opinion that's gonna make it bad. But, that's what really it is.

Quote from: Hispo on September 24, 2023, 08:06:27 PM

Traditionally, here family has been viewed like one of the most important components of society, but divorce is something which is not stigmatized as much as previous years.

We're also people who love to take care of our family, we're family people, and as much as we want to take care of our families and keep it until we're gone. The culture setting is being changed based on what's happening in our society and that's why some laws are needed to be adopted and made just as the other countries.

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Quote from: blockman on September 24, 2023, 04:28:50 PM

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Before in my country, the paper of proof of marriage was called a marriage contract but then changed into a marriage certificate. What's the connection? Before you needed to renew that contract but when it was changed, it was a lifetime commitment which actually really is.
It is only our country and Vatican IIRC the countries that don't have divorce because we're giving importance to the union of two people of opposite sex. Recently, as this topic is timely, our senate is starting to make divorce a law. While we've got annulment in our country the process of making it valid is you'll go through a lot of time and money. Thus, most of the couples that are no longer in good terms just try to forget each other even they're married and find their new partners.

That is interesting. Is it really your country among the few which do not recognize divorces? Because I would have assumed most of countries around the planet had a relatively flexible set of laws to allow people to separate each other.

Of course, I was aware that in the case of countries which follow the sharia law or those who are mostly muslin, did not allowed couples to separate, because the obvious religious implications those divorces would imply.

Yes, we're also aware of Muslim laws but that's an exception.

Quote from: Hispo on September 24, 2023, 03:31:41 PM

In the case of my country, getting a divorce is relatively easy, one just need to pay for a lawyer to take care of it.

So except for our country, all countries really have an easy process for a divorce. Here, we've got almost the same thing called annulment but the process is really terrible and would take years even if you've got money to process it. The process here in applications is kind of slow, it's how our justice system works not just for this particular matter and that reality sucks but you've got a slight quicker process when you've got money. Really here, money matters and moves processes.

So you are from Philippines. I personally sometimes mix up that country with Indonesia, both have a relatively high muslin population and are in the Pacific ocean.

Also, do not be surprised money is something which is used there to accelerate legal processes, it is basically the same here in Venezuela, if not worse. It is a symptom of a corrupted system, in my opinion.

Traditionally, here family has been viewed like one of the most important components of society, but divorce is something which is not stigmatized as much as previous years.

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Quote from: Hispo on September 24, 2023, 03:31:41 PM

Quote from: blockman on September 24, 2023, 03:15:55 PM

Before in my country, the paper of proof of marriage was called a marriage contract but then changed into a marriage certificate. What's the connection? Before you needed to renew that contract but when it was changed, it was a lifetime commitment which actually really is.
It is only our country and Vatican IIRC the countries that don't have divorce because we're giving importance to the union of two people of opposite sex. Recently, as this topic is timely, our senate is starting to make divorce a law. While we've got annulment in our country the process of making it valid is you'll go through a lot of time and money. Thus, most of the couples that are no longer in good terms just try to forget each other even they're married and find their new partners.

That is interesting. Is it really your country among the few which do not recognize divorces? Because I would have assumed most of countries around the planet had a relatively flexible set of laws to allow people to separate each other.

Of course, I was aware that in the case of countries which follow the sharia law or those who are mostly muslin, did not allowed couples to separate, because the obvious religious implications those divorces would imply.

Yes, we're also aware of Muslim laws but that's an exception.

Quote from: Hispo on September 24, 2023, 03:31:41 PM

In the case of my country, getting a divorce is relatively easy, one just need to pay for a lawyer to take care of it.

So except for our country, all countries really have an easy process for a divorce. Here, we've got almost the same thing called annulment but the process is really terrible and would take years even if you've got money to process it. The process here in applications is kind of slow, it's how our justice system works not just for this particular matter and that reality sucks but you've got a slight quicker process when you've got money. Really here, money matters and moves processes.

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Quote from: blockman on September 24, 2023, 03:15:55 PM

Before in my country, the paper of proof of marriage was called a marriage contract but then changed into a marriage certificate. What's the connection? Before you needed to renew that contract but when it was changed, it was a lifetime commitment which actually really is.
It is only our country and Vatican IIRC the countries that don't have divorce because we're giving importance to the union of two people of opposite sex. Recently, as this topic is timely, our senate is starting to make divorce a law. While we've got annulment in our country the process of making it valid is you'll go through a lot of time and money. Thus, most of the couples that are no longer in good terms just try to forget each other even they're married and find their new partners.

That is interesting. Is it really your country among the few which do not recognize divorces? Because I would have assumed most of countries around the planet had a relatively flexible set of laws to allow people to separate each other.

Of course, I was aware that in the case of countries which follow the sharia law or those who are mostly muslin, did not allowed couples to separate, because the obvious religious implications those divorces would imply.

In the case of my country, getting a divorce is relatively easy, one just need to pay for a lawyer to take care of it.

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Before in my country, the paper of proof of marriage was called a marriage contract but then changed into a marriage certificate. What's the connection? Before you needed to renew that contract but when it was changed, it was a lifetime commitment which actually really is.
It is only our country and Vatican IIRC the countries that don't have divorce because we're giving importance to the union of two people of opposite sex. Recently, as this topic is timely, our senate is starting to make divorce a law. While we've got annulment in our country the process of making it valid is you'll go through a lot of time and money. Thus, most of the couples that are no longer in good terms just try to forget each other even they're married and find their new partners.

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I would like to think as marriage as something beyond our current understanding of civil laws. Sure, there are supposed to be laws which regulate marriage and allow people to live a fulfilling ans healthy life together with their partners. But, marriage is what the couple makes it to be, in the end.

If two people cannot live together and peacefully complement each other to enhance their life, then I would say their marriage does not have much meaning, on the other hand, when the love and understanding between them cannot be overstated, then they have fully found the meaning of their union.

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With the pattern at which the world now evolves, many people would accept the fact of Marraiage as contract but that isn't how it should be treated, marraiage is a life time union
I see the direction you looking into, in the case of COURT MARRAIAGE . For the fact the Bride and Groom has to present themselves to the court and fill some documents doesn't make it a contract, that is just the system of giving legal security to both couples, where the law stands as judgment in there marraiage

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It's important that your spouse has the same goals in life. In other words, you have to match perfectly and then you don't need any contracts.

I can give you 2 different examples of couples.
My parents got together because they were having fun, going out together, having sex, and they made me, so they got together to start a family. There was no real chemistry between them, they were together because they were bored alone and didn't really want to be in a stable relationship, which is why they split after more or less 10 years and both never married again.

I met my wife when we were in our 20s and we were together more than 10 years without marriage. We felt good with each other and never needed any paper to seal that. We did that for our families, to make it official for them and so that we'd have it easy if one of us gets into an accident, or dies, because a spouse has all the formal rights to visit you in the hospital, to inherit everything after your death, but a partner doesn't. You need wills legalized by a notary for everything like bank account access and all that, so it's just easier and cheaper to get married.

Anyway, we're together for more than 15 years and it's the same relationship we had before the contract.

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I don't know how they intend to marry in other countries because when you are not brainwashed by social media and all of the new weird stuff that is currently going on, you will just intend to marry to make a family and live your life to the fullest without worrying too much because you finally found a home where your heart can rest. But because we have these trends where they are making it look like some good idea to make their husbands uncomfortable by not doing what he commands them to do even the simplest things as a wife, conflicts occur and it leads to divorces. the husband can no longer find solace in his wife and chooses to depart with her for good. if they only did not let outsiders interfere with their marriage such as social media and movies, we will see a low percentage of divorces right now.

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Marriage is a coming of two opposite sexs from different places, different with characters coming together to make a home together regardless or to be 1+1 instead of 2 but =1 because there is to be an abidments of body and soul (union) with the necessity of loving , caring, honesty, transparency, sacrifices and tolerance exhibitions amongst both til death do them part.

However, the modelity of today has considered attractiveness and pleasures insight of marriage where something is attracted to the unionship and if the qualities of attraction is minized (fluctuation) or a total lost, then it calls a divorce (contract) where you either don't find the characters or the qualities of attractions anymore.
It could also serve as a caused of networking of greeds (gold-digging)

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Quote from: Mophymac on September 20, 2023, 05:03:06 AM

The rate at which we hear of divorce cases this days around the world is heart breaking. Particularly in the western world. What could be the main reason for this menace in our society.

Religious couples have the lowest rates of divorce, and religious affiliation is falling.

If you look at the statistics, the reason why the divorce rate could be so high is that you have some segment of the population that has been married and divorced multiple times. If you're divorced once, chances are rather high it could happen again.

Quote from: Mophymac on September 20, 2023, 05:03:06 AM

when children are involved, they will be the one to suffer divided attention even though the law forces the parents to pay for their support. The question will then be: is financial support all that it is to raising children?

Financial support isn't enough. The metrics are rather clear that children from single parent household on average end up worse off than children raised in a two parent home.

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Marriage is both a union and a contract. It is a union because both agreed and with their parents to married and the scriptures made it to be more the union.

They really need to agree it with parents in your country? The people that I know simply announce it to their families and don't have to ask for permission.

Things differ in the world as there are different cultures, but civilization is also encroaching people's culture. It seems that things happen differently between my country and were you live. In my country, it is the parents (the woman's parents), who recieve and accept bride price and the man's parents pronounce them couple.
Infact, in extreme situations the parent has to reject many spouse for the son or choose by themselves who their son will marry. I know it sounds funny or unreal but it happens in my country.

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Quote from: Mophymac on September 20, 2023, 05:03:06 AM

The rate at which we hear of divorce cases this days around the world is heart breaking. Particularly in the western world. What could be the main reason for this menace in our society. It's a menace because when children are involved, they will be the one to suffer divided attention even though the law forces the parents to pay for their support.

There's no more respect in unions and marriages these days. The justification that they're having is that there is this law of divorce or annulment wherein they can simply restart and find another partner. Yes, even those couples that have kids, they don't mind separating since they can just co-parent to their children.

Quote from: Mophymac on September 20, 2023, 05:03:06 AM

The question will then be: is financial support all that it is to raising children?

Sadly yes. But the emotional impact on the kids is high when they see their friends have their complete family and they don't have one. This is what they don't understand. But it's much better than to live together and suffer with each other's disagreement.

Quote from: Mophymac on September 20, 2023, 05:03:06 AM

If these divorces are base on the way its viewed as a contract then it must have an end surely because no contract last for a life time. However, if marriage is look upon as union based on religious belief, then there a bidding involve. Ironic bonding transform the individuals to one flesh. So, if any party think of divorce, they will as well reflect on the impact it would have on themselves. Can you separate yourself?

Separation needs to be agreed upon and there are laws that can declare that these separations are needed to be done for the sake of both parties. That's why before getting married, everyone should be prepared financially, spiritually, mentally and emotionally.

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Whatever you see it as is acceptable in everyone’s different views. Coming together to sign an agreed contract has made you both consented to have a union. What mostly leads to this divorce could be lies and inability of one partner to satisfy the needs of the other one. Many problems are involved in marriage though, and one thing or the other leads to divorce which most of them are indisputable.

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Administratively, marriage is a contract that cannot be determined when it ends. Therefore, the perception of marriage must be looked at more than that by involving feelings and beliefs. Otherwise, perhaps someone could end their relationship contract as easily as they could say "it's over" and and only increase the number of children suffering from trauma in a broken family.

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Its 100% now a contract that is one sided as fuck but just because you break this contract doesn't mean you don't have to keep true to your vows.

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the ceremony of marriage is the union.
the signing of the marriage certificate is the contract(proof/consent of union)

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It’s both a contract and a union. It’s a legal agreement between two individuals outlining their rights & responsibilities. At the same time it’s a deep emotional & spiritual bond symbolising the coming together of two lives. It's a blend of commitment, love & partnership where both parties work together to build a life filled with love, trust & support.

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Well it depends on the divide you are coming from. In Africa it was initially regarded and known as a union between man and a woman called husband and wife, and to further tie the union, it extended to the inlaws who are also seen as family. In Africa, we also regard an inlaw as simblings or family. However, all these have changed. The union is tearing apart for different reasons and that is why people are now confused how to regard marriage.

The truth to your question is that people now contract a union in form of marriage because of certain reasons to survive in the system or country they find themselves. Marriage is suppose to be a union based on the intent of what it was meant for, procreation in the name of having a family but this have been changed. Change is constant and modernity keeps operating on the influence of change.

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