Is Michael Jordan a gambling addict ? - page 3.

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Quote from: Die_empty on December 21, 2023, 04:25:32 AM

Quote from: un_rank on December 20, 2023, 04:02:11 PM

Is Drake a gambling addict? I think not in the context, same thing with Michael Jordan.
Having spent sometime with people who are actually addicted to gambling it makes it obvious that neither of these celebrities are addicts, they are just famous and it will make an attractive story to make them up to be one.

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Drake is not an addict but I suspect that he uses his bets as an advertisement to promote Stake. So I don't take Drake's post about his bets seriously because it is for commercial purposes.

He gamble because he has promotion deal with that big casino so expect that we see him gamble from time to time since its provably part of promotion. If he doesn't have anything like that for sure we can see him gamble in minimal manner since for sure even if they are rich they are aware about any unnecessary loss from gamble since there are professionals handling their finances. Same with Michael Jordan for sure he is not in situation where he can't control his gambling activity since if he's really into abusive situation especially on gambling scene for sure this is a large scope for media and this will be in news. But we don't actually see that so I guess same with Drake they are just spending some time having fun gambling and they didn't take it seriously since they have other more business that need to deal with that's why Jordan became billionaire since he is busy on his businesses and other basketball related activities.

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I know there were a lot of issues and conflicts during his time in the NBA where I remember that he is with his dad gambling or something. I think with what you posted OP, it's like "He can be an addict and still manage to be responsible". Since he has a lot of money, he doesn't necessarily get affected much because of the pool of money that he has. I'm seeing this as a type of "it's okay to be an addict as long as you're responsible".

Wouldn't that be a good question? Some people nowadays are getting more and more into video games and they are still responsible but spend a lot of time in front of a computer.

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Quote from: un_rank on December 20, 2023, 04:02:11 PM

Is Drake a gambling addict? I think not in the context, same thing with Michael Jordan.
Having spent sometime with people who are actually addicted to gambling it makes it obvious that neither of these celebrities are addicts, they are just famous and it will make an attractive story to make them up to be one.

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Drake is not an addict but I suspect that he uses his bets as an advertisement to promote Stake. So I don't take Drake's post about his bets seriously because it is for commercial purposes.

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on December 20, 2023, 03:35:39 PM

I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.

Many celebrities have gone broke because of gambling addiction. But we have never heard that Micheal Jordan is suffering from any financial problems. Sometimes they might keep their financial condition secret but Micheal has been a billionaire for many years. From my observation, he is gambling with what he can afford to lose. He doesn't see gambling as a major source of income which is why he works hard to make more money from different business ventures. He is not like most celebrities who focus only on gambling without diversifying their income. I conclude that Michael Jordan is a responsible gambler.

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I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.

He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero ..

Does your friend know Michael Jordan personally? Did he just read some gossip article about Michael Jordan being a gambling addict?
I don't hear any news about Michael Jordan going bankrupt because of his gambling addiction. This probably means that he keeps his gambling behavior under control. He's rich enough to spend lots of money on gambling and still maintain his wealth.
The same question applies to Drake and other rich and famous people, who spend lots of money on gambling. Are they addicts?
I would say no, because their behavior doesn't affect their overall wealth.

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For me , addiction is something you do without control from yourself meaning like gambling in which you wanted to play when there are lot of things you can do aside from that.

For me , MJ is gambling addict on his own way, not because he still supports His family meaning he isn't addict , because he is showing what addict do.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 20, 2023, 03:50:20 PM

Anyone that is spending an amount of money that he can afford to lose on gambling, the person is not an addict.

But if someone is spending small amount of money on gambling but seeing himself not leaving gambling but prefer to just gamble and gambling taking his time, the person is an addict.

If gambling is not affecting someone financially and also not spending the time he supposed to spend on other important thing on gambling, then the person is not an addict.

I find this interesting- I define "addiction" as when a person cannot control his urges to play either for profit or for entertainment.

While in my definition Jordan is considered as an addict, in the general definition that you have provided and the circumstances in which he is in makes him not an addict. But I do agree that he has tons of resources to allocate for his gambling expenditures. Though this may be the case, I have seen some documentaries where Jordan is brutally competitive wherein he would risk anything just to win.

I guess this mentality of him is what makes him potentially an "addict" but in reality is not. He is just competitive in nature to the point that he wants to win everything as he is confident about himself and his skills.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on December 20, 2023, 03:50:20 PM

Anyone that is spending an amount of money that he can afford to lose on gambling, the person is not an addict.

But if someone is spending small amount of money on gambling but seeing himself not leaving gambling but prefer to just gamble and gambling taking his time, the person is an addict.

If gambling is not affecting someone financially and also not spending the time he supposed to spend on other important thing on gambling, then the person is not an addict.

Agreed, it shows how much the person understood the world of gambling, the last time I had a similar discussion with some friend, they believe that spending much time with gambling is what makes you the real gambler, and they believe that been laggy when it comes to gambling, maybe gamble twice in a week until the following week makes you a unserious gambler.

I would rather become an unserious gambler because it's the right way to go with gambling, if you really want to avoid getting addicted you need to spend most of your times with things that really matters for you and your future, because if you focus too much on gambling and you avoid all the necessary things you will end up wasting your time.

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Well Michael loves to gamble I see video footage of him gambling using a coin tossing to a line not sure what kind of game is that in their area, but he bet money for that.
Also look for Michael gambling before here is what I found:
https://www.casino.org/blog/michael-jordan-gambling/#:~:text=Gambling%20seems%20to%20have%20always,evidence%20that%20he%20was%20wagering.

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Quote from: Queentoshi on December 20, 2023, 06:36:50 PM

I saw a topic on this forum about if a successful gambler is seen as an addict? Now I like to rephrase that a bit to, can a successful person be seen to be an addict? The answer will not be the same for every person because when someone is rich, many of their bad behaviors and addictions are excused. This is another excuse for another addicted gambler just because they are successful. Just like Drake, Ben Affleck and others, Michael Jordan is also an addict.

I can not say Michael Jordan is a gambling addict. A person that is gambling very well but able to make it in life and still a very rich person is not an addict. It is not about how high the money he spend on gambling, it is about how gambling is in the life of the person. He is able to still remain a well know person that gambling did not turn him to an average or a poor person. He is not an addict.

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A person who is poor or not and spends their income gambling, struggling to quit/control the habits is a gambling addict. Many rich people are able to cover up this habit but it doesn't matter because gambling addiction is destructive .Maybe Jordan and many of his friends are addicted but we should be talking about how gambling education can be starting point for the addicts and non addicts. A clean society is a healthy one.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on December 20, 2023, 03:35:39 PM

I was recently arguing with someone whom stated that MJ is a gambling addict, and I pushed back. I think we could probably all agree that being addicted to anything is never good, no matter what it is. Michael is famous for being a big gambler. However, it's not like that's the only thing he does in life. He's a billionaire with many companies and countless things to do each day. Gambling doesn't effect those important things in life.

So, some say yes, but Jordam has always denied it.... in fact, I don't think I've ever seen a gambling addict admit that he is addicted.
But, it seems that when former NBA star Michael Jordan's career came to an end in 2013, some rumors circulated on the internet that the main cause of this decision was his addiction to gambling as Jordan had been seen gambling at the time and Also in 2005 he told '60 Minutes' journalist Ed Bradley that he had made some reckless decisions, was he talking about the bets?

There is also a documentary that talks about this, claiming that Jordan once escaped from the hotel in New York where the team was concentrated to go to a casino, on the eve of a decisive game against the New York Knicks.... Was it just that? a normal "escape" or was it the need to suppress an addiction?

A lot of time has passed, I hope Jordan is doing well today with his money and no addiction.

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Quote from: Westinhome on December 20, 2023, 06:44:09 PM

Quote from: PX-Z on December 20, 2023, 05:51:56 PM

Addicts are those who doesn't have life balance — gambling addict. In which the opposite how you describe MJ is. I don't even considered Drake as addict too. Because these people have other life than gambling, gambling to them is just entertainment, a way to spend their money.
Addiction is life imbalance, doesn't have a life except their addiction,

The gambler who had their good real life,better don’t get into gambling.Because the gambler who loss their funds need to wait for certain period to recover the losses.The gambler should spend time in the gambling to create the real tactics,if they are not ready for the analysis.So the results will be the negative one in the gambling site.This same was applied to the trading of cryptocurrency,the analysis was important.The life of the MJ are not going to change because of the gambling addictions.Because he had the steady income from his business,if he loss the money having in the bank account will not affect him.Because the next day income from his business is enough to live the peaceful life.

Those guys knows what they are doing and they are no were near addicts, because they are just after the money and nothing more for sure addicts is far different from a streamer or a brand promoter, as long as we don't know their private lives and how they handle their finances, this is both important determining whether or not they are addicted to gambling or just going after the big winning as streamers.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on December 20, 2023, 03:35:39 PM

He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict? I argue he's not. He just loves to do it, but any negative effects may be literally zero

I think this summarizes him to a large context with regards to what is been discussed.

Addition often counts towards a “Can’t do without’. When it’s something you can do with out, it means it’s something you do at your leisure, as you please and not really a most that you would have yo gamble everyday and with huge funds too.
Being able to control how you behave with respect to gambling and addiction is what separates you from being an addict. When it’s the other way round, that’s when I can consider you an addict. It doesn’t matter if your going about your job okay or other investments but, when the force of attraction towards gambling is more than that which you could control, then you could be said yo be an addict.

I highly doubt MJ qualifies to be regarded as an addict. Nope, he ain’t one.

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With just a bit of internet search, we can assume and generalize that Michael Jordan is a hardcore gambler and can be called an addictive gambler, even way back in time when he was at the peak of his career and big popularity. However, the difference between him and other addictive gamblers is, that he can afford to lose such a decent amount and even after losing those, he still has lots in his pocket like nothing happened.

With his current status as one of the richest athletes, there is no pressure at all for him to win avoiding intense emotions and inability to focus. I'm also sure he is a hi-roller therefore we can expect that his winning rate is pretty good overall. Being an addictive gambler is good as long as gamblers know their limit although MJ has no limits. Cheesy

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Basically whosoever that always gambles is a gambling addictive but a process whereby it gambles once in time or seasonal kind of gambling, Basically that person is not gambling addictive, but their is something that people misunderstood in gambling, you might be gambles and wining constantly, at that moment you are gambling and also wining gambling I know that what you are wining is Basically is because you are addicted in gambling that's what is making you to be gambling frequently, neither at situation you are losing or wining and you gambles almost every day you are addicted in gambling, the lose and wining doesn't determine addictive in gambling what matters is how regular you gambles

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Yeah, you can call him addict by definition, if he spend a lot of money gambling like everyday. But this guy is a billionaire, so whatever money he loses, he can easily recoup it back without actually chasing it with his investment, and then his shoe brand and others source of income.

However, for us, who doesn't have the money to gamble in the first place and then become addicted, then that is the very definition of a gambling addict as it will ruin our lives. But MJ, maybe he has control of himself or maybe not, but with the amount of money he is generating, I don't think he will be poor by gambling addict standards or the supposedly bad effects on gambling.

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Quote from: Dave1 on December 20, 2023, 04:55:04 PM

I think it's more of Michael Jordan being competitive in nature that's why he always on someone, specially in golf. And there are a lot of stories that he either lost of win on that bet. Again this is his way of getting ahead of somewhat, or at least in psychological tactic or warfare.

And him being a basketball player, the desire to always win is his in mind that's why he uses this somewhat of a betting as his way to get into someone's mind and then win.

As for this gambling in casinos, well he has all the money, he can definitely play whenever or whatever he wants.

It's worth considering that Michael Jordan was an extremely competitive individual, both on and off the basketball court. His passion for winning is well known, and it's possible that his involvement in gambling was more driven by his competitive nature rather than an addiction. This is what i think personally. Not always someone engages in gambling frequently doesn't mean he is addicted to it. it's crucial to avoid making hasty judgments and instead focus on his remarkable career he had on the sports world.

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Real story I was at balls in Atlantic city playing blackjack one day with my friends. Dealer mid hand told us to turn around which I thought was weird but low and behold jordan was about 10 feet behind us getting ready to go into the VIP room. Dealer told us everyrime he came in the play the 76ers or the Nets he would come in and play in the VIP room all night. Wish I knew I would take the under on his point total those games! Lol. Was a lot taller than I pictured

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Quote from: PX-Z on December 20, 2023, 05:51:56 PM

Quote from: ChiBitCTy on December 20, 2023, 03:35:39 PM

He takes care of his family, far from broke and gambling brings him entertainment.. so my question, would MJ be considered an addict?

Addicts are those who doesn't have life balance — gambling addict. In which the opposite how you describe MJ is. I don't even considered Drake as addict too. Because these people have other life than gambling, gambling to them is just entertainment, a way to spend their money.
Addiction is life imbalance, doesn't have a life except their addiction,

He still have life time deals and running business so we can't expect him to see got broke just for that. If he's engaging with any gambling activities then that's fine since sometimes that's how reach people get their connections and spend their time with their friends since this is somehow rich mans game where they find it entertaining.

But for only that I can't call MJ as gambling addict since that's not enough to call a person as that since we don't see him got broke nor showing some bad behavior towards his activity.

Maybe for now its better to call it as a hobby for MJ since sometimes we really got amaze how rich people spend their money and maybe MJ find gambling a way to shaken up his stress and enjoy while he have free time to spend. He's so damn rich and he's businesses still stable so he's far being broke nor get near to that if that is what people worried about.

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Yes, Michael Jordan is a gambling addict. But let's define addict here, it doesn't mean that he's wrecked or has arrogant behavior while being addicted to gambling. He has control, he is on himself, and he knows what his doing. Even spending lots of money on gambling, he already secured his finances on his responsibilities.

With how large his bankroll is specifically for gambling, it's impossible that he didn't win on some occasions. Therefore, everything is balanced. He also afford to put large amounts on his gambling bankroll because of his several investments. And since now retired from basketball for long, gambling might be one of his entertainment activities since then, with more time to spend on it.

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