Topic: Is Musk buying votes? (Read 363 times)

They will have a bigger impact on American made cars, since they are full of materials and components that imported from other countries that we have agreements with.   Plus, those countries will respond with Tariffs of their own which car makers will have to offset by raising prices.

In the end, replacing income tax with tariffs will put more money in peoples pocket, especially the people in the highest tax bracket, and make pretty much everything more expensive.  Americans will have more money, especially the wealthy, but it will be worth less....I think there's a word for that...

Actually it makes more sense and sounds like pretty much a political authoritarian strategy if you explain his tariff plan in that way, instead of being a macroeconomical way to try to push the United States upwards... Perhaps that is why technological giants and CEOS which production heavily depend on imported good have remained silent during this presidential campaign, specially since Trump started to talk about Tariffs. I have read the CEO of Apple has even tried not to comment on Trump rethoric for the sake of the future of Apple and even Microsoft is walking on thin ice.

Though, of there is some certainty on his tariff policy, it would be an increase on the prices for anyone in America who tries to import and drive electrical vehicles made in China, Joe Biden has already set an stunning 200% percent tariff on those EVs, which is good for Tesla and Elon Musk, if Trump wins those tariffs will get up to 500% or more and the stock value of Tesla will continue to increase because of that.

Generally, public service has always been known for its wasteful spending in the course of service delivery to the populace and if Elon believes he has ideas on how those wastes in governance can be cut then IMO I am foreseeing that in the end some group of persons might be denied a few services they enjoy from the benevolence of the government.  It's just my speculation anyway and I may not be correct.


Elon Musk is very much knowledgeable and a smart guy who I think may have gone ahead to scramble for possible ways he could be caught up in the net within the armhole of the US law for vote buying  before pulling up such string. But whether or not there are evidence to hold him for vote buying the reality is that the initiative definitely has been able to influence voters choice significantly.

No! No! Don't buy the votes. Sell the votes to Cabala.     

If we look at it straight, there is nothing wrong in saying Elon is buying votes but I think before using this strategy, he also consulted and was advised very carefully by lawyers first. So we need to rely on US law to be able to say exactly whether he is buying votes or not because US law also prohibits this.

And in the latest news, Pennsylvania judge has decided not to intervene in Musk's voter rewards program and said he will wait for a federal court ruling. This shows that they could not find any evidence or loopholes to prove that Elon bought votes. It is safe to say that they failed in their efforts to stop him and gave the reason that they will take the case to federal court.


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/judge-declines-to-block-elon-musk-1-million-voter-giveaway-as-billionaire-seeks-to-move-case/articleshow/114831110.cms?from=mdr

Elon Musk eyes radical overhaul of US gov’t as ‘Secretary of Cost-Cutting: Tesla and SpaceX CEO stands to gain a cabinet position if Donald Trump wins the US presidential election.

There are reports that Elon Musk will be part of the cabinet of Donald Trump working as a cost cutter. He has always talked about waste in governance and even said he would cut as much as $2 trillion from the budget. But he has not explained how he intends to achieve it. His companies have some lucrative contracts worth billions of dollars with the government. How will he avoid potentially huge conflicts of interest? My best bet is that he be given more lucrative deals and tax cuts. I am just wondering how the richest man in the world will be working under the most powerful president, there will surely be a conflict of interest.

The federal government signed over $15 billion worth of contracts with Musks companies this year, mostly spacex.

If he supported Harris, and Trump won, Trump would rip them up  and humiliate him.  No more richest man in the world.

If he supported Harris and Harris won he would be in the same place he is now.

If he supported Trump and Trump won, he gets control of his own federal agency, doesn't have to worry about following rules and regulations anymore, gets all the power that comes with everyone knowing Trump owes him some favors,  and he saves tons of money in taxes.

If he supported Trump and Harris won, he'd be in the same position he is now.


Tarriffs will be for people that criticize Trump, pose a threat to Trump, or people he just doesn't like.  Great way to get all the billionaires to bend the knee.

Elon Musk is a businessman and for him to carry on such initiative in support of one candidate (which we all know who that is)  in this USA election then it's safe to say he's got a cut or a stake for his empire should his preferred candidate emerge winner alas.

Surely it's no out of place to call that a vote buying mechanism, because ultimately, the initiative has every tendency to influence voters choice.  Like who doesn't want Elon's $1M   Especially in this economic weather.

If Musk isn't buying votes, he should be getting them any way he can.

The Federal Reserve Bank has been screwing us all ever since its inception, over 100 years ago. How do we know? Inflation.


END THE FED: Musk Supports Abolishing Federal Reserve

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https://www.infowars.com/posts/boom-musk-supports-ending-federal-reserve
Billionaire tech entrepreneur Elon Musk has floated the notion of abolishing the Federal Reserve System that issues US currency, a long-sought goal of freedom-minded, fiscally conservative Americans.

The Tesla owner shared his sentiments on X in response to libertarian stalwart Ron Paul, who commented on a video of Musk outlining plans to eliminate $2 trillion from the federal debt as Donald Trump's prospective head of a government efficiency bureau during his weekend appearance at Madison Square Garden.

"Elon cutting $2 Trillion from budget? Great idea! Start with some of the BIGGEST welfare recipients: Military-industrial complex, Pharmaceutical-industrial complex," the former Texas congressman suggested on Monday, adding, "Oh…and End the Fed!"

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Elon cutting $2 Trillion from budget? Great idea!

Start with some of the BIGGEST welfare recipients:

- Military-industrial complex
- Pharmaceutical-industrial complex

Oh...and End the Fed!

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Needs to be done

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Musk's response to Paul sent shockwaves throughout social media, with many excited the country might finally break free from the bankers' shackles of perpetual debt, as the private institution continually collects interest on US currency it prints into existence.

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The Ron Paul/Elon Musk crossover was NOT on my bingo card for 2024, but damnit, I’m all in!

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Renee Know Insanity
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Elon & Ron Paul working together?
Be still my heart!!!

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END THE FED!!! 🇺🇸🦅
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/31/elon-musk-court-hearing-voter-lottery

District Attorney of Philadelphia Larry Krasner has already filed a suit to challenge the legality of Elon Musk's reward to registered voters who sign the PAC petition. There have been discussions and arguments by Election law experts concerning the legality of this reward. But Elon failed to show up in court and requested for the case to be moved from Pennsylvania state court to federal court. Maybe the judgement of the court will determine if it is vote buying or not.    

Money is a trick. And the trick of money is a lie. Money only works if people believe in it. The more people who believe in money, the stronger money becomes for those who have it.

America wasn't originally designed to be that way. Originally America was designed so that personal rewards were the result of personal labor.

Government was poorly set up. Government didn't protect this for people. But it wasn't supposed to. Government protection is a form of slavery. People are supposed to be free.

For people to be free, they need a guide that is better than government. This guide was and is the Bible. Moses said, Deuteronomy chapter 4:
The best laws and freedom are there. Follow these laws, and the God Who set them up through Moses. There will be success for those who follow these laws and God. The most important of these laws are found in Exodus chapter 20... although there is greatness in the first 5 books of the Bible.

This is a truly extraordinary initiative where the American people will choose their preferred candidate through their vetting and they also own a huge amount of money. I believe that many people will be tempted to choose Trump and have a chance to get money.

To be fair, the political left in the United States are pretty much in for the adoption of electrical vehicles, and innovation within that field, so I don't see why they would turn against him as a business person when his business completely allign with the vision of the future the democrat party has for the country, to lower the levels of contamination in the country and fight climate change overall.
Also, one needs to see those big 1 million checks from the opting of a person who may not be explicitly in for voting for Donald Trump in a few days. Let us imagine some independent voter wants to participate in that give away for the chance of getting money, he signs the stuff after getting registered and applies for the lottery, by pure chance he gets selected and gets to meet Donald Trump and Elon Musk personally giving him one million dollars, there is a pretty high chance that independent voter turns into a Trump voter, only by the sympathy created in such a life changing experience. Even if the vote is secret, that person would feel the need to "give something back" for the money he received.

Even people in the audience who did not win the money could still vote for Trump out of the sympathy of such contest/lottery.

Musk believes in the American Dream. It has to do with building personal and private wealth in the only country left where you can do it honestly. It's also called FREEDOM.

Probably several reasons. One could be that Musk currently lives in a bubble of his own creation, thinking that everyone will vote for trump as his followers are voting for him.

Also trump has ton of legal bills to cover, and if Musk gave him private loans, he could use that as a leverage if trump gets to be president, and having a president in your pocket could be beneficial for a richest man in the planet.

There might be darker reasons, which can i only speculate without any evidence, but Musk have been in contact with Putin, and that makes me think Putin might have something bad on Musk that he is holding over his head. That would explain his radical change on views in last years.

Like the fact that diddy is one of Twitter's investors. And elon has stated that they are good friends and text a lot in his book. So it isn't far fetched that someone would have some incriminating evidence, and Elon's posts about diddy and democrats seem like projection in that light.

But about the issue of buying votes, DOJ as warned elon now: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/elon-musk-million-dollar-lottery-justice-department-rcna177009

Quite obvious. If the other side wins, it's going to be a living hell for him and all others who advocate for free speech, among other things. Trump is the better devil who could also

Nothing wierd if you are a businessman. Both are businessmen 

He did promise him a big position, but I doubt if it's in exchange for the current campaign he's running because it's not specifically targeting the trump supporter.

Elon Musk, is a smart business man and he'll exploit the loopholes in the US electoral laws to rally votes for his preferred candidate and from all indications it's Donald Trump. He didn't need to tell the people who to vote for because they already knows who he's supporting, so it's left for them to use their discretions and do the needful, ofcourse they can choose not to. This is a normal thing during election time, money bags will want to directly and indirectly rally support for their preferred candidate to protect their business interests. Anyway the American people knows what to, it's left for them to use their votes wisely, not because somebody is enticing them with money.

I wouldn't say outrightly that is vote buying, but buying of votes is always done during the election proper proper, however i believe this is some sort of inducement to woo voters towards Donald Trump side.
Elon musk hasn't hidden his support for Donald Trump, and he has before promised to roll out millions of dollars for the Donald Trump presidential campaign, so for him to be given out this cheques could be seen as him fulfilling what he has already said before now.
This is politics, you would have to deploy any tactics you know could be favourable you for you to help and win the election, and Elon musk is one of those on the front burner that really want to make sure Trump wins.

By the way, I wonder why Elon Musk has gotten some much into this presidential election so suddenly and so heavily supporting Trump for his second term. Somehow and in some way Elon must be planning to profit off a second term for Trump, which still seems weird to me considering Trump himself has mocked electric vehicles while comparing them with gas vehicles, so this is kind of wacky.
Do you believe there is a possibility Trump promised some governmental position within his administration in exchange of his big endorsement and the big money campaign he is doing for those who register? This probably have something to do with the I coming battle for the EV supremacy between EV companies headquartered in China and western companies like Tesla, which are in disadvantage by the way...

I have got the feeling tariffs for Electrical vehicles made in China are going to be up to 300% up in the case Trump wins and Elon is part of his administration.

There’s nothing anyone will ever tell me that will make me believe that a business owner backing a certain aspirant isn’t doing it because of what he or she stands to benefit. Even though everything turns out well and the leaders becomes a better one. Still doesn’t mean they backing him or her won’t stand the chance to benefit from their governance. That’s another strategy of making more money and being recognized globally.