Topic: Is Musk buying votes? - page 2. (Read 351 times)

Doesn't appear like he's buying the voters, though. If he was, then the "winners" would specifically be trump supporters, which is not the case. Also, I don't think he would be so foolish to do such a thing given that he is now one of the targets and all eyes are on him

Far better than how the other side is trying to use an already captured main stream media to stir things up

Buying votes for what? He candidate or something?

Well it’s clear that Facebook were interfering with the 2020 election, Zuckerberg admitted it. Google have also censored certain things to help the Democrats so I don’t really care what Elon does if it helps Trump. The system is bent so it’s time to fight dirty. If Elon can buy votes then whatever, let’s go Trump.

He's got enough of that If anything, he needs Trump to gain more power and influence.
Musk is willing to lose money now to make a change, which is why he bought Twitter and almost run it to the ground. He wanted to make a point.

Now, is he buying votes? What about Ripple that gave money to Kamala's PAC and announced it? It's like telling your investors that you're a fighting Democrat, so XRP army should help and also help however they can. Follow the leader.


Just look at Russia.
What happens there?
They organize transport for their voters and move them from one polling station to another. They pay people to throw in more than one ballot at the time.
One time when they counted votes the total was over 100% and it was aired on national TV.

As many as half of all the votes reported for Vladimir Putin in Russia’s presidential election last week were fraudulent, according to Russian independent media reports using a statistical method devised by analyst Sergey Shpilkin to estimate the extent of voter manipulation.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240320-shpilkin-method-statistical-analysis-gauges-voter-fraud-in-putin-landslide

What he should've done instead is said: "If and only if Trump wins Pennsylvania, I'll enter every registered voter in Pennsylvania into a 'Thank You PA!' lottery, where 30 people will each win $1 million." Alternatively, he could send $10 to every registered voter if Trump wins. Either one of those options creates an even stronger incentive for people to do whatever they can to get Trump to win, compared to what Musk is actually doing, but because it's disconnected from any particular person's action (ie. a person can get the reward even if they've never heard of it), I feel like it'd be on stronger legal ground.

I wonder what would happen if openly buying votes was completely legal. As somebody who doesn't idolize democracy, I'm not horrified by the idea, though I'm also not sure that it would be a net positive. If people buy votes purely for ideological reasons, and not as part of a plan to exploit their influence on government for profit, then they probably know more than the average voter and have more to lose, so that might actually be good. But it'd be really bad if you had a situation like: Candidate John Doe promises to make AT&T a monopoly again, so AT&T pays voters to vote for John Doe, and then AT&T makes back its vote-purchases via its resulting monopolistic rent-seeking. That'd be amplifying a problem which already exists in big government, where companies often have the ability and incentive to spend $1 million on lobbying for a policy which allows them to steal $0.01 from 300 million citizens, netting the company a profit, but not costing any individual citizen enough for them to care about it.

He's not buying your vote but buying your conscience so you get to vote for Trump even without being compelled to do so. He doesn't need to speak a word to those signing the petition. That Trump stood on the podium with him the day he gave out the first cash award speaks volumes to what he hopes to gain through this campaign strategy that might look like vote buying.

What medium do politicians apply in buying the conscious of the electorates? It's either they sweet talk them into believing that they are coming into office because of the interest of the people or they try to look for means of supporting the electorates moment that's close to the election to leave an impression on them. Legally speaking, you don't have a case against what he's doing because he's only trying to get people involved in the voting process and in the process reduce voters' apathy. It's left for the citizen to allow such a gesture affect who they eventually vote or not. But the fact remains that the likelihood of those that ends of signing the petition becoming trump supporters is very high.

Regardless of whether you like Elon Musk or not, you should sign up for this. Let us make the best out of any opportunity. If someone is willing to give this much money, let’s go and take it. Easy. 
Musk is associated with Trump so it makes sense if these voters would be encouraged to vote for Trump. It does seem like he is encouraging registering to vote more than encouraging one specific candidate but like you said that is how we see it in public. Without cameras, we don’t know what they are telling them.

Even if it’s vote buying, Musk is not directly involved in Trump’s team and I don’t think the money Musk is giving away came from Trump so there’s nothing that could be linked back to Trump.

But Like I said, just take this opportunity and if you don’t want to vote for Trump then don’t. No one will know anyway.

Really in the country where I come from, this is clear vote buying, because constitutionally, no one should pay anyone to vote for a particular candidate be it in direct vote buying or through proxy, and Musk is doing the obvious, and since he has alot of money to throw away, he is using it including his popularity to buy this votes for his friend and business partner Donald Trump, and for sure it clearly a pointer to how weak democracy have become globally, because in the history of American, this is the first time, a popular figure is coming our to pay people money to vote for his candidates and Indeed, Trump is going to be enjoying alot of benefit's that will trigger up his votes against his opponent in the coming general election.
Musk is a smart business Man, and he knows the importance and privileges that his company will enjoy is Trump tickets sail through and with all this support, any ways election globally is far from being free and fair, to highest bidder take the victory, just get a bag load of cash and just buy your way through that is what democracy have been reduced to in contemporary politics.

This is the first thing I think Musk has done that is seemingly going over the line. I don’t think he’s buying votes, as voting isn’t a condition of winning his million dollar prize. He’s paying you to register to vote and sign a petition. Still, the optics of it are bad and misinformed people will make it a talking point that Musk is trying to buy the election.

Go Musk Go!

About time somebody offset the Communistic operations of the Dem Deep State a little. Maybe I should join. I could use an extra $mil.

The is the US Code on electoral law that covers vote buying:
Elon Musk was smart to exploit the loopholes in the US electoral laws. He didn't pay anybody to vote for a particular candidate but to sign a petition so it is legal. This matter will be difficult to prove in court except there is an amendment in the electoral laws.

In my point of view, it is clear vote buying. Why will the petition favour Trump's policy (right to bear arms)? Why is the target the seven swing states? Why is this petition coming when election is close. Why is it targeting only registered voters? Can't this petition be signed without financial inducement?

I quite agree with you and if you look at it, the money he's giving isn't just to anyone that comes in, it is done randomly, like a lottery style jumbo and so far it's just one person that has won it as is shown in the Op.
 Elon is a business man that doesn't do things just on a whim but strategically placed so he can benefit out of it and to those who are claiming it's illegal and he should be called to order, if the matter is looked into, you'd discover that he's not paying the registered voters that amount because that would be illegal, rather he's paying those who are registered to vote and are willing to sign the petition.
 People who also refer other voters who sign are promised $47 each and for me this looks desperate on his path but to him he feels he just being supportive and cited that others like Mark Zuckerberg have done something like this in the past.

He can bribe and falsify votes, but the future will show.

Musk is not buying a vote by supporting his candidate with campaign, because he know that someone cannot use money to change people choice which is the reason is using this opportunity to encourage people to vote for the right person. He is trying to support his friend to make sure he win this upcoming election because he know what his friend Trump can do, if he win the election to become the president of the country, he will make sure he fulfill his promises to make cryptocurrencies users and other supporters feel comfortable in their plans. I believe you know that Musk is a business man that is well know in the decentralized investment and other businesses, any contribution he make now to support his candidate in this election, he will not regret because he will surely be favour by the president when he resume office, and you cannot call such support a vote buying because there is no constitution that is against such support in the election.

I have indeed seen people in the political left of the spectrum in the United States to call these actions by Musk to be election interference, though, one needs to point out how the document and the whole process does not explicitly imply the person needs to vote for Donald Trump for them to become elegible for the cash prize of one million dollars, so it could be defended in court as a process which rathers encourage voter registration than seeking people to sell their vote for Trump, the former is completely legal, while the latter is not.
There is a slight approximation to what Taylor S has been doing in this presidential campaign, by encoraging her fans to register and vote, though she never offered anything in cash for those who did it.  It is a tricky situation.

With his money, this is clearly present. He needs a Trump victory for wealth.

Most likely, it's not for nothing that he supports Trump.

So the premise is this, you register to vote, you sign a petition saying you support the constitution, and suddenly you're placed on a list with eligibility to get a prize of USD 1Mln.

Surely the vote is going to be secret, but your incentive to follow the above actions is clear.
As you live in a state important for the presidential election, a lot of attention is placed on your actions. So this petition put forward a clear pro-republican message. In no uncertain terms you'll know it's in support for Trump, although you'll be receiving no clear instructions on who to vote for, at least in public, you'll know what's going on.

Let's now be impartial, doesn't that seems like buying votes to you?