Is negative trust working? - page 2.

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Quote from: Vod on March 09, 2018, 11:58:58 PM

Ideally, managers that accept negative trust members should receive negative trust themselves. :/

And for what charges? Trusting the not trusted? Trust is too vague for that.

For these charges - Giving potential scammers/account traders/alt account ring enjoy the privilages of being in this forum (which includes campaigns)

Quote from: skorupi17 on March 10, 2018, 07:14:47 AM

Quote from: BitNaija on March 10, 2018, 12:31:01 AM

And how about managers with negative trust managing bounty?

What about them?

If some company hires such a manager then its a red mark for that company. Not that they would care much if they are not interested in the affairs of this forum.

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Quote from: Xiaolongnu on March 10, 2018, 03:49:17 AM

I think that no manager want to accept participants with negative trust. Maybe that they forgot to include it in their bounty rule.

I assume that they are just not bothered about trust ratings. Most campaigns are up to advertising only. They want more people to know about their product/service/project so they don't pay much attention to an account's reputation.

Like I said above the company might not be interested in the forum affairs and how trust works. They would be interested in promoting their project. However a DT-red trusted member is likely an alt account/sold account/loan defaulter or simply a scammer. If they promote a project then its going to get raised eyebrows from the public who view their posts.

Ideally DT-marked red trust members should not be allowed to participate. However managers should work on understanding which rating is BS and which one is valid.

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Quote from: Vod on March 09, 2018, 11:58:58 PM

Ideally, managers that accept negative trust members should receive negative trust themselves. :/

And for what charges? Trusting the not trusted? Trust is too vague for that.

Quote from: BitNaija on March 10, 2018, 12:31:01 AM

And how about managers with negative trust managing bounty?

What about them?

Quote from: Xiaolongnu on March 10, 2018, 03:49:17 AM

I think that no manager want to accept participants with negative trust. Maybe that they forgot to include it in their bounty rule.

I assume that they are just not bothered about trust ratings. Most campaigns are up to advertising only. They want more people to know about their product/service/project so they don't pay much attention to an account's reputation.

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Quote from: rajatjain on March 09, 2018, 11:49:36 PM

I see so many of the users of the forum who are having negative trusts getting accepted into bounty campaigns! Most of the campaigns do not allow users with negative trust to enroll in their campaign but there are some which do not follow this rule. Shouldn't the users with negative trusts be not allowed to set up signatures of any kind from the forum's end itself ?

With random jerks added to the DT system,no one really takes those negative ratings seriously.You could see how people suck upto each other just to be there,usually,only handful of members on the DT are rational with their ratings,everybody else is just taking advantage of the power.It's totally fine for the managers to accept members in the campaign if their ratings are not justified and they have high posting quality.

Quote from: rajatjain on March 09, 2018, 11:49:36 PM

To ensure that trust actually works and means something, shouldn't the campaigns which accept participants of negative trust be not allowed on this forum?

Why ? If DT members leave someone a feedback such as "Don't trust him he is an idiot" why would any campaign manager should take that feedback seriously unless he is paying upfront ?

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 10, 2018, 06:18:34 AM

Which campaigns exactly? This isn't really a forum issue either as there's no rules on what users campaigns can or cannot accept, but if they're a campaign that are just accepting anyone and an unlimited amount of users without checking the quality of their content they should face repercussions.

Correct.

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Quote from: rajatjain on March 09, 2018, 11:49:36 PM

To ensure that trust actually works and means something, shouldn't the campaigns which accept participants of negative trust be not allowed on this forum?

Well then. You can move forward and propose to ban all sig campaigns with spammy participants, the ones that encourage creating new accs and starting spam threads, or simply track the campaigns that accept shitposters. I believe that that will be the same campaighs that accept neg trusted members.
Imho the will to make this forum better is always good but extra moderation is always a double edged sword that might make the forum less friendly. For now trust in general works like.... trust in real life, where if you know that the person is not trusted you are dealing with him at your own risk because he may brake his obligations. The same things is applied here (at least DT members are advertising the campaign in the negative way).
Imho the forum rules shouldn't be changed. At least untill we face some serious threat from DT members that I believe will never happen.

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Quote from: guschin on March 10, 2018, 06:26:41 AM

I do not have enough experience with the trust system here but it is not good to allow members with negative trust (especially those with 2 or above) to participate in these campaigns. I understand the one negative trust might be possible due to some misunderstanding or revenge being taken but if someone has multiple negative trusts, the profile is suspicious. Only a campaign manager can tell the exact reason for such members being allowed to participate. One reason I can think of is that they are not getting enough participants with neutral trust because of multiple campaigns running.

You seriously need to learn and read more about the trust system before making a comment like this.

Members with negative trust from DefaultTrust will show up in case your trust list in unedited from the time you signed up on the forum. Any other member whom you add to this trust list - their trust rating will show up in "Trusted Feedback" as well. What we are talking about here are the trust ratings from DT1 and DT2 (mainly).

All other BS retaliatory feedbacks are generally not for DT and hence ignored. There is nothing wrong in ignoring those feedbacks from Neutral Trust members or those whom the manager does not have in his/her trust list. But ignoring DT trust ratings (except a few DT members) is not acceptable for the manager.

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I do not have enough experience with the trust system here but it is not good to allow members with negative trust (especially those with 2 or above) to participate in these campaigns. I understand the one negative trust might be possible due to some misunderstanding or revenge being taken but if someone has multiple negative trusts, the profile is suspicious. Only a campaign manager can tell the exact reason for such members being allowed to participate. One reason I can think of is that they are not getting enough participants with neutral trust because of multiple campaigns running.

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Which campaigns exactly? This isn't really a forum issue either as there's no rules on what users campaigns can or cannot accept, but if they're a campaign that are just accepting anyone and an unlimited amount of users without checking the quality of their content they should face repercussions.

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Which campaigns and which managers?

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Trusts are not all about stating that this person a scammers and evil maker in the forum, sometimes it shows what these people have done wrong and do it repeatedly, like begging merits, sending spam message, but it doesn't state or says they are banned from joining bounty, and some campaign still accept them because of their high-rank profile and the quality of their work.

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I have never seen a manager accepting negative trusted accounts because as stated in the rules, negative trusted accounts are not allowed to participate. But if that is the case, then perhaps some managers either do not pay attention which is hard to believe or they do not care about the negative trust system which seems to be suspicious to me. Perhaps they are more focused on how many merit points you have.

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Firstly, please provide links for the things you stated about the negative trust users who are currently enrolled in a signature campaigns, and before that do read the rules of that particular campaign before providing them, as there are some campaigns who allow USERS WITH NEGATIVE TRUST to participate in their campaigns as the companies who hires the campaign manger allows him to do so for promotional purposes.

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Quote from: Xiaolongnu on March 10, 2018, 03:49:17 AM

I think that no manager want to accept participants with negative trust. Maybe that they forgot to include it in their bounty rule.

There it is, manager accepts even members have negative trust because it was depend on the policy given by the company they have been promoted. Also it depends on the trust have the users and it was depends also the descretion of the manager.

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Quote from: rajatjain on March 09, 2018, 11:49:36 PM

I see so many of the users of the forum who are having negative trusts getting accepted into bounty campaigns! Most of the campaigns do not allow users with negative trust to enroll in their campaign but there are some which do not follow this rule. Shouldn't the users with negative trusts be not allowed to set up signatures of any kind from the forum's end itself ?

Those managers who dont follow the rule of "Receive Negative trust from DT1 or 2 will get you kicked from campaign" are not worthy or becoming managers in the first place and no company should hire then to manage their campaign.

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To ensure that trust actually works and means something, shouldn't the campaigns which accept participants of negative trust be not allowed on this forum?

A lot of things should not be allowed in this forum. There are flaws in the system. But you will have to accept them and move on.

Generally speaking people will receive negative trust if they are found cheating signature/bounty campaigns with alt accounts and for many other reasons like loan default and potential scamming. However if the manager does not care about these scumbags enrolling in the campaign then they are shitmanagers enrolling shitposters and vomitposters.

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I think that no manager want to accept participants with negative trust. Maybe that they forgot to include it in their bounty rule.

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Ideally, managers that accept negative trust members should receive negative trust themselves. :/

Maybe there is some kind of exemption regarding to those who have negative trusts. Negative trust is also working because many of them are now on the blacklists of some particular active managers here like lauda, yahoo and the other sensitive people with that they cant participate to their campaigns.

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And how about managers with negative trust managing bounty?

For the reason they're still running some campaigns I think they can still be trusted although maybe there are some issues about them.

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Quote from: Vod on March 09, 2018, 11:58:58 PM

Quote from: rajatjain on March 09, 2018, 11:49:36 PM

I see so many of the users of the forum who are having negative trusts getting accepted into bounty campaigns! Most of the campaigns do not allow users with negative trust to enroll in their campaign but there are some which do not follow this rule. Shouldn't the users with negative trusts be not allowed to set up signatures of any kind from the forum's end itself ?

To ensure that trust actually works and means something, shouldn't the campaigns which accept participants of negative trust be not allowed on this forum?

Ideally, managers that accept negative trust members should receive negative trust themselves. :/

And how about managers with negative trust managing bounty?

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Quote from: rajatjain on March 09, 2018, 11:49:36 PM

I see so many of the users of the forum who are having negative trusts getting accepted into bounty campaigns! Most of the campaigns do not allow users with negative trust to enroll in their campaign but there are some which do not follow this rule. Shouldn't the users with negative trusts be not allowed to set up signatures of any kind from the forum's end itself ?

To ensure that trust actually works and means something, shouldn't the campaigns which accept participants of negative trust be not allowed on this forum?

This is the post where trust system formally announced.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/marketplace-trust-211858

Below are the guidelines for giving trust

Quote from: theymos on May 21, 2013, 06:23:33 AM

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

So if you observe , most of the trust score given do not follow these guidelines.
Person who has given the trust is only capable of modifying it. No Administrator/Staff will able to modify it.

Even "Theymos" has negative trust . (Al tough person who has given him that trust did not followed any of the above guidelines, he just given negative trust because he is not agreeing with the views of Theymos)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/theymos-35

So in short, this is most abused system and you have to determine yourself whether you can trust that person or not.

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Quote from: rajatjain on March 09, 2018, 11:49:36 PM

I see so many of the users of the forum who are having negative trusts getting accepted into bounty campaigns! Most of the campaigns do not allow users with negative trust to enroll in their campaign but there are some which do not follow this rule. Shouldn't the users with negative trusts be not allowed to set up signatures of any kind from the forum's end itself ?

To ensure that trust actually works and means something, shouldn't the campaigns which accept participants of negative trust be not allowed on this forum?

Ideally, managers that accept negative trust members should receive negative trust themselves. :/

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I see so many of the users of the forum who are having negative trusts getting accepted into bounty campaigns! Most of the campaigns do not allow users with negative trust to enroll in their campaign but there are some which do not follow this rule. Shouldn't the users with negative trusts be not allowed to set up signatures of any kind from the forum's end itself ?

To ensure that trust actually works and means something, shouldn't the campaigns which accept participants of negative trust be not allowed on this forum?

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