Is Roger ver the only person who to blame right now? - page 2.

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Quote from: dothebeats on November 21, 2018, 03:26:29 AM

Quote from: jseverson on November 21, 2018, 01:33:51 AM

Isn't it caught in the crossfire because BTC hashrate is being used to support ABC? Genuinely curious as I haven't caught up with the drama.

Yes, AFAIK it is ABC who is receiving the hash power from bitcoin which resulted into a drop in the overall hash rate of the bitcoin network, though that's not enough to actually point a finger over what happened with the prices recently. Other traders surely have panicked when the price crashed lower than $5800 and everything started to crumble, and no, they might not have known about the drama between ABC and SV so it's somewhat wrong to assert that everything that's happening is solely the cause the petty drama between CSW and Roger Ver.

I was also the impression that Antpool and Bitcoin.com have re-routed their hash power from Bitcoin to Bitcoin Cash ABC that's why they have reported that they're winning the war against Bitcoin Cash SV.

Quote from: dothebeats on November 21, 2018, 03:26:29 AM

This will not be for long (hopefully) considering that bitcoin will still be the most profitable coin to mine should the hash rate continues to fall.

After what's been said and done, those mining pools will go back to Bitcoin because its where the money is. Once this war is over, and it looks like CSW's SV is losing the battle its just a matter of time when he realize that the fight is just useless to begin with.

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Quote from: vanmoreno on November 23, 2018, 01:43:50 AM

come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

Your thread is now 3 pages long with 375 views... I think that's worthy of a merit. Congrats, you're no longer a newbie.

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Quote from: leopard2 on November 21, 2018, 09:30:39 AM

OP are you f*cking nuts? Roger is not to blame at all, he just did his BCH upgrade.

It was CSW, Craigh Wright, who declared war on Roger and BCH and it was CSW who openly said that he is willing to destroy the entire crypto market by selling large amounts of crypto to finance his insane war.

Just google him and you will find out....

https://www.coinspeaker.com/hash-war-is-on-craig-wright-threatens-to-crash-bitcoin-price-down-to-1000/

Hash War is On: Craig Wright Threatens to Crash Bitcoin Price Down to $1000

OP is blaming the World Trade Center for Al Qaida attack,,, "is WTC the only building to blame right now" Roll Eyes

come on senior, i am newbie here, change my topics..am i deserve to be said nuts?

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Quote from: squatter on November 23, 2018, 12:49:13 AM

People are always looking for an explanation for big price moves. Instead of just accepting that a bunch of coins were dumped, they need to find something -- or someone -- to attribute it to. Timing the selloffs right while piggybacking on the hash rate war narrative probably helped to encourage more panic.

In the end, you're right, however, Ver's reputation has been irreparably damaged.

CSW never really had a reputation other than being a liar.

Both men are clearly sociopaths.

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Quote from: DooMAD on November 22, 2018, 08:53:39 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on November 22, 2018, 08:41:38 AM

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well. Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media. What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people? Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

Because the recent crash coincided with the BCH fork, and Wright's claims about selling BTC to fund his hash rate war.

People are always looking for an explanation for big price moves. Instead of just accepting that a bunch of coins were dumped, they need to find something -- or someone -- to attribute it to. Timing the selloffs right while piggybacking on the hash rate war narrative probably helped to encourage more panic. Now lots of market participants are thinking like this:

Quote from: leopard2 on November 21, 2018, 03:40:29 PM

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

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War is over ABC win, the roger ver laughed with his victory.. supported by a full force of jihan wu finally the whole blockchain bch was overpowered, and craight now proposed separation of territories but the war left blood everywhere, the entire market was injured ..

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Quote from: Corsicoin on November 22, 2018, 08:20:43 AM

If you guyz think anyone can affect the Bitcoin charts, then we have a bigger problem!
I thought Bitcoin was decentralized enough but it was too much asking.
Craig Wright or Roger Ver are the muppets from a show directed from above...

think again about decentralized when mining is controlled by one or 2 person, mining is centralized

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Quote from: franky1 on November 22, 2018, 07:43:40 AM

Quote from: nutildah on November 21, 2018, 11:28:18 PM

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

OK and how does this drop the price of BTC?

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Quote from: DooMAD on November 22, 2018, 08:53:39 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on November 22, 2018, 08:41:38 AM

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well. Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media. What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people? Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

You are right DooMAD. They do not deserve mention regarding the current market collapse. I will have to say again though as mentioned earlier: "Looks like Roger Ver and his Bitcoin Cash got the same treatment at the hands of Craig Wright that last year Ver himself tried to inflict upon Bitcoin."

I am going to unwatch this thread now.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 22, 2018, 08:41:38 AM

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

So the pertinent question becomes:

Why are we giving them both so much attention?

And I don't just mean this thread, but countless others as well. Based on nothing more than the fact that we've heard their names mentioned in the media. What is it that leads us to keep talking about these two people? Why does everyone naturally assume that they're even worth talking about?

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Quote from: BrewMaster on November 22, 2018, 08:27:33 AM

Quote from: leopard2 on November 21, 2018, 03:40:29 PM

Quote from: franky1 on November 21, 2018, 01:51:42 PM

ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

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go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips

if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

why? if CSW does as he said, he is selling BTC to fund his operation. He said he willl keep the BCH and sell BTC, and the crash started right away. He could very well be selling BTC across different exchanges or OTC desks.

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

think about the personality of the person you are talking about!
Craig is an attention whore who has been using every opportunity to show himself big and powerful, owning a lot of money, and went as far as claiming to be Satoshi himself!

a person like this who you claim has sold a lot of bitcoin, would have stopped at nothing to show his sales to the world and increase the panic.
but so far he has only "threatened to sell" and if you look at bitcoin's history, FUDs like this have always been successful in causing drops like this.

Wright may have claimed that he was Satoshi but both he and Ver are disruptive sources as far as Bitcoin is concerned.

They are both attention seekers

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Quote from: leopard2 on November 21, 2018, 03:40:29 PM

Quote from: franky1 on November 21, 2018, 01:51:42 PM

ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

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go on show me a
[bch/btc[^]] then [btc/usd[v]] then [bch/usd[^]] then repeat
that is timed within the dips with measures that show amounts of volume enough to cover the dips

if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

why? if CSW does as he said, he is selling BTC to fund his operation. He said he willl keep the BCH and sell BTC, and the crash started right away. He could very well be selling BTC across different exchanges or OTC desks.

He talked the talk, now he is walking the walk. With paper thin orderbooks a whale like him could very well trigger a crash like that (he says that too btw.)

think about the personality of the person you are talking about!
Craig is an attention whore who has been using every opportunity to show himself big and powerful, owning a lot of money, and went as far as claiming to be Satoshi himself!

a person like this who you claim has sold a lot of bitcoin, would have stopped at nothing to show his sales to the world and increase the panic.
but so far he has only "threatened to sell" and if you look at bitcoin's history, FUDs like this have always been successful in causing drops like this.

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If you guyz think anyone can affect the Bitcoin charts, then we have a bigger problem!
I thought Bitcoin was decentralized enough but it was too much asking.
Craig Wright or Roger Ver are the muppets from a show directed from above...

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Quote from: franky1 on November 22, 2018, 07:43:40 AM

Quote from: nutildah on November 21, 2018, 11:28:18 PM

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-15_Armata

a pretty dangerous colleague Wink

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Quote from: nutildah on November 21, 2018, 11:28:18 PM

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"??

its called a T15
google it

P.S btc SV is an altcoin and SV doesnt even have 5exahash of older s9's

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If what was explained here is the fact then Mr. Var is the one to blame. What is the problem is he having with bitcoin team? Can't it be resolved so that market will correct now and move in the right direction? Come to think of it, is bitcoin group helpless in this situation? can't they fight for their own and make sure that bitcoin survive this onslaught. Though we had a similar situation last year and bitcoin was able to survive and went ahead to make a new high.

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Quote from: JollyGood on November 21, 2018, 06:34:21 PM

How much BTC and BCH did Craig Wright hold?

Since Craig claims to be Satoshi, 1 million of each? Lmfao. But yeah, regardless of the truth of that statement, that figure is probably close to reality:

Quote from: https://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/australian-bitcoin-founder-craig-wright-accused-of-stealing-billions-of-dollars-worth-of-bitcoin-20180228-p4z21t.html

In the filing, Kleiman's brother includes what he says is email traffic between himself and Wright in which the entrepreneur indicates he may have been holding 300,000 of Kleiman's bitcoins.

Dave "mentioned that you had 1 million bitcoins in the trust and since you said he has 300,000 as his part,'' the computer expert's brother wrote. "I was figuring the other 700,000 is yours," he added in the email. "Is that correct?"

"Around that," Wright wrote back. "Minus what was needed for the company's use."

He could be burning through these for this drama.

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Quote from: franky1 on November 21, 2018, 01:51:42 PM

ver and craig drama have nothing to do with bitcoin

this topic should be in the altcoin section or the speculation section
show me a chart where large volume is arbitraging from

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if you cant show a arbritrage pattern then dont even attempt to say they are the cause.

Why do you insist that any of their ability to dump BTC is dependent on arbitrage?

Your alternative theory is "new asic miners"?? You need to provide evidence for your completely novel and unfollowed theory more than we need to provide evidence for ours.

https://ambcrypto.com/bitcoin-btc-there-is-no-liquidity-in-the-market-to-absorb-the-sell-off-says-bart-smith/

https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/11/22/bch-usd-price-analysis-bitcoin-cash-wars-force-giga-watts-bankruptcy/

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1048015/bitcoin-price-news-btc-sell-plunge-will-bitcoin-fall

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How much BTC and BCH did Craig Wright hold?

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If there's anyone to blame it's the people who don't understand markets and can only talk about celebrity gossip. If you think these particular individuals have too much influence, that's probably because you're giving it to them by hanging on their every word. If no one paid attention to them, they'd be irrelevant. Remember that Simpsons episode?

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