Is Satoshi Nakamoto an A.I.? - page 6.

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Quote from: deisik on February 07, 2017, 01:51:47 PM

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Seriously?, A.I is a Artificial Intelligence, which is made by human. So, how come that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I who created the bitcoin? My point here is, let's just say that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I and the one who made bitcoin, my question is, Is he the one that really made bitcoin?, No, right? Because Satoshi Nakamoto wouldn't be there in the first place if no one made him or program him, right? So, technically, the one who made bitcoin is the one who created Satoshi Nakamoto, if I'm not mistaken, well, we are just assuming that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I here, because he is really not an A.I.

We don't even know if Nakamoto is an individual or group of individuals

Or even a government agency which developed Bitcoin for some not quite clear ends. On the other hand, the idea behind AI is that it should be evolving, so it is wrong to assume that if it finds or designs something on its own, it is necessarily the creator of it who is behind these developments. If it really were so, humans themselves wouldn't be possible since any human being (or any other living being known to us so far, for that matter) basically develops from just one cell which has no intelligence whatsoever. Even self-learning neural networks wouldn't be possible in that case

Yeah, i also think about this sometimes, specially after i found this below. I think, it is totally relevant to their politics ideologies and what they did in the past and still continue. It fits perfectly their needs. And it is totally their style to act under a false flag Roll Eyes

October 31, 1996 HOW TO MAKE A MINT: THE CRYPTOGRAPHY OF ANONYMOUS ELECTRONIC CASH
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http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

international Monetary Fund (IMF) : One World, One Currency: Destination or Delusion? November 8, 2000
http://www.imf.org/external/np/tr/2000/tr001108.htm

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I dont think satoshi is an AI, i think if he was he would have down a far better job with the code at the start, i hear it was pretty bad. but again fair play for having the idea..... Grin

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First Satoshi Nakamoto is not an A.I, how can he be an A.I making that cool and long codes and the algorithms is so hard that he is the first person to think of that. Secondly, if an A.I made a program that hard, then why are we trying to do thinking new codes, just let that A.I think of new codes or algorithms for the programming problems in the world. And finally, I think even if an A.I did that, the one who made that A.I will be the one responsible in inventing it or discovering it. But I think he is not an A.I, how can he be known and he is a great programmer.

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Quote from: Vlad2Vlad on February 07, 2017, 08:14:36 AM

Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Interesting topic. Just earlier today I speculated the same possibility.

Anyone familiar with the Prometheus project?

Nope. What is this Prometheus project? Does it have anything to do with the movie of the same name?

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I really would like the creator of bitcoin to be a very advanced A.I even though it seems impossible to me. Say that it was an A.I can anyone imagine the potential of A.I's developers? On the other side if the claim of OP is real and an A.I in 2009 has created a revolutionary technology what this A.I had made nowadays? It's sure that he had settled the debate between blocksize and segwit supporters and the consensus would be a reality. So probably the bitcoin creator is not an A.I and we can continue to search the individual or group who developed it

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No I don't think that Satoshi is a A.I. He is just a visionary guy who want nothing of limelight when he develop bitcoin.

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Quote from: doomistake on February 07, 2017, 01:25:02 PM

Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Seriously?, A.I is a Artificial Intelligence, which is made by human. So, how come that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I who created the bitcoin? My point here is, let's just say that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I and the one who made bitcoin, my question is, Is he the one that really made bitcoin?, No, right? Because Satoshi Nakamoto wouldn't be there in the first place if no one made him or program him, right? So, technically, the one who made bitcoin is the one who created Satoshi Nakamoto, if I'm not mistaken, well, we are just assuming that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I here, because he is really not an A.I.

We don't even know if Nakamoto is an individual or group of individuals

Or even a government agency which developed Bitcoin for some not quite clear ends. On the other hand, the idea behind AI is that it should be evolving, so it is wrong to assume that if it finds or designs something on its own, it is necessarily the creator of it who is behind these developments. If it really were so, humans themselves wouldn't be possible since any human being (or any other living being known to us so far, for that matter) basically develops from just one cell which has no intelligence whatsoever. Even self-learning neural networks wouldn't be possible in that case

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Seriously?, A.I is a Artificial Intelligence, which is made by human. So, how come that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I who created the bitcoin? My point here is, let's just say that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I and the one who made bitcoin, my question is, Is he the one that really made bitcoin?, No, right? Because Satoshi Nakamoto wouldn't be there in the first place if no one made him or program him, right? So, technically, the one who made bitcoin is the one who created Satoshi Nakamoto, if I'm not mistaken, well, we are just assuming that Satoshi Nakamoto is an A.I here, because he is really not an A.I.

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There is no AI capable of this kind of brain power. AI has come a long way, but we cannot credit AI for a masterpiece like this. The

elements put together here, was carefully brought together from several different concepts and combined to form a perfect system.

The "attack" angles have been carefully though out and Satoshi made some errors in his original design, which was later rectified by

other developers. { Satoshi was a sloppy programmer } Grin

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Quote from: hajimasan on February 07, 2017, 07:18:12 AM

31000 line of code is not a big task for any programmers because I am just a moderate level programmer and writing 1000 to 2000( or may be more then that ) line of code is daily time table so I think writing 31000 line for a revolutionary technology is not behind our imagination. its possible to do that may he had some assistance or if he was alone then also writing 31000 line would hardly 1 month and for logics and algorithms and testing I will give him 1 year to write those and I think its enough

It all depends upon which kind of code is this

I think that 31k lines of code are just enough to make it totally beyond and above understanding of any human being even if they tried to comprehend the logic behind it all their lifetime (provided that it was in fact written by an intelligence by far surpassing that of a human being). And I specifically refer to program logic (i.e. what exactly this code is doing), not coding style like unreadable variables (which could be easily changed, anyway). On the other hand, if it is flat logic, then 31k lines are in fact nothing beyond our imagination

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Even A.I. someone should create

Even if it should be created by someone, that doesn't in the least mean that its capabilities will be limited by the capabilities of its creator. Is a calculator's calculating power limited by those who invented it?

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Quote from: Harlot on February 07, 2017, 11:10:46 AM

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Iron man has not invented Jarvis in our timeline yet so it is not yet possible. Windows is written in 50 Million lines of codes, so what do you think wrote it? Aliens?

It's not possible that Satoshi is an A.I who created or develop Bitcoin. If that happened than we all know it by now. And what is the A.I.'s purpose of creating Bitcoin? You still need humans to create such thing. Also who will be the one designing/creating the A.I? Isn't it obvious that we have not yet touch the boundaries of having an A.I in real life. Only in Sci-Fi movies it exist as of the moment.

windows isn't written by bill gates alone, history says its even stolen by him.
satoshi is a human, he knows his craft and that's very certain base upon his responses here in the forum. the guys just basically like burn his millions by forgetting the password of his wallet and he forget to save it somewhere which makes him more human.

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Why the hell do people even care? I read a lot of these kinds of theories who Satoshi Nakamoto is. He isn't an AI, he once roamed this very forum before and I don't think any AI is that capable of posting that complex replies. Another point is, Satoshi is gone for a reason. He does not want to be found. Let's all just let him be.

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Even A.I. someone should create.

So, it's obvious that Satoshi is human but we don't know if he is only one man or whole group.
It seems that Satoshi likes his anonymity and he is clever enough to protect his privacy.
So, I don't think that we will ever know true identity of Satoshi.
It's ok because we should really focus on bitcoin, not on the man who created bitcoin.

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Quote from: bamboylee on February 07, 2017, 10:36:07 AM

Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Iron man has not invented Jarvis in our timeline yet so it is not yet possible. Windows is written in 50 Million lines of codes, so what do you think wrote it? Aliens?

It's not possible that Satoshi is an A.I who created or develop Bitcoin. If that happened than we all know it by now. And what is the A.I.'s purpose of creating Bitcoin? You still need humans to create such thing. Also who will be the one designing/creating the A.I? Isn't it obvious that we have not yet touch the boundaries of having an A.I in real life. Only in Sci-Fi movies it exist as of the moment.

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Iron man has not invented Jarvis in our timeline yet so it is not yet possible. Windows is written in 50 Million lines of codes, so what do you think wrote it? Aliens?

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

lol

I don't think that bitcoin was made by an A.I. and I don't know if there could be someone who could make an A.I. like that but if so, then that would be so awesome . if bitcoin was really made by an A.I. for sure it would be more complex and maybe it will have more than 31,000 line of codes, just an opinion 'cause I am not a programmer Grin

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Quote from: TechnoYogi on February 07, 2017, 06:13:07 AM

Couldn't Satoshi Nakamoto be an A.I. Bitcoin's implementation was certainly complex involving 31,000 lines of code. Bitcoin was probably created by an A.I. What do you guys think?

Interesting topic. Just earlier today I speculated the same possibility.

Anyone familiar with the Prometheus project?

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31000 line of code is not a big task for any programmers because I am just a moderate level programmer and writing 1000 to 2000( or may be more then that ) line of code is daily time table so I think writing 31000 line for a revolutionary technology is not behind our imagination. its possible to do that may he had some assistance or if he was alone then also writing 31000 line would hardly 1 month and for logics and algorithms and testing I will give him 1 year to write those and I think its enough

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Then it will be more complicated to build an AI which could create bitcoin with complex 31,000 lines code.
There's many thing that more complicated than bitcoin and possible to be developed by human. For example when bill gates first built his Windows OS.

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I read some of satoshi posts and I don't think its A.I. At the same time I can't imagine what man on earth can restrain oneself from touching such fortune that satoshi has. And it will be conveniently for A.I. to invent Bitcoin to take control of men finances because it doesn't understand dollars

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