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Additionally if he could read and follow simple directions HIS POSTS WOULD STILL BE THERE.
That's not how free and open debate works you halfwit, by the way, accusing me of all people of being a leftist is just fucking sad.
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That's not how free and open debate works you halfwit, by the way, accusing me of all people of being a leftist is just fucking sad.
Nope, he just decided to run away, a sure sign of his debating abilities.
I don't consider people like you to be much better to be honest, I wasn't very happy when I saw you making a self-moderated thread about Donald Trump, it doesn't do much for your credibility, you win by not letting them derail the conversation with their bullshit assertions, not through censorship.
Excuse me captain better than you. Unlike that toolbag I actually have the capability to have a debate, no one is removing shit here buddy, he still runs away.
Additionally if he could read and follow simple directions HIS POSTS WOULD STILL BE THERE. Funny they all want their safe spaces, but when some one they don't agree with sets up a forum with simple rules they cry and cry about how unfair it is. Let me call the WAAmbulance. Could you possibly be any more hypocritical?
It is impossible to have a factually based discussion when there is nothing but constant derailment of bullshit rhetoric and petty arguing which YOU regularly engage in, aiding the avoidance of fact based debate. Also what makes you think I give a fuck about your judgements of me? You can't do much better than that retard. You just wear your libertarianism/anarchism like a convenient fascia to be disguarded when it serves you. It is just more trendy to pretend to be something else than what you are. At your core you are nothing more than a closet cry baby leftist like most people who claim to support anarchism.
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The reason why I asked this is purely based on Observation. Particularly the following:
1. Soviet Unions collapse.
2. China embracing a capitalist form of economy.
3. Fall of other communist and socialist regimes.
4. Increased foreign relations of Socialist countries with the United States (as the case of Cuba and Vietnam)
5. In my observation, no gains in terms of the struggle of the communists and leftists around the world.
This is an honest question as I do not have sufficient knowledge of the Socialist's plight and experiences.
Thank you for your response.
1. Soviet Unions collapse.
2. China embracing a capitalist form of economy.
3. Fall of other communist and socialist regimes.
4. Increased foreign relations of Socialist countries with the United States (as the case of Cuba and Vietnam)
5. In my observation, no gains in terms of the struggle of the communists and leftists around the world.
This is an honest question as I do not have sufficient knowledge of the Socialist's plight and experiences.
Thank you for your response.
Well it is an arguement that the US version of capitalism is considered unsustainable in the long run and is due to collapse like the Soviets socialism did.
What I expect is a shift towards a middle value or a form of economics to emerge that is socialist but also capitalist.
We can see some transitions to that from the most capitalist countries so it is interesting to watch.
Nope, he just decided to run away, a sure sign of his debating abilities.
I don't consider people like you to be much better to be honest, I wasn't very happy when I saw you making a self-moderated thread about Donald Trump, it doesn't do much for your credibility, you win by not letting them derail the conversation with their bullshit assertions, not through censorship.
Nope, he just decided to run away, a sure sign of his debating abilities.
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Are you done attacking a straw-man? I didn't say any of that...
All you have done through this entire thread is just make bullshit assertions and try to re-write history in order to suit your 'Socialism is the answer' narrative and ignored any evidence that proves you wrong. Of course people are going to lose their temper with you and by dismissing any points people make further you are only making it worse for yourself. This is why the left is largely done in politics, nobody will take you seriously if you just put your hands over your ears and scream as loudly as possible whenever you have to answer any serious questions about your ideology.
Cue his reply to you with more rhetoric, once again completely running away from even attempting to engage in any actual debate with me in 3...2...1...
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Are you done attacking a straw-man? I didn't say any of that...
All you have done through this entire thread is just make bullshit assertions and try to re-write history in order to suit your 'Socialism is the answer' narrative and ignored any evidence that proves you wrong. Of course people are going to lose their temper with you and by dismissing any points people make further you are only making it worse for yourself. This is why the left is largely done in politics, nobody will take you seriously if you just put your hands over your ears and scream as loudly as possible whenever you have to answer any serious questions about your ideology.
Why are you even posting in these forums if you aren't even going to answer peoples' questions properly? What? You think you could just spam propaganda and people would blindly accept it?
Would you like to debate any specific point I have made?
Or will you continue making yourself look foolish for a 7th consecutive post?
Or will you continue making yourself look foolish for a 7th consecutive post?
What fucking point? Everything you have said is just rhetoric. How about YOU debate MY POINTS. There are plenty in my original reply to this post. Or you could just pretend to be more of a victim. Boohoo.
Remember this? This is me debating and you running away...
First, look up the differences between communism and socialism
Second, look into the socialist countries that are doing well... Sweden, Norway, Denmark, most of Europe, etc
Third, name a capitalist country besides America
Fourth, America is in the shitter right now, and dragging the whole world down with it... America is most definitely not doing well... I'd go so far as to say America is fucked and another recession/depression is about to smash us in the face again
This is mainly due to the inherent corruption in the capitalist system... it's not a good system at all... it breeds corruption and the most corrupt will always end up with all the money... this is why 50% of the world's money is held by only 63 people
Second, look into the socialist countries that are doing well... Sweden, Norway, Denmark, most of Europe, etc
Third, name a capitalist country besides America
Fourth, America is in the shitter right now, and dragging the whole world down with it... America is most definitely not doing well... I'd go so far as to say America is fucked and another recession/depression is about to smash us in the face again
This is mainly due to the inherent corruption in the capitalist system... it's not a good system at all... it breeds corruption and the most corrupt will always end up with all the money... this is why 50% of the world's money is held by only 63 people
It is no secret the USA is in a depression right now, but capitalism and socialism/communism are just two sides of the same corrupt coin, both sides run by bankers. I might add that a large part of the reason the USA is failing economically right now is its more recent turn towards socialism. Capitalism is designed to build up capital while communism/socialism is designed to strip that wealth and tear down societies. It is just a global system of controlled opposition. Red vs blue, republican vs democrat, capitalism vs communism, only on a global scale. Just look at the soviet flag, it is composed of two ancient symbols, the hammer and the sickle. The hammer represents building society up, and the sickle represents tearing it down. It is right in your face. The Federal Reserve Bank even funded The Soviet Union for many years as Russia went bankrupt some time in the late 1800's. As far as socialism and communism being different, this is a lie because socialism is designed to segway the target society into communism. Read some of the writings of Lenin where he clearly describes it as such.
Capitalism > Democracy > Socialism > Communism > Repeat
Both sides are equally corrupt. The benefits of socialism/communism are short lived and end in the society consumes itself once there are no more people left to rob, just like cancer. Also don't fool yourself, America is not the only country in the shitter right now economically speaking, and you can not truthfully put the entire blame for this on the USA. USA does not have a monopoly on corruption. Additionally there are PLENTY of other capitalist nations, your implication that there aren't is asinine. Also China is very clearly a capitalist state even if they still harbor some communistic tendencies. The only difference is the capitalism is under control of the state. The state is not your friend no matter where you reside or what ideology you support.
As far as Europe doing well, I beg to differ. It's socialist tendencies are what is driving the massive immigration influx, and frankly Europe can not defend itself from the on coming onslaught coming down upon it, especially since most of Europe bans the private ownership of firearms. This leaves most of its residents defenseless against the radical militants which make up the majority of the so called "refugees", most of which are fighting age males not even from Syria. The welfare state in Europe is very clearly what is motivating this massive wave of immigration, in addition to militant goals of jihadist conquest.
In conclusion, both "sides" of this ideological conflict are corrupt and just two faces of the same bankster elite. However, given that capitalism is at least focused on the creation of wealth and keeps all the services we all depend on functioning, it seems to me that this is the better choice of two evils at the moment until things can be changed or reformed. Socialism and communism gives zero incentive to people to actually work and provide services resulting in societal decay at a much more rapid pace. Don't be sucked into this US vs THEM controlled opposition Hegelian dialectic. Ultimately both are losing strategies and tools of the elite.
Would you like to debate any specific point I have made?
Or will you continue making yourself look foolish for a 7th consecutive post?
Or will you continue making yourself look foolish for a 7th consecutive post?
I simply pointed out that you are doing nothing but talking about me, rather than my claims and presented fact and arguments
And for a fifth post in a row, you prove me correct
And for a fifth post in a row, you prove me correct
"talking about you" is not the same as a personal attack. Go take a class on logic, you severely need it. BTW my very first post had lots of facts and on topic information, but you just ignored all that didn't you? Could it be perhaps because you are incapable of logical debate and instead would rather feign victim-hood?
I simply pointed out that you are doing nothing but denegrating me, rather than my claims and presented fact and arguments
And for a fifth post in a row, you prove me correct
And for a fifth post in a row, you prove me correct
Are you still defending your stance of, "I'm not making ad-hominem attacks", by talking about me and only me... in a 4th consecutive post?
Are you daft?
Did you even bother to look up ad-hominem?
Here's a link for you... please read it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
PS. I don't troll forums all day... sorry... I don't show up whenever you cry wolf... that's not how this works
Are you daft?
Did you even bother to look up ad-hominem?
Here's a link for you... please read it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
PS. I don't troll forums all day... sorry... I don't show up whenever you cry wolf... that's not how this works
Just mentioning your name and calling on you directly IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. You are extremely ignorant.
You can't quote a single personal attack above that post BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED. I don't have to look up ad-hominem, because I already have many times. Unlike you I know what the definition of an ad-hominem attack is. Try actually reading what you linked, slowly, your reading comprehension is clearly not the greatest
BTW this is called DEBATING buddy, and they do it in schools all over the world as well as many other places. If anyone is trolling it is you.
No you don't show up whenever I post to you, YOU RUN AWAY for fear of having your ignorance exposed.
I'm done with this nonsense...
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
Only a great fool hates that which he does not understand... like religion... or picking a favorite sports team... or political team...
It's so easy to hate "the other" when you are ignorant of their position/beliefs
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
Only a great fool hates that which he does not understand... like religion... or picking a favorite sports team... or political team...
It's so easy to hate "the other" when you are ignorant of their position/beliefs
Oh please. You're an incompetent moron.
Yeah I just called you a fucking name. Why don't you read all my previous posts that I wrote. They all had points in which you could've provided rebuttals yet you didn't. I wonder why.
Maybe it's because you just want to suck ALL the money for yourself because you think that government will work better when it funds money to YOU. Sorry, that's not how it works.
Stop saying you know everything and no one knows anything and read a fucking history book. Everyone who lives with socialized medicine HATES it. Free college tuition is a joke. Socialism doesn't work.
This is the problem with leftists (because you hate it when I say liberal). You're all too fragile to handle a tough debate and need a safe space. All my posts were fine yet you rebutted them with shit saying I didn't know what I was talking about. Grow the fuck up.
Can't wait for Trump to win.
Are you done attacking a straw-man? I didn't say any of that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.
If anyone should feel obliged to call people names, it's me... yet I don't... why do you think that is?
How can you possibly claim something like, "Everyone who lives with socialized medicine HATES it"? Not only is this untrue, it shows you haven't bothered to research the subject... It also shows you are ignorant enough to believe that a large group of people could ever agree on anything...
You do call people names. Stop acting as if you're the best person here and that no one else matters.
Why is it that you hate opposition? You can only call people who disagree with you ignorant.
Oh, by the way, I live in a country with socialized medicare. I have to pay high taxes and with our Liberal government, this thing is only going to get bigger. Every time I need to get a doctor, I wait HOURS on end. Stop acting as if you know every thing. In countries with socialized medicine, doctors are underpaid and patients have huge wait times. Many people die because of it.
It's you who's the ignorant one here. But what the fuck am I doing debating with a social justice warrior, black lives matter, Bernie supporter. You're all the same - ignorant towards socialism wanting to vacuum all our taxes out for yourselves. Just wait until a dictator gets into power and throws you on the street like in Cuba. You'll be sucking up to capitalists trying to get out of that country when you realize the socialist dictator, like what happened to the Cubans, will not let them out.
I'm done with this nonsense...
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
Only a great fool hates that which he does not understand... like religion... or picking a favorite sports team... or political team...
It's so easy to hate "the other" when you are ignorant of their position/beliefs
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
Only a great fool hates that which he does not understand... like religion... or picking a favorite sports team... or political team...
It's so easy to hate "the other" when you are ignorant of their position/beliefs
Oh please. You're an incompetent moron.
Yeah I just called you a fucking name. Why don't you read all my previous posts that I wrote. They all had points in which you could've provided rebuttals yet you didn't. I wonder why.
Maybe it's because you just want to suck ALL the money for yourself because you think that government will work better when it funds money to YOU. Sorry, that's not how it works.
Stop saying you know everything and no one knows anything and read a fucking history book. Everyone who lives with socialized medicine HATES it. Free college tuition is a joke. Socialism doesn't work.
This is the problem with leftists (because you hate it when I say liberal). You're all too fragile to handle a tough debate and need a safe space. All my posts were fine yet you rebutted them with shit saying I didn't know what I was talking about. Grow the fuck up.
Can't wait for Trump to win.
Are you done attacking a straw-man? I didn't say any of that...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not advanced by that opponent.
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e. "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue.
If anyone should feel obliged to call people names, it's me... yet I don't... why do you think that is?
How can you possibly claim something like, "Everyone who lives with socialized medicine HATES it"? Not only is this untrue, it shows you haven't bothered to research the subject... It also shows you are ignorant enough to believe that a large group of people could ever agree on anything...
I'm done with this nonsense...
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
Oh please. You're an incompetent moron.
Yeah I just called you a fucking name. Why don't you read all my previous posts that I wrote. They all had points in which you could've provided rebuttals yet you didn't. I wonder why.
Maybe it's because you just want to suck ALL the money for yourself because you think that government will work better when it funds money to YOU. Sorry, that's not how it works.
Stop saying you know everything and no one knows anything and read a fucking history book. Everyone who lives with socialized medicine HATES it. Free college tuition is a joke. Socialism doesn't work.
This is the problem with leftists (because you hate it when I say liberal). You're all too fragile to handle a tough debate and need a safe space. All my posts were fine yet you rebutted them with shit saying I didn't know what I was talking about. Grow the fuck up.
Can't wait for Trump to win.
I'm done with this nonsense...
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
Only a great fool hates that which he does not understand... like religion... or picking a favorite sports team... or political team...
It's so easy to hate "the other" when you are ignorant of their position/beliefs
All anyone has done is call me names because they disagree with the facts which I have presented
Not a single person has tried to debate me over anything... simply calling me names, labels, etc
Stupid trolls ruin the discussion for everyone
Only a great fool hates that which he does not understand... like religion... or picking a favorite sports team... or political team...
It's so easy to hate "the other" when you are ignorant of their position/beliefs
Socialism is a FAILED system that has never proven to work, not once.
Do some research... simply do a little research before talking about things you don't understand... you look stupid when you make false claims like this as your opening sentence
Something is not true simply because you believe it to be true...
Something is not true simply because you refuse to look at the facts
Something is not true simply because you ignore the evidence
You do not define reality... sorry, you are wrong
The amount of bigotry, hypocrisy and double standards that exists inside of you Liberals is baffling.
Who is a Liberal?
Why do you label people you disagree with, "Liberal"?
Have I made any points that are even "liberal" oriented?
Do you understand the liberal position at all?
Do you understand any position besides your own?
I could see you calling me a socialist, but liberal?!?
I must repeat this. GO TO VENEZUELA. GO TO CUBA. LIVE THERE. Let's see how much you like "Democratic Socialism" after you've been robbed of your soul after being there for less than a month.
The problem is... you still don't understand simple things...
Like, both Venezuela and Cuba are communist, not socialist...
Also, read my previous post (right above yours) about how this is not evidence of anything
The fact that the only evidence anyone has used to support their claim that socialism is bad... is...
"A lot of socialist countries have failed"...
Simply shows... you don't have a clue what you are talking about...
1) You ignore the socialist countries that are doing well
2) You wrongly assume that the reason the country failed is "because of socialism"
This simply shows you have not bothered to research the details of the collapse of a country... It is never "because of socialism", and always because of corruption in some form or another...
Do some bloody research before spreading false propaganda
"A lot of socialist countries have failed"...
Simply shows... you don't have a clue what you are talking about...
1) You ignore the socialist countries that are doing well
2) You wrongly assume that the reason the country failed is "because of socialism"
This simply shows you have not bothered to research the details of the collapse of a country... It is never "because of socialism", and always because of corruption in some form or another...
Do some bloody research before spreading false propaganda
I'm not ignoring anything. You haven't presented any facts.
Here. Tell me ONE country that is prospering from socialism. One country where their big government works.
Or will you just call me ignorant as you try and reap all tax funds for yourself?
Socialism is a FAILED system that has never proven to work, not once.
Do some research... simply do a little research before talking about things you don't understand... you look stupid when you make false claims like this as your opening sentence
Something is not true simply because you believe it to be true...
Something is not true simply because you refuse to look at the facts
Something is not true simply because you ignore the evidence
You do not define reality... sorry, you are wrong
The amount of bigotry, hypocrisy and double standards that exists inside of you Liberals is baffling.
Who is a Liberal?
Why do you label people you disagree with, "Liberal"?
Have I made any points that are even "liberal" oriented?
Do you understand the liberal position at all?
Do you understand any position besides your own?
I could see you calling me a socialist, but liberal?!?
Here we go again. You can't respond with facts, just saying shit like "do you even understand the Liberal position?"
Of fucking course I do. I was a Liberal years ago. I voted Liberal far too many times before I finally grew the fuck up and realized how dumb the ideology actually is. I remember being an ignorant Liberal not understanding how the world worked. You know why? Because I had student loans, debt. I was anxious and wanted government to fix it all for me. Liberalism is a dream made up of millenials who need to wake the fuck up!
And yes, read your thread about "feeling the bern". You clearly identify as a Bernie supporter and are thus a Liberal. You know that Bernie is Liberal right? I don't give two shits if he calls himself a "democratic socialist" he's a Liberal.
But no just make up things like I have no clue what I'm talking about.
I must repeat this. GO TO VENEZUELA. GO TO CUBA. LIVE THERE. Let's see how much you like "Democratic Socialism" after you've been robbed of your soul after being there for less than a month.
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