Topic: Is Socialism losing against Capitalism? - page 4. (Read 2047 times)

Apparently you didn't read, so I'll repeat it...

Rich people are corrupt in every country... the difference is, America built tax-havens into the system, so they don't need Panama to do their dirty work... Delaware does that job for America...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_haven




Also... when the banks destroyed the economy... America handed them even more money... Iceland put the bankers in jail

Capitalism is corruption at its finest

You just said Socialism works and that Capitalism is corrupt and in the same thread just said that the leader of a country you assume to be Socialist a leader of one of them was forced to resign over tax evasion. If there's one thing I've learned on my short time on my planet is the biggest difference between Socialists and Capitalists is that the majority of Socialists are brazen and insufferable hypocrites while Capitalists aren't, at least they don't lie about their intentions and just want to make money.

Stop bullshitting me and trying to make it out as if I'm in the wrong when I point out you are, you aren't going to convince me of anything by lying.

Sounds like something a man might say when he's wrong and doesn't have a legitimate response...


The difference between socialism and capitalism is simple:

The leader of Iceland (socialist country) was just forced to resign because he used Mossack Fonseca...

Americans are not on the list from Mossack Fonseca... do you know why?

In America (capitalist country), the billionaires do not need to outsource their corruption to Panama for tax evasion... all they need is to set up the corporation in Delaware... we have corruption built into the system... no need for a 3rd-party country to hide our assets... we're openly corrupt in America

Yeah yeah, you keep telling yourself that.

Venezuela is one of the countries that America has bankrupted for profit...

Their hyperinflation is a direct result of American meddling

It is fucking worse than America, while America's not great by any means and it's going to collapse along with the rest of Europe acting as if socialism is some fucking paragon of economics and is bringing joy and happiness to the world is a total fucking lie and nobody here is pretending that Capitalism is perfect so pretending as if Socialism is great is fucking disingenuous at best. Go and look at the country called Venezuela, that is what happens when you have a country that decides to go fully socialist, I will not be dragged into your bullshit ideology by force if I don't want to when there are so many examples of it failing miserably.

Also, at least in America people still have the second amendment despite constant attempts by the left to get rid of it so they can defend themselves, meanwhile in Europe we are completely fucked if people decide to go on a rampage.

You act like its worse than America...

You don't think American leaders are doing the same and worse?  American leaders bankrupt other countries for profit...

Honestly, the fucking denial is unbelievable.

It's a shame you believe all the nationalist propaganda you have been fed by the American media... sorry, I've actually visited other countries... it's pretty nice there

lol yeah, they're doing real well, with Europe on the brink of collapse and the native population getting fucked over by incompetent leaders who refuse to acknowledge that any real issues exist like yourself along with high tax rates and idiotically expensive living costs.

Honestly, the fucking denial is unbelievable.

There's never been pure capitalism. Check how the US defence industry works. Looked at in the cold light of day it would be classed as appallingly socialist. The contracts are doled out equally between the contractors to keep them happy.

In certain cases like Lockheed they were told flat out that they were the better candidate but the contract had to go to Northrop to make sure they stayed afloat.

Another thing to point out is that the form of communism you are familiar with (soviet union), it not the ideal communist setup by Karl Marx...

It's not that communism is bad, it's simply that the soviet union was not really communism... it was a dictatorship in disguise as communism

Similarly, the US is not a democracy, nor is China a republic (people's republic of China)

People misuse labels to confuse you...

America claims to be a democracy... yet it is set up as a republic, not a democracy... and, it's not even a republic because the people who write the laws are lobbyists... paid by corporations and billionaires... making America effectively an oligarchy...

This is the stuff they won't teach you in school... America is an oligarchy, masquerading as a democratic-republic

I think that you are mixing communism and socialism.
Communism and Socialism are not the same thing.
Communist failed in most countries in the world.
China modified their social system and accepted free market and capitalism in economy.
In the same way, with police they strongly protect their political system.
Real socialism we have today in Scandinavia, Sweden, Finland, Norway etc.
Social benefits people in this countries have from the government are great.
Socialism is always concentrate (and protect) on peoples needs first while capitalism is concentrate (and protect) on capital first.
Communism always was unrealistic utopia and in every country turned to brutal dictatorships.
In the long term, I think socialism will win because people will demand it, that politicians and government protect and help more average people, their voters, than corporations and big companies.

no i do not think so that socialism is losing against capitalism.
capitalism is in some countries not all.
and socialism is in almost many countries.
so i think that a win against capitalism.

It is no secret the USA is in a depression right now, but capitalism and socialism/communism are just two sides of the same corrupt coin, both sides run by bankers. I might add that a large part of the reason the USA is failing economically right now is its more recent turn towards socialism. Capitalism is designed to build up capital while communism/socialism is designed to strip that wealth and tear down societies. It is just a global system of controlled opposition. Red vs blue, republican vs democrat, capitalism vs communism, only on a global scale. Just look at the soviet flag, it is composed of two ancient symbols, the hammer and the sickle. The hammer represents building society up, and the sickle represents tearing it down. It is right in your face. The Federal Reserve Bank even funded The Soviet Union for many years as Russia went bankrupt some time in the late 1800's. As far as socialism and communism being different, this is a lie because socialism is designed to segway the target society into communism. Read some of the writings of Lenin where he clearly describes it as such.

Capitalism > Democracy > Socialism > Communism > Repeat

Both sides are equally corrupt. The benefits of socialism/communism are short lived and end in the society consumes itself once there are no more people left to rob, just like cancer. Also don't fool yourself, America is not the only country in the shitter right now economically speaking, and you can not truthfully put the entire blame for this on the USA. USA does not have a monopoly on corruption. Additionally there are PLENTY of other capitalist nations, your implication that there aren't is asinine.  Also China is very clearly a capitalist state even if they still harbor some communistic tendencies. The only difference is the capitalism is under control of the state. The state is not your friend no matter where you reside or what ideology you support.

As far as Europe doing well, I beg to differ. It's socialist tendencies are what is driving the massive immigration influx, and frankly Europe can not defend itself from the on coming onslaught coming down upon it, especially since most of Europe bans the private ownership of firearms. This  leaves most of its residents defenseless against the radical militants which make up the majority of the so called "refugees", most of which are fighting age males not even from Syria. The welfare state in Europe is very clearly what is motivating this massive wave of immigration, in addition to militant goals of jihadist conquest.

In conclusion, both "sides" of this ideological conflict are corrupt and just two faces of the same bankster elite. However, given that capitalism is at least focused on the creation of wealth and keeps all the services we all depend on functioning, it seems to me that this is the better choice of two evils at the moment until things can be changed or reformed. Socialism and communism gives zero incentive to people to actually work and provide services resulting in societal decay at a much more rapid pace. Don't be sucked into this US vs THEM controlled opposition Hegelian dialectic. Ultimately both are losing strategies and tools of the elite.

Thanks for the input. I've never imagined that Communism and Socialism are somewhat two separate ideas (Maybe because that is what I heard of during my college days). Also never thought that the progressive countries you mentioned are socialist.

I am also somewhat surprised that even most of Americans themselves do somewhat agree with your idea that their country is in a bad state. There are also people who regard the rise of China as a good thing too, though I just heard it from opinions of some of the folks in my locality. Maybe most would think the opposite.

First, look up the differences between communism and socialism

Second, look into the socialist countries that are doing well... Sweden, Norway, Denmark, most of Europe, etc

Third, name a capitalist country besides America

Fourth, America is in the shitter right now, and dragging the whole world down with it... America is most definitely not doing well... I'd go so far as to say America is fucked and another recession/depression is about to smash us in the face again

This is mainly due to the inherent corruption in the capitalist system... it's not a good system at all... it breeds corruption and the most corrupt will always end up with all the money... this is why 50% of the world's money is held by only 63 people

The reason why I asked this is purely based on Observation. Particularly the following:
1. Soviet Unions collapse.
2. China embracing a capitalist form of economy.
3. Fall of other communist and socialist regimes.
4. Increased foreign relations of Socialist countries with the United States (as the case of Cuba and Vietnam)
5. In my observation, no gains in terms of the struggle of the communists and leftists around the world.

This is an honest question as I do not have sufficient knowledge of the Socialist's plight and experiences.

Thank you for your response.