Topic: Is stealing Bitcoins illegal? - page 2. (Read 24258 times)
I didn't respond to that (because I'm not certain). I responded to you saying that the case would imply that in the Netherlands stealing mined coins is not illegal while stealing bought coins is. My response? No, that is utter nonsense.
Ok something being legal or not doesn't make it right or wrong something being Illegal doesn't make it right or wrong. The people who decide what is legal or illegal do not decide what universally is right or wrong . . They are not god. . the people who decide what is legal or illegal do not decide or influence the universal laws of what is right or wrong. . When something is taken from someone that doesn't belong to you you can very easily answer the question wether it is right or or wrong . . wether if you would have liked to have happened it to you. You're an extremely dumb fuck Rob. Have a look at the name of this subsection of the forum. Now have a look at the name of the thread.
Now please have a think about whether this thread is about the morality of stealing, or whether it is discussing a legal issue.
You clearly cannot write, and it seems you have trouble with reading too. One wonders why you bother participating in a forum, since you are so poorly equipped to do so.
Happy new year you imbecile.
I define stealing as a way of acquiring what s not your's .
I didn't respond to that (because I'm not certain). I responded to you saying that the case would imply that in the Netherlands stealing mined coins is not illegal while stealing bought coins is. My response? No, that is utter nonsense.
Ok something being legal or not doesn't make it right or wrong something being Illegal doesn't make it right or wrong. The people who decide what is legal or illegal do not decide what universally is right or wrong . . They are not god. . the people who decide what is legal or illegal do not decide or influence the universal laws of what is right or wrong. . When something is taken from someone that doesn't belong to you you can very easily answer the question wether it is right or or wrong . . wether if you would have liked to have happened it to you. Ok had to get in on the action....lol
Getting somebody to send u coins would be a simple case of "FRAUD"
"Obtaining benefit by deception" in australian law ...
BTC\LTC is benefit by anybody's viewpoint
The fraudulent story used to get you to transfer the BTC is the crime....
BTC is the agreed method of payment...(BTC\LTC can easily be classified as shares/bonds/etc)
Case closed...
I didn't respond to that (because I'm not certain). I responded to you saying that the case would imply that in the Netherlands stealing mined coins is not illegal while stealing bought coins is. My response? No, that is utter nonsense.
Ok something being legal or not doesn't make it right or wrong something being Illegal doesn't make it right or wrong. The people who decide what is legal or illegal do not decide what universally is right or wrong . . They are not god. . the people who decide what is legal or illegal do not decide or influence the universal laws of what is right or wrong. . When something is taken from someone that doesn't belong to you you can very easily answer the question wether it is right or or wrong . . wether if you would have liked to have happened it to you.
Why r you so interested in this charlie? What r you really trying to find out?
I didn't respond to that (because I'm not certain). I responded to you saying that the case would imply that in the Netherlands stealing mined coins is not illegal while stealing bought coins is. My response? No, that is utter nonsense.
There are also two countries where it may be a crime. In Japan a young man was arrested for "virtual mugging" in a game called Lineage 2. A Dutch teenager was also arrested for stealing virtual furniture in a visual chat environment called Habbo Hotel. However I can't find any information as to whether either of these arrests lead to prosecution and conviction. After the Dutch arrest a spokesperson for the company which developed Habbo Hotel said "It is theft because the items were bought with real money." So perhaps in Holland it is only illegal to steal coins which have been purchased and not mined.
I haven't read the entire thread but I and read about it in the paper. Basically if you forcefully take something from someone else (or force someone to give it to you) what represents value it's theft. What the company said is not relevant. (In the case the thieves physically threatened the boy to send them the virtual property).
I don't think you read even my entire first post. I am talking about fraud situations where people are tricked into willingly sending their coins, as I stated.
There are also two countries where it may be a crime. In Japan a young man was arrested for "virtual mugging" in a game called Lineage 2. A Dutch teenager was also arrested for stealing virtual furniture in a visual chat environment called Habbo Hotel. However I can't find any information as to whether either of these arrests lead to prosecution and conviction. After the Dutch arrest a spokesperson for the company which developed Habbo Hotel said "It is theft because the items were bought with real money." So perhaps in Holland it is only illegal to steal coins which have been purchased and not mined.
I haven't read the entire thread but I and read about it in the paper. Basically if you forcefully take something from someone else (or force someone to give it to you) what represents value it's theft. What the company said is not relevant. (In the case the thieves physically threatened the boy to send them the virtual property).
Do any of you actually think a government is going to make laws to protect bitcoin users?
Many people use it to launder money, sell drugs and support terrorists. Anonymously.
Bitcoin is the governments worst nightmare.
I had the understanding that bitcoin was an underground currency void of big bank and government regulations.
If you want rules and laws stick to paypal.
The only laws that will be put in place for bitcoin will be punishment laws not protection laws.
I'm sure the laws will fall under homeland security or anti-terrorist laws.
As far as theft, how would you value the bitcoins? Tell the judge that mt.gox says they are worth $12 a piece? Who is mt.gox really?
The beauty of bitcoin is that it is unregulated and not bound by laws.
It may not be morally right to steal bitcoins but if you think laws will be made to favor bitcoin users you are sadly mistaken.
just my opinion...i have no facts.
Many people use it to launder money, sell drugs and support terrorists. Anonymously.
Bitcoin is the governments worst nightmare.
I had the understanding that bitcoin was an underground currency void of big bank and government regulations.
If you want rules and laws stick to paypal.
The only laws that will be put in place for bitcoin will be punishment laws not protection laws.
I'm sure the laws will fall under homeland security or anti-terrorist laws.
As far as theft, how would you value the bitcoins? Tell the judge that mt.gox says they are worth $12 a piece? Who is mt.gox really?
The beauty of bitcoin is that it is unregulated and not bound by laws.
It may not be morally right to steal bitcoins but if you think laws will be made to favor bitcoin users you are sadly mistaken.
just my opinion...i have no facts.
I'm new to these boards but IMO this is the best post in this thread.
Governments can pass/change laws but will only do so if it's in their own interest and certainly not to help BTC gain ground. I reckon governments are happy to see BTC scams happen as it may tag this currency "unsafe" to the general public.
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I'm here because I find BTC a fascinating phenomenon and joined BTC guild just to have a taste of BTC mining using just my pc's gpu. The same day the pool was targeted by a ddos attack and another ocured the next day. Made me think who would be interested in hampering the mining operation. Wouldn't be rival miners would it?
On the way home from a night out you find a girl intoxicated on the side walk. Would taking her home be kidnapping?
Of course not, that's just being a good citizen. Oh wait, you mean taking her to my home... What if I take her to my home first, then take her back to her home afterwards? Not stealing, just borrowing. 
Finding / discovering others money or property is not stealing, just keeping it is a crime. you have to make an effort to find the owner or turn it over to the authorities.
On the way home from a night out you find a girl intoxicated on the side walk. Would taking her home be kidnapping?
On the way home from a night out you find a girl intoxicated on the side walk. Would taking her home be kidnapping?
What about this: I generate a new address and it turns out it already has coins in it. Would sending those coins to another address be illegal? 
What about this: I buy a new lock and it turns out the key opens the door to someone else's home. Would moving things from that house to mine be illegal?
You buy a new car, you drive home, you open the trunk and you find a huge gold bar. Finder's keepers.
What about this: I generate a new address and it turns out it already has coins in it. Would sending those coins to another address be illegal?
What about this: I buy a new lock and it turns out the key opens the door to someone else's home. Would moving things from that house to mine be illegal?
Touché.
What about this: I generate a new address and it turns out it already has coins in it. Would sending those coins to another address be illegal?
What about this: I buy a new lock and it turns out the key opens the door to someone else's home. Would moving things from that house to mine be illegal?
What about this: I generate a new address and it turns out it already has coins in it. Would sending those coins to another address be illegal?
It's illegal. Scamming and stealing and hacking are all illegal. And if courts are stupid we explain the bitcoin.
They realise it has a large real world value. No law references the virtual currencies. But under the general 4 laws of society.
No stealing
No murder.
No terrorism.
No scamming.
They realise it has a large real world value. No law references the virtual currencies. But under the general 4 laws of society.
No stealing
No murder.
No terrorism.
No scamming.
How come the government can do all of those ?
Because, you see, when they do it, they call these actions by different names, and write themselves permission to do these things in Holy Papers. That totally makes it "okay" when they murder, pillage, extort, terrorize, kidnap and brutalize people.
It's illegal. Scamming and stealing and hacking are all illegal. And if courts are stupid we explain the bitcoin.
They realise it has a large real world value. No law references the virtual currencies. But under the general 4 laws of society.
No stealing
No murder.
No terrorism.
No scamming.
They realise it has a large real world value. No law references the virtual currencies. But under the general 4 laws of society.
No stealing
No murder.
No terrorism.
No scamming.
How come the government can do all of those ?
The problem is that "common sense" is different for different people.. I think there are not many judges that give a s**** about bitcoins.. 
They may not give a s*** about your baseball card collection either, but that doesn't mean it's valueless if someone steals it. 
The problem is that "common sense" is different for different people.. I think there are not many judges that give a s**** about bitcoins..
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