Is the new ERA of merit dying again?

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 12, 2018, 03:14:00 PM

@LoyceV Do you have any update data for all ranked up users after the 17-09-2018?

Not exactly: I can get you a list of all users who received their first Merit after this date. See List of demoted Jr. Members who were ranked up again
All Jr. Members on that list ranked up for the first time after the new Merit requirements were implemented for them, the others on the list are mostly "collateral".

tranthidung

legendary

Activity: 2310

Merit: 4085

Farewell o_e_l_e_o

Where did you get it?
Can you give me full dataset of the merit system, started in January this year, please.
I need supplementary data for weeks before the 5th or March.
Thanks for all your potential help in advance.

Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 10, 2018, 04:54:30 PM

On the 1st week, we had the all-time high, with a spike of 9587 merits! The cause of this is Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements when a lot of Jr. Members with no earned merit were de-ranked to newbie status and to rank up again they needed 1 merit.

Nice observation!

Quote from: tranthidung on November 11, 2018, 10:37:07 PM

In a nutshell, weeks that have total distributed merits above 6.2k or below 2.5k should be taken into consideration because they are highly potential outliers. It is probably that the sorts of outlier-weeks occur due to significant changes in the forum rules/ systems, etc.
Of course, the exact value of outlier thresholds, both above and below, will change over time, but it will be somewhere around those points (2.5k and 6.2k).

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Quote from: tranthidung on November 11, 2018, 10:37:07 PM

Weekly update on merit distributions since the 5th of March.

Medians should be used as a gold standard figure to measure the level of weekly change. I meant we should observe the change around the medians, which also called as true means.

Quote from: tranthidung on November 12, 2018, 04:41:40 AM

In my opinion, the median, which fluctuated around 4.4k, should be use as a gold figure to measure changes of weekly distributed merits. Medians are recognised as nearly true means, more closely to true means, and should be used to have more exact overview.

coinlocket$

legendary

Activity: 2534

Merit: 1517

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@LoyceV Do you have any update data for all ranked up users after the 17-09-2018?

Gloverwrt

member

Activity: 126

Merit: 11

Quote from: krishnaverma on November 11, 2018, 10:40:18 AM

The merit system is still quite new and thus there are abuses or misunderstandings.

As the merit system gets older, people will get used to it and there will be less fluctuations.

Theymos introduced the Merit & new rank requirements on the 24th of January, that is almost eleven months to today.
I would say people have gotten really aquainted to the system and how, where, when, why and to whom to give out merits.

If there is still any inconsistencies then it is not for lack of familiarity to the merit system.

krishnaverma

full member

Activity: 1442

Merit: 108

Quote from: xtraelv on November 10, 2018, 06:52:36 PM

People need to think less about it and just send merits when they think a post deserves it.

There is the risk to overthink it and that causes a chill effect.

There is a huge amount of airdropped unused merit still out there.

That will happen automatically when we have more members here getting used to merit system on the forum. The merit system is still quite new and thus there are abuses or misunderstandings.

As the merit system gets older, people will get used to it and there will be less fluctuations.

DdmrDdmr

legendary

Activity: 2338

Merit: 10802

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 10, 2018, 04:54:30 PM

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My main concern would be the decreasing total amount of weekly circulating sMerit, and the number of people that receive them. The numbers seem to have shrunk back rapidly to figures similar to the pre-change of rules and additional merit sources. There is a difficult equilibrium to maintain here between post quality, the number of people who can rank-up, and the number of people active on the forum on the whole.

Regarding awarding merits to Legendries, I see no issue with it. Merit is a magnitude to express recognition for post quality/interest, and therefore it should only be natural that one should not place a barrier to favour/disfavour by rank alone, but rather by the post’s content. One may apply a different criteria to some extent though according to rank (i.e. be less demanding on Newbies/Jr. Members).
Arguably, Legendries do not require merit to rank-up, but since it is also (mainly) a means to recognize their contribution through their posts, then no one should be restricted from that.

Note: As we’ve talked about privately, the data on the Dashboard concerning number of ranked-up members is not wrong. The date filter on the Ranked_up Tab applies to the account creation date, not the actual date that the account ranked-up upon (the latter would require to backtrack TX by TX to find the associated dates of ranking-up, and I have not endeavoured that task on the Dashboard or elsewhere).

Marshall14

member

Activity: 112

Merit: 20

Merits should be handed out to anyone who has something worthwhile to add to a discussion,or has the capability to come up with a worthwhile new topic/thread..and if the higher percentage of users who do this are legendary members,then it's fine handing out all the merits to them

JetAid

member

Activity: 122

Merit: 20

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You guys need to stop awarding merits to help members to increase their ranking. The merit system was introduced to improve the quality of posting, and the ranking restrictions were introduced to reduce the activities of the spambies. It is important to used merit awarding to encourage good posting for the benefit of the Bitcoin Talk community. This means that Legendaries need feedback just as much as newbies. When you look at the quality of posting by a few legendaries, you can see why it is important to encourage good posting habits. Even after all the negative comments about quote pyramids, you can still see some legendaries using them. You would think that they could control themselves to serve as good examples for the newer members.

coinlocket$

legendary

Activity: 2534

Merit: 1517

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 11, 2018, 01:22:56 AM

It’s not about what you think, it’s about what theymos thinks, and that will depend on what the community says and what is happening:

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 01, 2018, 08:51:04 AM

As I have said before I think there should be a new rank as Legendary is becoming far too common now,

Was to common Cheesy

, Legendary accounts are decreasing, we have more permaban than ranks up from hero rank

Don Pedro Dinero

legendary

Activity: 1358

Merit: 1565

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Quote from: Infinixhot1996 on November 11, 2018, 01:07:26 AM

I honestly doubt the fact that an extra rank could be added to the forum..
Legendary rank to me should be the final rank attainable,and it doesn't come at an easy task,so we do not have the usual high numbers getting up to that rank,considering how many merits one has to earn.
I doubt theymos is actually thinking about this,there could be other tweaks,maybe a badge,wreath,crown etc on people's profiles when they reach such amount(2500 merits), but I think they'll still be legendaries(i can't think of any more suitable name than this)

It’s not about what you think, it’s about what theymos thinks, and that will depend on what the community says and what is happening:

Quote from: hilariousetc on March 01, 2018, 08:51:04 AM

As I have said before I think there should be a new rank as Legendary is becoming far too common now,

Quote from: Vod on March 01, 2018, 12:21:07 AM

So tell me, how many members have 2000 merit? Only one - Theymos.
Is he going to introduce a group to make himself the exclusive member and infer that we are not as good as him? Tongue

I would predict that a new group will not be announced until there are several/many members in it. So I wouldn't hold your breath.

Infinixhot1996

jr. member

Activity: 98

Merit: 2

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on November 11, 2018, 12:50:23 AM

it is quite likely that a new rank above Legendary will be implemented in the future, and I suppose the merit requirement for that rank will be very high, like 2500 merits at least.

I honestly doubt the fact that an extra rank could be added to the forum..
Legendary rank to me should be the final rank attainable,and it doesn't come at an easy task,so we do not have the usual high numbers getting up to that rank,considering how many merits one has to earn.
I doubt theymos is actually thinking about this,there could be other tweaks,maybe a badge,wreath,crown etc on people's profiles when they reach such amount(2500 merits), but I think they'll still be legendaries(i can't think of any more suitable name than this)

Don Pedro Dinero

legendary

Activity: 1358

Merit: 1565

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 10, 2018, 04:54:30 PM

I understand that Legendary can probably write more quality threads but I think the overcap merit is almost trashed merit since they don't need it. Don't you think is better to use it on Newbie-Hero Members?

I opened a thread about that some time ago (already locked):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/do-you-think-it-is-fair-to-save-merits-for-high-quality-low-ranked-members-3529898

And I was also recently commenting on the subject on another thread.

To what has been said already on this thread and on those, I’d just like to point out that Legendaries also “need” merit: first because it is for them a way to see their efforts and contributions to the forum recognized, and second because it is quite likely that a new rank above Legendary will be implemented in the future, and I suppose the merit requirement for that rank will be very high, like 2500 merits at least.

S_Therapist

sr. member

Activity: 308

Merit: 280

Quote from: vit05 on November 10, 2018, 10:04:16 PM

No new Hero or legendary in the last two months. Sad

marlboroza has ranked up Legendary last week.
Although only marlboroza has been ranked up since last 2 months, there are some more hero member is close to 1000 merits.

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Don't you think is better to use it on Newbie-Hero Members?

Isn't Merit being introduced for awarding in quality posts, not necessarily only for needy?

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Why members and Junior members tends to rewards the same rank and ignore higher ranks? Can we assume a lot of them as alts?

They can be alt. Or they might not understand the merit system. Some of them are definitely alt, but some of them think merit as only one of the requirements of rank up. Here the difference is and that's why they merit to same rank a.k.a needy.

From the above data,
Member send sMerits 12% to Jr member while Jr member send 40% to member. Almost every rank send the most sMerit to Member because the number of member ranks are the most.

vit05

hero member

Activity: 672

Merit: 526

No new Hero or legendary in the last two months. Sad

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Why members and Junior members tends to rewards the same rank and ignore higher ranks? Can we assume a lot of them as alts?

Probably. But it must also be retribution.

r1s2g3

sr. member

Activity: 742

Merit: 395

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Merit not only kept shit poster on the bay but it also kept large number of average Joe also in bay without any fault of theirs.
It is really worrying trend that even source merits are not getting used fully.

No idea, what steps Theymos is doing but I guess current situation is not good for forum.
It is a natural human desire to progress and even if earnest effort did not help then I guess in coming days ratio of shitposter vs average user will going to increase.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 10, 2018, 07:10:00 PM

My source sMerits aren't getting replenished as fast as I figured they'd be, so I've been using up my own supply of sMerits lately.

But still all the source Merits are not getting used completely. Might Theymos need to reshuffle the quota of everybody. Increase the quota of those who are using it fully and decrease of those who are not able to use it fully.

The Sceptical Chymist

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Merit: 6981

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 10, 2018, 07:22:20 PM

Yeah you right you reminded to me this I've just awarded this guy with 3 merits , if you also have to check for plagiarism is a nightmare. But I don't think the problem is on the newbie rank, but on the Member-Hero range.

Any rank can be guilty of plagiarism, but it's extremely frustrating for me to find out that a noob who I was about to give merits to plagiarized the post--and that's because I badly want to merit newbies who write good content like Mister99 did.

If bitcointalk attracted new members who could write intelligent, well-thought out, and interesting posts, it would be like a beacon of hope. That's not happening however, and in fact the exact opposite thing is happening. The forum is attracting people willing to do only the bare minimum to satisfy bounty requirements, and some of them can't even do that; hence, they copy/paste material from the internet.

My suspicion, too, is that when a Hero or Legendary account gets busted for plagiarism, the account has probably been hacked or sold.

coinlocket$

legendary

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Merit: 1517

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on November 10, 2018, 07:10:00 PM

And I was just about to give a Newbie a merit earlier today, and guess what? His post was plagiarized. It was Mister99 in case anyone is interested. So there's always that problem to deal with. It's a lot more work than you'd think to be a conscientious merit source.

Yeah you right you reminded to me this I've just awarded this guy with 3 merits , if you also have to check for plagiarism is a nightmare. But I don't think the problem is on the newbie rank, but on the Member-Hero range.

suchmoon

legendary

Activity: 3654

Merit: 8909

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 10, 2018, 04:54:30 PM

I understand that Legendary can probably write more quality threads but I think the overcap merit is almost trashed merit since they don't need it. Don't you think is better to use it on Newbie-Hero Members?

I'd rather see merits sent to Legendaries (whether it's 24% or 50% or whatever) than stay unsent. Those Legendaries might spread it further.

Keep in mind that (a) merits are not scarce - we might be too lazy to send them but there is no lack of them; and (b) the primary purpose of merits is to award them to good posts and ranking-up is just a bonus. Nobody "needs" merit to participate in the forum.

Also what xtraelv said. Don't overthink it. Apply to become a merit source if you haven't yet.

The Sceptical Chymist

legendary

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Merit: 6981

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 10, 2018, 06:22:32 PM

I meant maybe is better to give less to legendary and more to lower ranks, I also give merits to legendary but maybe is better give a 1 merit instead 2 to legendary (especially if merit sources) and 2 instead 1 to lower ranks.

I sort of try to do that when handing out merits, though usually I give merits out one at a time just out of habit. My source sMerits aren't getting replenished as fast as I figured they'd be, so I've been using up my own supply of sMerits lately.

Quote from: coinlocket$ on November 10, 2018, 04:54:30 PM

Some sources must be afk or have lost the interest on this reward system.

Just speaking for myself, of course, but I haven't lost interest at all. It's just that I haven't been very motivated lately to visit sections like Economics and go through posts there. I also wanted to check out Bitcoin Discussion, too, but since I know that's going to be an exercise in frustration I've been putting it off.

The problem remains as it's always been: there aren't enough posts worthy of merits, especially by lower-ranked members, and it's a pain in the ass to find the good stuff. Good posts are the middle piece of meat in a World Trade Center-sized spam sandwich in most threads in those sections I mentioned.

And I was just about to give a Newbie a merit earlier today, and guess what? His post was plagiarized. It was Mister99 in case anyone is interested. So there's always that problem to deal with. It's a lot more work than you'd think to be a conscientious merit source.

xtraelv

legendary

Activity: 1288

Merit: 1926

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People need to think less about it and just send merits when they think a post deserves it.

There is the risk to overthink it and that causes a chill effect.

There is a huge amount of airdropped unused merit still out there.

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