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Topic: Is the US Moving Away from Capitalism and Free Market? - page 2. (Read 327 times)

legendary
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there's essentially 2 schools of thought on this. the austrians and other austerity supporters think perpetual growth is a fairy tale and that the market should be left to its own devices even if that means a depression wiping out much of the economy.

the keynesians and other demand side economists see a depression as the ultimate evil, much worse than money printing and bailouts.
And which one you prefer? Or you have your own "theory?"

i don't pretend to know what the ideal is. krugman and powell et al would say a depression in many ways is exponentially worse than slow devaluation by inflation. i wouldn't know but the idea is persuasive on some levels.

i suppose a 3rd idea would reinforce the notion that it isn't inflation per se that's the problem, but rather unpredictable and high inflation. i've heard convincing arguments that a 0.5% or 1% perpetual, but unquestionably stable/predictable inflation (like monero's tail emission) is superior to bitcoin's fixed supply dynamic.

i'm not nearly as offended by keynesians as many in the bitcoin realm are. i see the interest rates banks are paying. i'm capable of finding more reasonable places to park my money for better returns.
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there's essentially 2 schools of thought on this. the austrians and other austerity supporters think perpetual growth is a fairy tale and that the market should be left to its own devices even if that means a depression wiping out much of the economy.

the keynesians and other demand side economists see a depression as the ultimate evil, much worse than money printing and bailouts.
And which one you prefer? Or you have your own "theory?"

In the name of democracy and the free market that is always echoed by the US the government should not intervene. Although the market mechanism is not always effective and efficient. because what is needed by consumers and suppliers is not always available, so that sometimes causes excess or lack of inventory in the market. Competition is not always effective, unfair competition such as monopoly will greatly disrupt the market balance. The emergence of community needs that cannot be provided by the market, such as public facilities.
What is more efficient than the market mechanism?

Learning from the great depression, I think the historical evidence of the failure of the free market system, the government does need to intervene in the market with an adjusted level. Government intervention policies in the economy must develop that are adaptive in nature and adjust to market conditions.
How the great depression is the evidence of the failure of the free market system? What happened in the great depression?

I believe there should be an intervention, at least until the market is again open, and people can go about business as usual.
What if the interventions make the situation worse than let the economy free as is, and let the invisible hand regulate the economy?
legendary
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* What do you think? It seems like the US is moving closer to central planning since the government decides to interfere with the free-market.
In a way the United States has never been a perfectly capitalist society and various examples of government intervention in the market is abundant throughout history. The SEC has been in existence for many years now.

* At the time of this pandemic, should the government let the market regulate itself?
The major drivers of a free market would be the forces of demand and supply, this would allow those who show the ability to meet the demand of the public in taste and volume would thrive. This period of pandemic does shift the balance of the scale a bit, non-essential services are closed, SMEs are also hard hit, demand is equally regulated as movement of people is restricted. The lack of money in circulation also affects the market and by extension, the economy.

I believe there should be an intervention, at least until the market is again open, and people can go about business as usual.

* What is the rule of the government in this "new capitalist" system? Should it be called "pure capitalism?"
I think you may have meant to ask the role of the government in the new system. [I think] They would say they are the support for the free market to ensure it doesn't collapse. Technically they regulate the market.
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What I understand little about America is its oligarchy and strong plutocracy maneuvering. There are institutions such as the IMF world bank as a representation of the US government, but the real economic player in the US and in the world is wall stickers. Investors and markets are Wallstreet. Business people, money holders, hedge funds, private equity funds, venture capital, and investment banking are all on Wall Street. If the government issues bonds, Government bonds, the bonds that buy are investors on Wallstreet.


* What do you think? It seems like the US is moving closer to central planning since the government decides to interface with the free-market.
The tariff war is evidence of US interference with the free market, an overly intervening government in the free market has been increasingly seen in the Trump administration since the trade war blew.

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* At the time of this pandemic, should the government let the market regulate itself?
In the name of democracy and the free market that is always echoed by the US the government should not intervene. Although the market mechanism is not always effective and efficient. because what is needed by consumers and suppliers is not always available, so that sometimes causes excess or lack of inventory in the market. Competition is not always effective, unfair competition such as monopoly will greatly disrupt the market balance. The emergence of community needs that cannot be provided by the market, such as public facilities.

Learning from the great depression, I think the historical evidence of the failure of the free market system, the government does need to intervene in the market with an adjusted level. Government intervention policies in the economy must develop that are adaptive in nature and adjust to market conditions.

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* What is the rule of government in this" new capitalist "system? Should it be called" pure capitalism?
The US positions its government as a public service provider, regulator, supervisor, and driver of growth and stability.

The great depression is evidence that Laizes Faire is normatively impossible to implement.
legendary
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* What do you think? It seems like the US is moving closer to central planning since the government decides to interfere with the free-market.

the FED buying corporate debt does put a new face on things. they are now openly choosing economic winners and losers, pumping funds into failing businesses at their choosing when the free market would have let them go bankrupt. unlike treasury stimulus, there is no semblance of accountability or transparency. they are really fucking with the investment landscape.

in all fairness, the USA has never been a free market in the sense of laissez-faire economics. it's a "mixed economy" rife with regulations, subsidies, and welfare entitlements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy#Mix_of_free_markets_and_state_intervention

this takes it to a new level though.

* At the time of this pandemic, should the government let the market regulate itself?

there's essentially 2 schools of thought on this. the austrians and other austerity supporters think perpetual growth is a fairy tale and that the market should be left to its own devices even if that means a depression wiping out much of the economy.

the keynesians and other demand side economists see a depression as the ultimate evil, much worse than money printing and bailouts.
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According to Ray Dalio:
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The economic world order is changing whether we like it or not. You can see it happening as people and companies around the world are losing income and savings, and central banks and governments are providing them money to try to compensate for those losses. And you can see it as the free market is no longer determining the allocation of capital — governments are.

Central governments and central banks are now creating trillions in money and credit and directing it to those they want to receive it.
This will soon be followed by a debate, perhaps even a fight, about where this money should come from and who should have what in the new world. Such controls of spending and the ensuing political conflicts over it have occurred many times in history, especially when severe economic and financial downturns were accompanied by high levels of indebtedness and large wealth gaps. History has taught us that these conflicts take place both within and between countries. How these conflicts are resolved will determine whether the economic pie will grow and be divided well or contract and be divided through fighting.
Chances are that the new system we end up with will be significantly different from the capitalist system that we've gotten used to.

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To make society work better, the new system must both increase the size of the pie and divide it well. Our ability to consume is dependent on our ability to produce, not the amount of money we get in the mail. You can't eat money. Somebody must get paid to produce and deliver what we consume. And we can't raise our living standards by just giving people money — they need to be incentivized to produce, and that must be done cost-effectively through some system that is not administered from the top. Most fundamentally, that system must strive to provide 1) equal opportunity to all those who have the potential to produce (because that is both most fair and most productive) and 2) basic needs to those who are unable to (because that is humane and what is fundamentally needed to have a good community).
Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/15/perspectives/ray-dalio-capitalism/index.html

* What do you think? It seems like the US is moving closer to central planning since the government decides to interfere with the free-market.
* At the time of this pandemic, should the government let the market regulate itself?
* What is the rule of the government in this "new capitalist" system? Should it be called "pure capitalism?"
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