Topic: Is there a movement for change in Iran? - page 2. (Read 558 times)

News emerged today about strange incidents that have taken place in Iran since last November, during a wave of widespread tension in Iran due to what the morality police had done in the case of Mahsa Amini. The incident is represented in the exposure of school students to poisoning in more than one school, and with the recurrence of incidents, the matter became suspicious.

The first incident targeted more than 250 girls in several schools in the Iranian city of Qom on November 30, then cases of poisoning appeared in ten other schools belonging to other Iranian provinces. The Iranian city of Qom is distinguished for being a religious beacon and a symbol of religiosity.
A few days ago, cases of poisoning reappeared in several girls' schools in the Iranian capital, which prompted the government to open an investigation, but it does not seem that it was dealing with the matter seriously enough.
All the accusations were leveled at conservative groups that refuse to let girls study, even if it is in private schools, to prevent mixing with boys. Their way of expressing their ideas may seem strange, but it helps them since the government is tacitly complicit with them and may be encouraging them since educated women who were leading the recent demonstrations and caused the abolition of the morality police in a historical precedent.

The matter appeared to the public after the German Foreign Ministry and the United Nations announced today their deep concern over the silence of the Iranian government in this regard, and demanded transparent investigations into the matter.

3 years after his arrest, Tehran announced the execution of the Iranian-British citizen, Ali Reza Akbari. Akbari, who previously was the Iranian Deputy Defense Minister, was arrested in 2019 and convicted of espionage for Britain, a charge he has always denied. With his assertion that he was subjected to torture and forced to make wrong confessions.

It was shocking and surprising. The news sparked a wide wave of international criticism, represented by condemnations from Western countries, sanctions against Iranian officials, and promises to hold Iran accountable for the execution of Akbari.

It is noteworthy that Iran has arrested dozens of Iranians with dual nationalities or permanent foreign residency holders in recent years on charges of espionage and national security. Some suggest that the death penalty against Reza Akbari was a reaction to the sanctions imposed by Britain on Iran's morality police and prominent security figures, in response to Tehran's crackdown on anti-government protestors.

Wednesday, was the day of the Iranian student, which is an annual anniversary.
Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi moved to a university and delivered a speech in conjunction with the high frequency of protests again since last Monday, which coincided with a wave of general closures in shops and stores as a solidarity step in support of the protests that did not stop even after the issuance of laws suspending the work of the morality police and the promise to review Hijab laws.

Ibrahim Raisi focused in his speech on explaining the governmental measures coinciding with the protests regarding the wave of general closures and the status of the Internet, which he confirmed that it would not be possible to lift the ban because it is an entry point for hostile foreign forces, he said.
The president looks as a support for the Iranian student, as if it was a position adopted by all the authorities, without mention the hundreds of students who are still under arrest due to their participation in the protests.

You are not reacting to the facts I mentioned earlier which is why you didn't quote them. You are just venting out.

That's off topic since the recent riots had nothing to do with Hijab to begin with, specially with rioters in cities like Zahedan and Kurdistan who are the origin of the unrest and at the same time are quite radical when it comes to how women should dress!

That's funny because if you really believed that you would have never followed the Western media for news or worse the Saudi backed terrorist media.

You think BBC is telling you the truth? The same BBC that barely covers how British police over a year ago kidnapped, raped, murdered and finally burned the body of Sarah Everard before dumping it in a pond and at the same time has produced 170000 fake content involving an Iranian woman who died of natural causes because of a prior brain surgery about 60 days ago!

I think this pooya dude is an agent of mullas or a treacherous sympathizer , as you can see from his posts, he is supporting these murderers.

Since im on my phone, dont wanna waste lots of my time quoting several posts, so im just gonna react to them without quotes.

First of all hijab is not compulsory in islam just like believing in God, afterlife etc. What you should know is that, not complying with the commands of God and teachings of islam is actually considered as committing a sin, like lying, stealing, fornicating, drinking blood and alcohol, gluttony, squander, murder, incest, deception, sodomy, greed, pride, tyranny, gossip, wrongful accusation, use something that you forbid others from using it, etc. Therefore if the government wants to punish hijabless women, they should punish anyone committing the sins mentioned above.

That being said, there is absolutely no doubt that iran has many foreign and domestic enemies, but we don't want to live without the rule of islam, that's why most of the people don't support the protests while we all hate our government, supreme leader aka our domestic enemies.

At the same time we don't like the fact that the protesters and our foreign enemies have the same goal.
So we are stuck between two enemies, unfortunately we have to choose between bad and the baddest.

For now western foes proven to be the baddest, so for now we are gonna sit and wait for mullas to change roles with the westerners.

After more than two and a half months of protests, and after hundreds were arrested and dozens were killed, a decision was finally issued abolishing the morality police and promising changes that would include imposing veiling laws that would be announced within a period of 15 days.

The Iranian street has finally succeeded in putting an end to the morality police apparatus, which has been operating since 2006 in a sort of parallel apparatus to the judiciary, as it includes men in green uniforms and women wearing abayas who roam the public squares and monitor the extent to which people adhere to what is called public morals, especially women who do not wear Hijab or wearing it in a manner contrary to the law. It was also a bold step that the authorities agreed to discuss the law imposing the wearing of the hijab, which was approved since 1981, a few years after the victory of the Khomeini revolution.

I do not know if anyone shares my position, but I am very happy for the victory of the Iranian street over the mullahs’ authority and forcing it to fulfill its demands for freedom and emancipation from the ridiculous martial law.

This morning, I saw what was reported in some Iranian newspapers on the issue of popular protests, and they confirmed almost categorically that the scale of the protests had receded and that the authorities had succeeded in containing them relatively, despite the Western mobilization to continue them and continue to disturb the regime.

All newspapers confirm that decisions will be issued soon regarding the ruling policies in the Islamic Republic and amendments to the veil law.

This is the first time, frankly, that I have seen the publications of Iranian newspapers, and my attention was drawn to the margin of freedom that the press enjoys in making bold statements that I thought were completely unacceptable in Iran. "Jomhouri Islami" newspaper described the current calm as a fire under the ashes and that change is an inevitable necessity.

The media can also help to spread the voice of the people but if it's hijacked by the wrong people we could be hearing different stories which might not be the real event that took place so we just have to be very careful.
Iran is a good country and if the international voice heard a out a fake news then this might send a wrong signal and Iran entirely.

Unfortunately, there are many who still do not believe that there are actually protests in the Iranian street, or that the people are rising up against the mullah's rule.
In an important precedent that took place today, the Iranian forces arrested the niece of the Iranian Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, for recording a video clip describing the authorities led by her uncle as a criminal regime that kills children. In the same context, a bank manager was arrested on charges of providing services to a non-veiled woman. One of the rappers, too, had his family expressing concern for her son's life after he was accused by the authorities of being hostile to God and corruption on earth, in light of the messages he expresses in his songs.

It cannot be denied that these disturbances are receiving support and mobilization from Western powers (hostile to Iran), and this can be understood in the context of strategic wars, but it can never be denied that the Iranian street aspires to change.

The good thing about this worldcup is that non Europeans teams are performing well and it's like breaking the EU supremacy in football. EU have created there supremacy by keeping football worldcup in EU and now they are having hard time playing football in Asian environment. Qatar has spent 234 billion usd on this worldcup still BBC is busy doing negative propaganda about the arrangements done. Clearly West control the media houses and can say whatever they want.

I keep telling you about the propaganda United States is spreading against Iran with reliable "western" sources about their Iranophobia project and yet you insist of reading, believing and spreading the same propaganda!

Take the recent World Cup drama. Before they national team went to Qatar they were threatened by US-backed London based terrorist organizations. Yet they went. Then they started threatening them and their families to be murdered if they won any games or sang the national anthem.
This is not a speculation or accusation, if you visit these players' social media you can see all of it posted and still up IN PUBLIC! because apparently terrorism and threat of violence against Iranians are allowed on social media like Instagram (a US based and US controlled social media).
They didn't sing the national anthem and then lost the game against England because they had no focus because of all these threats.

Later a dozen terrorists were arrested by Qatari and Iranian security forces and these players were assured to be safe as the terror cells were neutralized. Next game against Wales not only they were focused, they sang the national anthem and they won the game 2-0.

But of course WashingtonPost is never going to tell you these things. The propaganda machine is only allowed to cover the part about not singing national anthem in first game.

Yesterday, In a special session on the suppression of Iranian protests by the regime of the Islamic Republic of Iran, the United Nations Human Rights Council voted in favor of forming an international fact-finding committee in this regard. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights has called for an independent and impartial investigation into the protests in Iran.
The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights also said that the investigations into the killing of Mahsa Amini did not follow the principles and standards of a fair investigation, in addition to the internet shutdown and the intense repression of the demonstrators.

What happened during the World Cup from the Iranian official team was a clear message to the popular position that no one can deny. Iranian people are very civilized and enjoy a good standard of living compared to other peoples. A people at their level cannot continue to accept the mullahs' regime and the moral police. Perhaps he does not need to change the regime as much as it needs to change the rules that are based on religious jurisprudence.

I believe there is indeed a real movement of people in Iran which is trying to bring a social change in that country, to end what they perceive to be an oppressive regime. 
I am personally not sure of the size of the protest and the movement itself, because I can't trust the media on that matter.

We must not forget Iran is a foe of the United States and many of its allies, which leads to suspect to what extend there is some kind of intervention going on or even biased information being broadcast through TV and internet. Not Certain what the outcome will be, either.

It is possible that they want changes in the country, this is the 21st century and we shouldn't be hearing these kind of news. It is a nationwide annoyance against these mediocre laws that even their soccer players representing them in the world cup refused singing to the anthem, the biggest show of grievances against their country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/21/iran-world-cup-protests-anthem/

Well, in my opinion, though there are many protests in Iran, they aren't good enough to bring changes in the country as they are not well organized and properly formed. Also, the difference in sect and thoughts of the people of Iran is responsible for the same. But yes, the media is highlighting and creating hype.

Today, 800 people were officially charged with fueling the protests. International news indicates that more than 1,500 people have been arrested since the protests began. Can you confirm that no one has been killed by the Iranian police forces since the protests began?
There are violations of human rights almost everywhere, but this cannot explain or justify their occurrence in a particular place. Perhaps if we compare the situation in Iran to other regions, it may be better off, but does this explain the stoning of Soraya or Salman Rushdie, whose blood was sanctified by the Supreme Leader personally? As far as I know, the majority of the Iranian opposition lives in exile and has no hope of returning to Iran.

There is human rights issue everywhere. However, it is far less in Iran. I dare say less than anywhere else in the world. Last year alone US police murdered 4900 prisoners, French police is regularly shooting protesters and blinding a lot of them, UK police recently had a clash with idiots protesting against Iranian police and UK police brutally beat all of them and arrested most! in Saudi Arabia they recently hung 81 people for no reason half of them were children from age of 9 to 14.
How many cases you can find from Iran?!

The biggest problem we have in Iran IMO is too much freedom and political representation. Literary anybody is doing whatever the hell they want and say whatever they want. For example over the past couple of weeks a separatist is literary inciting violence in Zahedan (city in Eastern Iran) and advertises separatism. A crime that has up to 8 years prison anywhere else in the world and in Arab countries specifically in Saudi Arabia the punishment is beheading. In Iran on the other hand, due to freedom of speech nobody arrests that asshole.

Except that the negative things you read on social media is produced by US military in their cold war project with Iran. Here is a study by Stanford university: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:nj914nx9540/unheard-voice-tt.pdf

I can understand the situation you describe to me, since my country witnessed a similar situation during the Arab Spring. But in this way, we deny that there is a human rights issue in Iran and that the people suffer from a decline in the level of freedoms and political representation. If the well-known media cannot be trusted, the testimonies shared on social media platforms, in addition to Iranian cinema, cannot be denied, all of which describe a deteriorating state of the human rights situation in Iran. If a people is suffering from all this pressure, it is natural that they are supported in their protests against external forces with malicious intentions.

As an Iranian living inside Iran let me tell you that this was the biggest CIA operation with a multi billion dollar budget that were in action over the past 3 years at least. This had nothing to do with "wearing a veil" (Iranian wear scarves not veils). This was a viral news about police beating a woman to death which turned out to be a lie. Imagine the George Floyd and Black Lives Matter movement in US but based on a lie since the footage is released from the moment she is arrested, moved to the station and her walking around healthy and untouched and her falling down because of her preexisting medical condition.

The protests weren't only in Southern Iran, they took place in most of Iran but they basically lasted about 2 or 3 days since that was how long it took the authorities to solve the legal and privacy issues and go through the bureaucracy before they can release the video footage I mentioned above and other privacy invading information about the deceased such as her medical history (eg. the prior brain surgery that had created complications, her fathers statements about her preexisting condition, their troubles in acquiring the medicine she needed because of the sanctions that US has enforced that prevents importing said medicine and has significantly increased their prices which is the example of medical terrorism that none of those English outlets are allowed to mention).

Over the past couple of weeks (after the initial days) all we've seen were some scattered destabilization attempts by either young idiots who are brainwashed enough to still not believe the footage that was released (like those who still think earth is flat) with trained foreign operatives and some terrorist cells trying revive a finished unrest by killing innocent people and blaming it on the government. Majority of such actions are neutralized like the woman who was caught carrying 50kg of explosive material trying to plant it in the Grand Bazaar, but sadly a handful of them fall through the cracks like in Shiraz: [Disturbing content ahead:] https://en.irna.ir/news/84924878/Sensitive-Content-Shiraz-terrorist-attack

There is not yet any final official count but the last one I saw was 43 deaths with 30 of them being security forces.

99% of the names they are reporting in foreign media (such as the London based outlets that are considered terrorist organization) are people who are either alive or had died long ago. In fact there is currently a trend in Iranian social media from people who see their own names in said lists like on BBC and post a video about being alive and demanding these outlets stop spreading lies. Or their families who are now forced to talk about how their daughter had died 6 months ago in a car accident or another family who were forced to reveal their daughter committed suicide 2 weeks ago by jumping off a building (the footage of it exists too!).

There are no "Kurdish fighters" in Iran's Kurdistan. There are only terrorist organizations in northern Iraq (not Iran) in a region between Iraq, Iran and Turkey and all 3 countries have been fighting them. These are the groups that are being introduced as "Iranian" and wanting "freedom" which interestingly enough have ties with both United States and ISIS. They have been trying to smuggle a lot of weapons into Iran over the past couple of weeks to create artificial bloodshed which are mostly seized and neutralized by the authorities.

P.S. The 30-page long report released by the intelligence community is actually a pretty good case study of the biggest operation in the biggest and longest cold war that is we've been fighting. https://isna.ir/xdMFyK
The old Stanford University's 57-page article had also found a tiny part of the same thing (the part about brainwashing campaign) that is reflected in the above report too https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:nj914nx9540/unheard-voice-tt.pdf