Topic: Is there a movement for change in Iran? - page 3. (Read 559 times)

It seems that the Iranian government succeeded in eliminating the popular protests after weeks of continuous pressure, in which more than 200 Iranian citizens were killed and hundreds were arrested on various charges.

The Iranian prime minister had directly accused America of fueling and supporting these protests, while some parties called for not entering into any agreement with Iran regarding the future of the Iranian Republic and to continue imposing more sanctions on it.

This strengthened the position of the Kurdish fighters in Iranian Kurdistan, but their cause is different because they want secession and the declaration of autonomy, and the issue of basic freedoms is not a priority for them.

In a step in support of the protests in Iran, the US State Department announced that it had allowed American companies to transmit news of the protests from inside Iran, explaining that it had imposed sanctions on those responsible for suppressing the protesters.

On the other side, France had announced its support for the manifestations in Iran, and also the European Union  called on to stop the repression and release the detainees.

It is noteworthy that the death toll has exceeded 100 people, more than a month after the start of the protests, a quarter of them are school-age children.
The internet has also been cut off since the protests began more than a month ago.

I am not in the "interest" phase of what is happening in the Iranian state. however, the demonstrations in Iran have claimed many victims and the current action is no longer just a regime protest, but demands democracy and human rights.
at least, the news spread in the international media voiced something uniform.

Iran's protests must be a turning point for women, life and freedom. Iranian people have experienced systematic oppression, especially against women.
Through mass protests and social media support, the Iranian people are doing everything they can to reclaim what they want. since the protests began, the movement has been led by women, and the slogan is women, life, freedom.

Religions are our way to lead our life,it's a path and direction that one has to follow in life. But any religion either its Islam or Christianity they teaches us tolerance,patience ,freedom of speech and freedom to live your life, it teaches us to respect each other and respect other's point of view.
This is not Islam that is killing a girl for just not wearing a hijab ,this is brutality.
And this is among one of the teachings of Islam "If you see someone doing something wrong raise your voice against it".
So this movement will have an impact on Iranian people and their thinking process.

A month has passed since the murder of the young Kurdish woman, Mahsa Amini. Protests are still spreading in the country every day, according to videos circulating on social media. And with the rise in protests, the number of detainees rises, and with it the number of deaths as a result of the authorities' use of live bullets. This is according to what is announced by the official Iranian media, while reports by non-governmental organizations indicate that the numbers are much higher than those announced.

For reference, it is women who lead these protests in defiance of the authorities and social norms, and many of them dared to remove the veil in public squares and burn the image of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei.

In theocratic regimes, especially those in which the ruling is derived from an Islamic reference, women are more vulnerable to persecution and more limits are placed on their activities in order to limit their role in society to limit them to their role within the family. On this basis, it is the one who is at the mouth of the cannon with every rebellion, whether it is subjected to violation or led the protest movements.

Today in Afghanistan there are only women who are demonstrating against the Taliban laws that prevent them from entering secondary education institutes. Their demands may be limited and small that do not exceed individual freedoms, but they are able to mobilize public opinion against the regime to make the demands larger.

What the Iranian people are doing right now is commendable.  We have heard so much bad news from the Iranian government over the years and especially recently with politicians chanting, "Death to America."  However, the people are standing up for their rights and making a splash on the global stage.  Particularly the women are showing an unbelievable amount of courage.  I didn't expect that the Iranian people would be setting an example for all of us, but that's exactly what they are doing.  I have hope that they will bring real change to their country and give women a much better quality of life in the future. 

It seems that we all agree on the difficulty of achieving change in Iran, whether at the level of the existing political authority or the norms adopted by the society. This can be confirmed by reference to a recent time when the Iranian people tried to rise up, raising different slogans each time. And every time the policy of repression confronts them and extinguishes their revolution.

The international parties cannot support these moves as long as they decide to isolate Iran internationally because of its nuclear file. As long as this isolation continues, the Iranian people's chances of achieving change remain limited.

That's not what's hypocrisy. Human rights, civil rights are on a whole other scale better in the west, than in a country like Iran. This is not just about hijab, it's about general tyranny.

What is hypocrisy is when we in the west talk about human rights, but go do business deals with dictators. Then human rights become all talk.

The Iranian people have a right to fight for freedom and dignity, and not supporting this would be hypocrisy.

Also this is not something the Iranian people have chosen. This is not a democracy where a majority can choose the direction. Is the legitimacy of a government in your opinion, just whoever have the biggest hammer to beat the population into submission, they should then rule?

Yes, that's right!
My question is, is this what Islam is about, or is it a religion of wickedness and heartless tyranny? It is always important to respect the laws of the land. Iranians have all the rights to make hijab compulsory if French/India can ban it. It is not a rule that should be ignored when it comes to torturing prisoners to death. It doesn't matter how many protesters there are, Iran is impervious to western hypocrisy.

There is no such thing as a right thing when there are two wrongs!

Yes, it's difficult. To actually revolutionize it, the government have to be forced out in one way or another, or be forced to change the system fundamentally. There are several ways this can happen in a revolution.
No doubt it's very difficult, the question is if it's within the realm of the possible or not.

South Korea got it's democracy from the military dictatorship when 5 million people went on the streets. They simply surrendered to the giant sea of people.

In other cases the pressure leads to an inside coup, though the Islamic republic has done a lot to avoid this scenario from happening.

A general nationwide strike could also be something that could put immense pressure on the regime.

Another question though. If revolution doesn't come now, does it come later by pure demographic tendency. The protesters are very young, many teenagers, where as the rulers are old men with the supreme leader being 83 years old. If the younger generations, generally despise the regime then the pressure might simply grow and grow over time.

tbh it will be very difficult for this movement to be able to revolutionize the Iranian government,,, because we know that most of those who sit in the Iranian government are patriarchal and highly uphold male superiority.. especially Iran is a country that highly respects Islam and according to their understanding patriarchy very important in Islam

I actually came here to see if anybody were talking about this.

Let me first say that I have a bias because I have an Iranian wife, and I know a number of Iranians trough her. All of the ones I know wishes for regime change. The group around me is of course not representative of the population as a whole.

I would also say it's extremely hard to make opinion polls inside Iran. If you call phone numbers, they can easily be scared to answer honestly, and if you use internet polls there can be bias in who takes the poll.

However there is a data point that proves massive dissent towards the current regime. In the last general election in 2021 (Let's be clear, this is not an actual democratic election system) there were a movement among people that were fed up with the current regime, and that movement agitated for vote boycott. If you compare to the former turnout numbers plus the increase in blank votes, it's actually 32% of the population who participated in the boycott. On top of that, it is unknown how many actually already didn't vote in the former 2017 election, for  the same reason. which had a turnout of 70%. But it's probably a good share of the last 30%.

This is already a big share of the population, based on the official numbers. This is of course if you even believe that the numbers are accurate and the boycott weren't even larger. It's very embarrassing for the regime and this is a country where the press is highly state controlled, and propaganda driven and you might be prosecuted for political view which the regime deems threatening.

Official numbers show 32% boycott + N% of the ones already not voting (The elected president got 35% of the populations votes). I think the the number is most likely significantly higher but I can't prove it. No matter what it's a massive amount of people who actually very well could decide the outcome of a presidential election if they were actually allowed to vote for any candidate they wanted.

This was how the Arab Spring began in Tunisia and spread to other parts of the Arab world. Although the Arab Spring didn't bring the expected changes in the Arab world there are few positive amendments in government. We cannot guarantee that this protest in Iran would lead to major changes in the government because a large part of the population is still held down by some religious beliefs that counter the purpose of this protest. Most Muslims don't believe that women should enjoy freedom and liberty.

Another impediment is that Iran is highly isolated from the world which would make it very difficult for some Western powers to penetrate the government or protest. The protesters need financial and moral support for them to continue this protest. But we cannot totally write off these courageous and fearless protesters, maybe they might become the catalyst for the change Iran needs.

That is why we normally said, christian RELIGION is the best, you will never and ever hear that Christians kill another christian because one disobeys law of Moses or disobey the dispensation of GRACE (Jesus Christ)  or another Religion fellow because he insulted Christ. But we see these things from the opposition Religion. I don't know why. Because of veil a very brilliant scholar was brutally killed and the so call police is very happy and comfortable that they have done a great thing to be promoted by the authorities. It is very bad. Well I am not from Iran so I can't give the situational report over there but the freedom socialization must be giving to  the citizens. If possible Liberal Democracy should be practiced in the country.

What has happened in Iran is the same thing that happens in my country.And only thing that can make a change in the protest is for the government to implement the request of the protesters. If the government refused to implement the outcry of the protesters then the police will be doing it as an habit.   

This is what I also thought, because this happened with the so-called Arab Spring in 2011. Where the media deliberately exaggerated the popular manifestations demanding the overthrow of the regimes, which later turned out to be among the strategies of the countries benefiting from that political change.

Iran is a dictatorial country, as described by its enemies and as reports issued by it unofficially tell us, but no one can really determine the popular will if we take into account that the society is conservative and fundamentalist.

The conclusion is that it is not possible to determine the popular will based on protests published by the media from countries that are in conflict with Iran.

Personally, I support change in Iran, and I do not hope that the Iranian people will remain under the authority of religious sheikhs, but the current scene does not really reflect the reality of the situation.

In the wake of the new government in America and the international politics that had erupted, everyone is minding their own business. At that time, they became interested in the country, but the economic situation in most of these countries had partially halted international politics and the contributions of world leaders. In support of the Russian war, Iran has provided aid to the Russians. There is a need for Iran and Iranians to work together to restore democracy, and religious sentiment is also contributing to the divergent views on the issue.

I don't think the protests is getting bigger as the international media reports even if most of the social media is banned in Iran still Instagram is working there so if the protests gets bigger and the government is trying to hide from the international still it can be shared in some way so people may find what is the reality.

There is no denial of what they are asking but when the government is strongly oppose it with the name of their religion and its laws then it should be fought to the current evolving world.

Four weeks ago, protests erupted in southern Iran after the death of the student Mahsa Amini who was arrested by the morality police on charges of not wearing the veil and brutally abused her, which led to her death.

Since the outbreak of those protests, and since Iran is a semi-isolated country due to the sanctions imposed on it based on its nuclear file, all the information we receive from official media hostile to the Iranian government or from countries opposed to Iran. I mean, the information is not from a reliable source, especially since international humanitarian organizations have no activity inside Iran.

According to international media, the protests have reach their fourth week with the publication of videos of students chanting slogans against the Shah’s rule and martial law that restrict women’s freedom, while the official media reports that these protests are limited and have subversive purpose and are supported from abroad.

In your opinion, is there really a large-scale protest movement that aims to bring major changes in the country? Or is this only media incitement aimed at inciting international public opinion against Iran?