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legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1000
The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.



How great can the company be if it can't handle a few trolls? Trolls can't stop you from doing your business (if they can and you can't handle it, it's not a great investment). If your company is legit, you would be able to answer the trolls questions, or ignore them and carry out your business, earn money for your investors and move on.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
Benny, you're 2 legit 2 quit Cheesy

Another deletion spree in the "Send me ur monyz nao" thread.  


Lol, like clockwork!  Teh Twins are coverin' their tracks Roll Eyes
A bit too late, but it's the thought that counts, amiright? Cheesy



...But Teh Tiem Machine Nevar 4gits!!  
https://web.archive.org/web/20110828180209/http://20yearbillionaire.com/who-is-the-worlds-richest-man-i-am/

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I dono but maybe I read the news to much, but every company I have ever seen go public has never hide a key player unless something is a foul. This should be interesting if they can produce a Mr. John K Freeman, maybe they will do like tocobell and find all the Ronald McDonalds bwhaha.

Pretty sure if it was Ok'd with the SEC all parties in the IPO would be listed... like directors. So can we see what you sent the SEC?

Mr. Freeman is not only a key player, he is the asset issuer.  What's more, there are many "John K. Freeman[ s]," but the issuer is not "K," but rather "Kenton," limiting us to a much narrower set Smiley



https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6gZtLSqKPzQY05JZm1MSVNFaEk/edit

@RiverBoatBTC:  will post the fraudulent SEC filing in a sec.

Here:
 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1598311/000159831114000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml


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sr. member
Activity: 391
Merit: 250
The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.

legendary
Activity: 1386
Merit: 1000
I am seriously considering opening my arbitrage program to outside money after my next upgrade, but there would be a handful of unique benefits to any investors:
1: investment may take the form of a bond. So, if I lost the money, I would be held legally liable and my personal property could be taken to repay investors. This is a big deal - there is no way to run away from investors in this scenario. Also, investors would have access to my personal and contact info.
2: All funds, both principal and interest, would be returned simultaneously to all investors on regular cycles. This works well with the bond form of investment, and proves that the investment can't be a ponzi scheme because it's not possible to use Peter's money to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul get their money back at the same time. All investors would be required to submit their deposit address when they first join, so I could ensure that everyone gets their money back exactly as scheduled.
3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.
4: I would show some of the security precautions over the program - things like professional off-site hosting, encryption, etc.
5: I attend major Bitcoin events and am more than willing to meet potential investors or partners

I wanted to wait for the crazy money and fraudulent HYIP to go away, because there is no way for an honest program to compete with the ridiculous claims of 100% profits in a month that some of those things promised. Unfortunately, almost all of those programs failed and the thieves are nowhere to be found. I expected scammers to be caught and brought to justice and this would discourage future scams, but this has yet to happen.

Even if you're honest, you're completely wrong.
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1: investment may take the form of a bond. So, if I lost the money, I would be held legally liable and my personal property could be taken to repay investors. This is a big deal - there is no way to run away from investors in this scenario. Also, investors would have access to my personal and contact info.

Held legally liable? In one jurisdiction. With parties outside that jurisdiction trying to seize whatever assets you might have? How did that work out with John Montroll / Ukyo and Danny Brewster? People know exactly who they are and haven't gotten a dime.

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2: All funds, both principal and interest, would be returned simultaneously to all investors on regular cycles. This works well with the bond form of investment, and proves that the investment can't be a ponzi scheme because it's not possible to use Peter's money to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul get their money back at the same time. All investors would be required to submit their deposit address when they first join, so I could ensure that everyone gets their money back exactly as scheduled.

Unless you pay in excess of all invested capital (you pay out more in total than all invested capital), then you can't prove that it's not a Ponzi. Regularly scheduled payments that look like interest / principal payments can just as easily be payouts from existing/new investors unless you can independently verify (on the blockchain) that the remaining funds do still exist.

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3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.

Bonds sounds like fun, but they've turned out terribly for investors. Ukyo loan? Graet loan? TAT's bond is an success in a field of failures, but that's about it. And how much capital on hand do you have to pay interest out of pocket?
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
The American Passenger Pigeon, once a staple food of American Indians, is now extinct.
Consider the chilling parallels between this noble bird's tragic tale and the plight of the Bitcoin Investor.

"At a nesting site in Petoskey, Michigan in 1878, 50,000 birds Bitcoin investors were killed each day for nearly five months. The surviving adults attempted a second nesting at new sites, but were killed by professional hunters before they had a chance to raise any young."[1]
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"Still another way
[of hunting Bitcoin investors] was to simply set a nesting tree on fire, cooking the doves investors or collecting them as they tried to escape."[1]
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"Two farmers from the vicinity of Russelsville, distant more than a hundred miles, had driven upwards of three hundred hogs to be fattened on the pigeons Bitcoin investors which were to be slaughtered. Here and there, the people employed in plucking and salting what had already been procured, were seen sitting in the midst of large piles of these birds amateur financiers. The dung lay several inches deep, covering the whole extent of the roosting-place."[1]


1.  Passenger Pigeon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_Pigeon#Hunting
member
Activity: 116
Merit: 10
Sure there are some decent companies there, AM should be one of them. But whether it worth to invest is totally another question. You never know where the market is heading to. Even for AM, there still someone bought shares for 4 BTC per share and totally screwed up.
newbie
Activity: 22
Merit: 0
I went through couple of posts here and all of them end up with the same conclusion, SCAM after SCAM. Is there any decent crypto related security which is actually worth of investing in?
Is there anything with a decent business plan, a clear statement how to use money collected from investors and a dividend which might provide ROI some time in the future?

Has Bitcoin really become a tool for dishonest people to steal money from the community??? I really hope I am wrong.

I am seriously considering opening my arbitrage program to outside money after my next upgrade, but there would be a handful of unique benefits to any investors:
1: investment may take the form of a bond. So, if I lost the money, I would be held legally liable and my personal property could be taken to repay investors. This is a big deal - there is no way to run away from investors in this scenario. Also, investors would have access to my personal and contact info.
2: All funds, both principal and interest, would be returned simultaneously to all investors on regular cycles. This works well with the bond form of investment, and proves that the investment can't be a ponzi scheme because it's not possible to use Peter's money to pay Paul when both Peter and Paul get their money back at the same time. All investors would be required to submit their deposit address when they first join, so I could ensure that everyone gets their money back exactly as scheduled.
3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.
4: I would show some of the security precautions over the program - things like professional off-site hosting, encryption, etc.
5: I attend major Bitcoin events and am more than willing to meet potential investors or partners

I wanted to wait for the crazy money and fraudulent HYIP to go away, because there is no way for an honest program to compete with the ridiculous claims of 100% profits in a month that some of those things promised. Unfortunately, almost all of those programs failed and the thieves are nowhere to be found. I expected scammers to be caught and brought to justice and this would discourage future scams, but this has yet to happen.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 500
CryptoTalk.Org - Get Paid for every Post!
TRADER, DEBT, MSP, BIF on CryptoStocks (DEBT have recently voted to move to Coinsortium, BIF are voting now)

There is also Coinsortium itself to checkout - BIG and ORB have been generating a steady volume recently;
https://coinsortium.co/security.php?ticker=BIG
https://coinsortium.co/security.php?ticker=ORB
hero member
Activity: 1328
Merit: 563
MintDice.com | TG: t.me/MintDice
These days it definitely seems like no.
sr. member
Activity: 420
Merit: 250
No. There's nothing here worth investing in. 
member
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Merit: 10
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full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
newbie
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No
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
That's why the "bigwigs" on Wall Street are getting involved.  Maybe, soon, you'll be able to buy an ETF that tracks  the price of Bitcoin, or even some Bitcoin related entity.  Until then, be really careful as most of these "deals" on here are not subject to any sort of reporting requirements like a normal company would be.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
@pedrog:  What's the average you paid per share of your AM "holdings"?
legendary
Activity: 2786
Merit: 1031
Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.

That's why now it's a good time to buy some shares, not when they cost 3 bitcoins each...
legendary
Activity: 1330
Merit: 1000
Have a look at www.cryptodron.com



See, that is what I am talking about. A new member with 6 posts advises me to invest into cryptofund which is "a hedge fund created with the sole purpose of multiplying Bitcoins". How, where, when, who runs it, nothing. They just say to send them 10 BTC and they will multiply it. Sure, sending 100 BTC now.

It makes me want to puke when I see the number of scams emerging every day inside BTC ecosystem. It also makes me to think that some kind of regulation is necessary to help send these scammers where they belong.

LEGIT STUFF ONLY HERE, stop insulting my intelligence.

I have heard whispers of a company aiming to do just this.  Filter out the scams and provide legit business opportunities to investors. 

Buying with confidence = Good Investment.  Buying with unknown factors = Gambling. 

I'd just keep my eyes open for something opening up soon.
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.



Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 254
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.

legendary
Activity: 2786
Merit: 1031
How about Litecoin and AsicMiner?

Litecoin? I guess you mean investing into buying LTC. I believe that the only way LTC can survive in the future is to switch to NeoScrypt algorithm, similarly to what Feathercoin is planning to do. If not, large ASIC farm owners are going to continue to dump until they devastate the coin.

AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

There's nothing wrong with ASICs, on the contrary, they are very important to keep the network secure.

Litecoin has the second strongest network and it keeps growing at a fast rate.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

Here you can see LTC/BTC price evolution.

ASICMINER here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-entering-the-future-of-asic-mining-by-inventing-it-99497
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