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September 03, 2014, 01:15:25 AM
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Has anything new emerged recently? Any other attractive investment opportunity?
legendary
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It's tough to find a good alt coin to invest in.  The best advice I can give is:

1) Invest in a coin you like.  I.E , one with solid fundamentals, one that offers something new, etc.  The truly good coins are not likely to become worthless.  
2) Buy in at the bottom, not the top.  I.E you don't say 'hey look wow, GlendallCoin has gone up 300% in the last two weeks, I should get on this train!' . Try to find the bottom or invest in a coin at launch.

There is no way to avoid risk. And right now, pretty much every alt available is been on slide.

Personally I'm just holding hobonickels in alts, because they are at their bottom (IMHO() and are the best PoS coin (the wallet is tops) that generate good interest rates. Research coins, find something you genuinely believe is a good coin, and support it. 

Oh and I should add

3) If your alt has doubled in value, sell some (I'd say half). Or: If things look like they are dumping, get on board.

 I messed this one up a few times, like when I bought a lot of NVC at $5 and should have sold it when it hit $20 but instead waited until it was back down to like $8 before I got out.

I think overall alt coin market is in the shits right now, but this precisely the best time to buy also.  You'll never make money if you only buy alts when the market is doing well (as obvious as that sounds not everyone seems to get this),
legendary
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Please, stay on the topic. Labrat mining seemed Ok to me, considered buying, however, recently clients complain. Any experience there, what is the average ROI?

It's a mining bond, so it's inherently stupid. Why would the owner give you a share of a miner for less than they can make by keeping it themselves.

There is one way mining farms/shares makes sense, but even then it's silly. If you pay .8 bitcoins for a miner that will generate 1 bitcoin, maybe sell/lease/rent it out for some number between .8 and 1 to get the coins up front, but even in those rare cases, one missed/late delivery (which is almost guaranteed) guess who's going to get screwed? Not the guy who collected money up front.
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Please, stay on the topic. Labrat mining seemed Ok to me, considered buying, however, recently clients complain. Any experience there, what is the average ROI?
newbie
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there was a porn guy starting up a business, he looked quite good...

I'm not that guy, but have posted a similar query today.  (See my other post.)  Could be interesting for the right person.
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
yes you have proven you are right about some of the things some of the time lambchop, but not all of the things all of the time. When talking about AM, you need to factor in AM as a whole, and not just selectively discuss "AM's history on havelock" and expect to get away with implying that to mean AM's entire history.
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.



Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.


lambchops also forgets (remembers to forget) to post that the asset started it's wavey line 3 times lower than where it is now. So, we would have a big bulge, like a mountai. A mountain of profit that was made by some lucky ones while others just enjoyed part of the ride up the mountain. They are set to start mining again soon(ish), and may be in a position to claim upto 15-20% of the network.

NotLambchop forgets nothing.  The chart ("wavey [sic] line," to use your term) is the entire history of AsicMiner on Havelock.  AsicMiner differs from the rest of Havelock offerings only in the extent of the losses to the "investors."  To this day, each and every "security" currently offered by Havelock has lost money to its "investors."  For a detailed breakdown of failure, see Havelock Securities At A Glance: The SRS BZNZ Edition.

  ~Happy Investing!
sr. member
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
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AsicMiner, have had no experience with them. Is there anyone here who can share experience about AsicMiner?

Sure.



Ha Cheesy Awesome. Yeah, that really does sum up the performance and thus experience a lot of people had with that stock over the last year. But everyone keep in mind, that it may go up again, since friedcat (the boss) is going to announce news in 2 days. He will also start the self-mining again and intends to shake the mining world.


lambchops also forgets (remembers to forget) to post that the asset started it's wavey line 3 times lower than where it is now. So, we would have a big bulge, like a mountai. A mountain of profit that was made by some lucky ones while others just enjoyed part of the ride up the mountain. They are set to start mining again soon(ish), and may be in a position to claim upto 15-20% of the network.
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
there was a porn guy starting up a business, he looked quite good...
legendary
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With the closing of just-dice everything else just seems weak. Nearly everything that I even start to read loses me with their inability to type decent english.

www.dicebitco.in


Anything else?

I like Huntercoin. 

Super low market cap and blah blah blah

What, simple mining?

Human mining Smiley

In world wallet that you have to control a general to capture coins much like capture the flag. Network secured by dual-algo (SHA-256 & SCRYPT) both of which are merge mined (you can earn Huntercoin while mining BTC or LTC.) It is a fork of NMC
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With the closing of just-dice everything else just seems weak. Nearly everything that I even start to read loses me with their inability to type decent english.
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^That.
legendary
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After thinking about it, it seems like most of these securities fit into the same pattern.

People want x

I should buy x and sell it to people.

You guys should give me the money to buy x (and pay me) then when I sell x to the people we will get rich.

This is an even riskier type of insvestment than a regular startup because there is extra risk.

My advice would be, if you want to invest in a company that's selling bitcoin miners, invest in someone that has product to sell or will make the product close to on their own. If you want to invest in a bitcoin exchange, invest in someone that knows how to code and has the basics down. Try to minimize the middle men because the more steps involved in the process, the more places where things can go wrong and you can end up losing your money.
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Anything else?

I like Huntercoin.  

Super low market cap and blah blah blah

What, simple mining?
legendary
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Owner at AltQuick.com
Anything else?

I like Huntercoin.  

Super low market cap and blah blah blah
legendary
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Anything else?
legendary
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The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.



How great can the company be if it can't handle a few trolls? Trolls can't stop you from doing your business (if they can and you can't handle it, it's not a great investment). If your company is legit, you would be able to answer the trolls questions, or ignore them and carry out your business, earn money for your investors and move on.

The problem is that some trolls simply don't want answers. You'll never find NotLambChop trolling an MPEx thread. Why? Why do we find the vast majority of his posts targeted at Havelock-based companies, and not Cryptostocks, or others?

And you're correct that you can do business in spite of the trolls. But it doesn't help your company out when people throw out wild, baseless accusations. We've been a company for over a year, sold tons of products, and have never had a single instance of a troll attacking our business... Until we post on BitcoinTalk. Strange, eh?

It's not strange at all. Notlambchop didn't start attacking you until you started posting somewhere that he would read, not strange. As to the other exchanges, that may be true, but doesn't really matter. "the bully isn't picking on that guy" doesn't solve your problem, and doesn't really change anything.

If he doesn't have a point, he will have no impact on you, if he does have a point, him attacking an Mpex thread will have no impact on you. Wild baseless accusations can't help, but they can't really hurt either if they are baseless. how do posts on this forum stop you from buying miners? how do they stop you from selling miners? they may make it a little harder to sell them on this forum, but doing what you say you are going to do will do a lot more good for your company than the harm that can come from wild baseless accusations.
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Unless you pay in excess of all invested capital (you pay out more in total than all invested capital), then you can't prove that it's not a Ponzi. Regularly scheduled payments that look like interest / principal payments can just as easily be payouts from existing/new investors unless you can independently verify (on the blockchain) that the remaining funds do still exist.

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3: Because it's a bond, investors would have a promised return amount, and they would get the amount whether my program is profitable or not. If I don't make profit, then I would pay the interest out of pocket.

Bonds sounds like fun, but they've turned out terribly for investors. Ukyo loan? Graet loan? TAT's bond is an success in a field of failures, but that's about it. And how much capital on hand do you have to pay interest out of pocket?

Thanks for the critiques, it provides a lot to think about. Out of pocket, I could pay several thousand dollars worth of interest if my system didnt make any profit. I could do a proof of reserves pretty easily.

To clarify, the bond payouts would be in excess of all investor's capital. If I did 1-month bonds of $100 with 10% interest over that period (denominated in USD), all investors would receive $110 back, and they would all receive it simultaneously - I could set the payout day as the last day of the month for simplicity. Then, on the subsequent day, I could start a new round of investments, and invite the prior investors to invest again and the new bonds would be accepted over a period of a few days. I wouldnt accept any investment outside the posted rounds. I could set up a single address to receive all incoming funds, post the address, and at the end of the month I would send all funds back out through that address. If anyone tried to send money to that address mid-month, I could immediately send it back to the investor and add them to the contacts list so they would be informed of the start of the next round.
This strategy does have a downside that I would need to regularly liquidate and I would not have any of the investment money for 1 or 2 days per month. But, it would be publicly available proof of the amount of funds going in and the amount being sent back out, and anyone could check that each transaction out is 110% of each transaction in (after converting to dollars). I would prefer if each investor can accept the funds back using the same address that they sent from, but that may not be possible for all investors.
I could accept and manage the funds as btc-denominated amounts if the majority of investors really wanted that. Id prefer to do it all as dollars or all as BTC, as this would be simpler for other people to independently verify.
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The problem is that some trolls simply don't want answers. You'll never find NotLambChop trolling an MPEx thread. Why? Why do we find the vast majority of his posts targeted at Havelock-based companies, and not Cryptostocks, or others?...

Because there is no MPEx thread?  

Re: Cryptostocks:

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What you seem to be forgetting is that most scams and all ponzis pay out great at the beginning, that's how they attract savvy investing enthusiasts such as yourself.
In a few months, I'll drop you a condolences gif and offer you a virtual shoulder to sob on.

...followed, in a few months days, by me making good on mah promise:

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The onus is still on you to answer why you still think this is a scam, especially in light of being asked following the good faith moves the project manager(s) made in an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion.
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Noobthegreat!
In light of the project manager(s) running away after making an effort to try and dispel ambiguity and suspicion, here's that condolences gif I promised you.
Already gave one to SamboNZ, so this one's all yours, friend!


Sorry for your loss!

That's integrity and follow-through Cool
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The problem is that even if something is worth investing in, it doesn't matter. The trolls/FUDsters paid by certain parties will tear it down. I'd like to think that my brother and I's companies have done well - we've been around for over a year, paying dividends / working with shareholders. Multiple physical visits, ect. Does that matter? Nope. You'll find a few people that make money off negativity, or have some sort of ulterior motive in place.



How great can the company be if it can't handle a few trolls? Trolls can't stop you from doing your business (if they can and you can't handle it, it's not a great investment). If your company is legit, you would be able to answer the trolls questions, or ignore them and carry out your business, earn money for your investors and move on.

The problem is that some trolls simply don't want answers. You'll never find NotLambChop trolling an MPEx thread. Why? Why do we find the vast majority of his posts targeted at Havelock-based companies, and not Cryptostocks, or others?

And you're correct that you can do business in spite of the trolls. But it doesn't help your company out when people throw out wild, baseless accusations. We've been a company for over a year, sold tons of products, and have never had a single instance of a troll attacking our business... Until we post on BitcoinTalk. Strange, eh?
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