Is there anything unusual in these screenshot? - page 2.

Plaguedeath

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Quote from: _BlackStar on September 16, 2023, 05:14:32 PM

But the important part here is that he has to reveal something instead of just asking someone else to dig deeper about possibility of abused the merit system.

but if the accounts make mistakes such as using the same bitcoin address or something similar, then accusations can be justified.

Actually you should blame the users who mentioned the username, @OP was only show the merit flow.

That's not enough, posting a same Bitcoin address or anything that can be used to account connections can only proofing they're alt accounts and deserve to get neutral feedback. Neutral feedback is fine because the signature campaign only forbid negative feedback.

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Quote from: stompix on September 15, 2023, 11:16:08 PM

Quote from: _BlackStar on September 15, 2023, 02:37:30 PM

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So, why are you so angry at OP?

No - I'm not as angry as what you read, but that's my first expression when someone tries to throw mud about someone else's reputation. The OP is clearly hesitant to reveal the name of the user he suspects because he doesn't want to ruin it. But the important part here is that he has to reveal something instead of just asking someone else to dig deeper about possibility of abused the merit system.

I'm sure there is abuse of the merit system in some local board - but without truly reliable evidence, we can't draw firm conclusions. The main obstacle is language - but if the accounts make mistakes such as using the same bitcoin address or something similar, then accusations can be justified.

SmartGold01

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For this action to be questioned the post need to read to know what is all about but however I think people that knows more than me has already given their thoughts on the post. But sincerely speaking we don't need to look into local boards because you can't fluently speak their languages, even though you tried using translators you may not get the exact topic on point all less a local speaker can get them translated for you and I to know what they are all about, so from my point of view you don't need to question such activities. Between why did you blur the sender and how can people give full meaning to this system.

Usually local board is a board to groom someone to knows about the forum especially they can go into deeper communication without your knowledge all less you can fluently read and write that language before passing any judgement, hence to me I will say stay away from others local board and focused on your own locale board I don't mean any hate words but politely speaking.

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Like we all know, there are no particular rules guiding the merit system so users are always at the liberty of meriting who ever they want, and users are also at the liberty of only channeling their posts energy to channels or boards where they feel they earn the most Merits from.

So for those who find it hard to earn Merits from the global boards but easily earn merit from the local board, they have liberty to make most of their posts in the local board where they feel they are appreciated the more..

Take for example, if I must be honest, I would say that the I don't earn as much merits from my local board same way I do from the global boards, and because of this, I most of the times feel compelled to focus more on posting in the global boards than my local board.

The truth is that, any and every forum user who is interested in ranking up will try an find what and where works best for them in terms of earning merits, which is a crucial part and parcel of ranking up.

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Quote from: hugeblack on September 16, 2023, 04:20:34 AM

Quote from: DVlog on September 16, 2023, 03:28:38 AM

These two boards don't have their own local boards yet, so is it possible to put them in charge of the moderation of those two specific boards to moderate this type of unusual behavior? Is that even possible? I am not sure!

The only possible and effective solution is for signature campaign managers to add an ignore list. Anyone on that list will be banned from participating in signature campaigns. It is updated weekly and members are reviewed once a year (if their behavior changes).

Also, campaign managers should review the overall post quality of the member if they are accepting in their campaign, not simply based on how much merits they earned in the last 120 days or so which will bring an end to this account farming via local boards where merits are generously shared.

The SMAS list you shared is old compared to this : [SMAS] My list of users banned from sig. campaigns

But you can find the compiled individual SMAS list from every campaign manager from Overview of Bitcointalk Signature Anti-Spam Campaign Managers

Dr.Bitcoin_Strange

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Well, since you did not mention their name, it would be difficult to dig into those profiles, and without going through the profiles, it would be difficult to come up with any conclusion to know if those merited posts were really worth it. Like LM has said, "ranking up is not a crime." As I looked through the picture, I also saw that some of those merits were sent on different dates, so it's not really much of a problem. Read what Timelord2067 said: "It has been happening at the top." I didn't even know that anything had been happening at the top, and if it was so, it's not also a surprise that it will happen at the bottom, like he said.

hugeblack

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Quote from: DVlog on September 16, 2023, 03:28:38 AM

These two boards don't have their own local boards yet, so is it possible to put them in charge of the moderation of those two specific boards to moderate this type of unusual behavior? Is that even possible? I am not sure!

The only possible and effective solution is for signature campaign managers to add an ignore list. Anyone on that list will be banned from participating in signature campaigns. It is updated weekly and members are reviewed once a year (if their behavior changes).

This is one of the oldest ignore lists^[1], and I think @Lauda @Lutpin @yahoo all had similar lists and it was one of the conditions for joining signature campaigns.

You can ask current campaign managers or create a discussion thread about it.

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/my-personal-ignore-list-973843

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Quote from: stompix on September 15, 2023, 11:16:08 PM

From the start I'm not accusing the two as I didn't even bother to check what they post as I'm getting really bored about this, it' 's so obvious local boards are full of account farmers, they farm the merit step-by-step there then start polluting the BD and BH with merit fishing posts, make the 100 merit threshold and then instantly signature applications only for some of them to inevitably ending up in the wall of shame thread also.

Considering the fact that in some countries average salary is equal to the most basic Full Member rate, I am only surprised that we don't have more of that.

Quote from: stompix on September 15, 2023, 11:16:08 PM

We just have to come back to tagging shitposter and spammers and that would eliminate the need for all the detective work

Would signature campaign managers take into account neutral tags saying that xyz is a shitposter (and we know that there are more spots in campaigns that there are solid posters meaning managers have to lower the bar in order to fill it) since negative for that is imho an overkill.

Quote from: DVlog on September 16, 2023, 03:28:38 AM

Both of those boards have well-recognized members on the global board. Irfan_pak10 from Pakistan LB and Little Mouse from Bangladesh LB are well known for their contributions. These two boards don't have their own local boards yet, so is it possible to put them in charge of the moderation of those two specific boards to moderate this type of unusual behavior? Is that even possible? I am not sure!

How exactly would they moderate how members spend their merit?

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Quote from: hugeblack on September 16, 2023, 02:20:37 AM

For a long time, I have strongly believed that there are many alt accounts in local boards, especially in the Pakistani or Bangladeshi LBs, but since every accused is innocent until proven guilty, we cannot take suspicions and build facts on them.
If any of you find any evidence or connection between any member in my Merit thread, PM me so I can put them on the ignore list.

LBs deserves the best, but it is better for them to know that developing an account until it reaches 5k is much better than creating an army of alternative accounts and will give them best payment rate with lowest effort (you need about 4 full member accounts aka 160 posts/week to make the same amount of high merit account 40 posts/week.)

Both of those boards have well-recognized members on the global board. Irfan_pak10 from Pakistan LB and Little Mouse from Bangladesh LB are well known for their contributions. These two boards don't have their own local boards yet, so is it possible to put them in charge of the moderation of those two specific boards to moderate this type of unusual behavior? Is that even possible? I am not sure!

hugeblack

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For a long time, I have strongly believed that there are many alt accounts in local boards, especially in the Pakistani or Bangladeshi LBs, but since every accused is innocent until proven guilty, we cannot take suspicions and build facts on them.
If any of you find any evidence or connection between any member in my Merit thread, PM me so I can put them on the ignore list.

LBs deserves the best, but it is better for them to know that developing an account until it reaches 5k is much better than creating an army of alternative accounts and will give them best payment rate with lowest effort (you need about 4 full member accounts aka 160 posts/week to make the same amount of high merit account 40 posts/week.)

Quote from: Findingnemo on September 15, 2023, 01:44:32 PM

The other person is 2Pizza410000BTC. It took a few pages of browsing and matching the merit history from the screenshot shared by OP.

The name of this account has become frequently mentioned, and I have talked about it before. Whatever you doing, please stop it.

Quote from: hugeblack on July 13, 2023, 06:23:42 AM

The account that gave him a merit (2Pizza410000BTC) is active in this local board (বাংলাদেশ (Bengali)), and all merits earned are from Wall Observer BTC/USD plus copy/paste method.

This account tried to post in different local baord Nigeria (Naija) but his post was in English.
It reminded me of an account that was recently banned (Unfortunately, was active in the pizza challenge)
I'm going to put him on my watch list, and maybe he'll start using an AI tool as the banned account did Grin.

lovesmayfamilis

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I'm inclined to think that in these two local sections, there may be users who are a common team of friends and regularly use their earned merits, like Twitter likes. Guesses about several farms from these locales have already been repeatedly voiced, and most likely it is so that some group owns several profiles, but they are quite cunning and temporarily elusive. On the other hand, the rules do not prohibit the exchange of merit in local sections, but you need to understand that even if someone manages to raise their accounts to the required heights, further steps will be an assessment of the quality of posts. Managers will be the judges of the acceptance of such writers who regularly publish their posts only in their native language.

mindrust

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Looks like merit abusing to me. You can put these guys and anybody trusts them in your distrust list and I don’t think there is anything else you can do about it. Merit system was a good idea which got old very quickly. Maybe the mods will do something about it but I doubt it too. Similar stuff happened in the past and I don’t remember anybody getting a ban for it. On the other hand it is possible that a person only uses the local forums because he doesn’t know English. Then you can’t do anything about it again. If this bothers the admin, he may ban giving/receiving merits in the local boards…

There are some people who use only the local boards indeed. Do you think these people shouldn’t be getting any merits?

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Quote from: _BlackStar on September 15, 2023, 02:37:30 PM

I think the OP seems to be questioning possible abuse of the merit system at one of the local board - but I don't think the OP has much guts to reveal who he suspects other than trying to throw mud at the reputation board.

Why, is the suspect Chuck Norris? Grin

If the OP didn't have guts he would have used a throwaway account to do so, what he did is pretty normal he censored the name to show only the important thing, everyone could if they wanted find out as it has who the guys are, what was meant here was to simply analyze the merit distribution.
So, why are you so angry at OP?

Quote from: Rikafip on September 15, 2023, 10:50:08 AM

Its nothing that we haven't seen before, that members of local boards sometimes tend to have a lower standards or are more generous when it comes to merit. Another thing is that its easier to express yourself in your own native language, so members of some boards that are not so fluent in English struggle to earn merit in general part of the forum, compared to their own local board. Then again, I also woulnd't exclude the possibility of good old merit abuse but that's something that is much harder to prove.

From the start I'm not accusing the two as I didn't even bother to check what they post as I'm getting really bored about this, it' 's so obvious local boards are full of account farmers, they farm the merit step-by-step there then start polluting the BD and BH with merit fishing posts, make the 100 merit threshold and then instantly signature applications only for some of them to inevitably ending up in the wall of shame thread also.

And even if we prove it, merit abuse is not tag-worthy anymore, having 1000 accounts is neither as long as they don't enter the same campaign it's just a useless investigation uncovering a dozen accounts while a hundred more are in the making. We just have to come back to tagging shitposter and spammers and that would eliminate the need for all the detective work.

nutildah

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I'm of the opinion that there are at least a couple of account farmers from both of the local boards that do send merit to themselves, but without substantiating proof there's really not much else to say.

If I spoke either of those languages I would look for similarities in posting styles. One day they will slip up and I will catch them.

However, without more sufficient evidence, its not nice to simply assume they are alts (in public anyway).

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Quote from: DVlog on September 15, 2023, 10:17:47 AM

Can you see anything unusual in these two screenshot? From the past few month i am seeing some unusual activity in some of the local board. I do not want to mention their name but some members are ranking up with unusual pace and they are getting merits in their every post in local board when they can not get few merits from the global board. How they are doing exceptionally well only in local board? What do you think what is wrong with them?

I don't know whose account it is, but if I look at my local board, there are members who really have good contributions and thoughts on the local board, they have good discussions. Some members may also be hampered by language, like me who is not proficient in English. Even though there is a possibility that this is an act of merit abuse, I am not sure there are still members who dare to commit merit abuse because it is easy to find out.

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You should also look at their Default Trust of each other and and trust feed-backs they may have left. Digging deeper, the tried and true methodology of the user creation date and even if they post one after the other (usually in sequence) are key indicators of insider meriting. It happens at the top, so it's not surprising it happens at the bottom also.

Sim_card

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OP, I can sense what you mean but no one will be able to question anyone on who they send their merits to. That is a local board that will be hard for anyone to know if the posts are worth the merits. Another thing you should know is that those two local boards have enough merit source that his encouraging them to post in their local board. Until there are good evidence that they are merits farmers that is when the forum can look into this issue. Another thing is that maybe those members whom you screen shot their profile might be poor in English but can contribute in their local boards with ease. Nobody can tell if it is a bunch of merit farmers or not, only with good prove.

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The forum does not have a big case about merit distribution, keeping of Smerits when there are a lot of quality posts to merit is not even ideal to the forum. One of the simplest board to distribute merit to quality posts should be the local board, since understanding of your dialects is easier than in the general board. This will also enhance merit circulation is such local boards. If there’s no a case of selling merits, then distribution of merits to quality posts in the local board is fine.

Quote from: JeromeTash on September 15, 2023, 04:37:06 PM

Perhaps another reason for the recent merits he got could have been due to this post he made. Let me quote the translated version

Quote from: 2Pizza410000BTC on September 06, 2023, 09:39:21 AM

Assalamu Alaikum my humble request to the respected members of bangla community I am not able to get full member membership for only 8 merits. Please if you help me with the said merit then I can get full member membership.

Go to my profile and review my post if you like it, then you can give merit to that post.

Thank you all

This is also enough evidence to show that the user was merited by those members after a review of his post history by their local board members .

JeromeTash

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Hard to tell if the behavior is suspicious or not, especially for the second user, since some posts are in his native language. A few posts in English that he made and were merited didn't seem bad, like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62761915

Perhaps another reason for the recent merits he got could have been due to this post he made. Let me quote the translated version

Quote from: 2Pizza410000BTC on September 06, 2023, 09:39:21 AM

Assalamu Alaikum my humble request to the respected members of bangla community I am not able to get full member membership for only 8 merits. Please if you help me with the said merit then I can get full member membership.

Go to my profile and review my post if you like it, then you can give merit to that post.

Thank you all

The Cryptovator

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Regarding merits, the forum is strict about selling merit through merit sources. Otherwise, the forum or theymos isn't too strict about merits. I'm pretty sure the screenshots you posted have an unusual merit history. Since it's a local board, we can't decide whether they deserve it or not. However, someone may think the posts deserve merit, and they might send them. If you find something suspicious, like selling or exchanging merits, then provide evidence. We may take a look at that. Otherwise, it's not a big crime. It does increase merit circulation.

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