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legendary
Activity: 3948
Merit: 3191
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March 23, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
#26
I have also noticed in order to earn merit without posting in those merit giveaway thread or farming from alt account the only way possible is by posting in meta as that's literally the only place where someone can receive merit , there is barely anyone who receives merits for his reply to a discussion which isn't in the meta section

I don't personally spend a great deal of time here in Me(ri)ta.  The Press board usually has a significant chunk of my attention as it's largely on-topic discussion and spam mega-threads are almost unheard of there.  Despite not being a coder, I contribute what I can to the Development & Technical boards, because again, there's generally a lower proportion of shitposts to sift through.  And on the rare occasion when there's a half-decent thread in the main Bitcoin Discussion board, I'll do my best to make it better.  Of the 60 merits I've been awarded, only 4 have come from this subforum.  That's less than 7% of my total coming from Meta.  If there is a problem with an over-abundance of merit flowing to Meta, I don't see it as a problem with ChipMixer's campaign in particular.  Seems to be more of a general issue.

Everyone has certain areas of the board that appeal to them the most, so I'd say just let them get on with it unless there's any clear abuse going on (and there's no sign that's the case here).  Plus, I'm sure we'd have threads making the opposite complaint about not enough merit being awarded in Meta if some of the people you're talking about started using it less and spent their time in other subforums instead.

Tangentially related, I am making a conscious effort to no longer award merit in threads where the subject is about merit, unless someone says something truly profound and unique.  It's frankly getting ridiculous now.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
March 22, 2018, 01:29:31 PM
#25
Who's or whose?  Grin

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Edit: I wonder who's alt you are...

Lol forgive me. It was 5:30 in the morning after an all-nighter staring at the computer screen.



So you have earned most of your merits from marketplace and trading discussion.
A quick look at BTCforJoe's Merit history shows that he's earned a lot from Joe's Signatureless Challenge. But you knew that already, as you've posted in that thread.
The Services board is part of the Marketplace board, that's the reason.

@digaran’s posts are never clear; I’m wondering what his implications are in stating that most of my merits were earned in the marketplace and trading sections. I obviously posted the stats based on board categories instead of individual subcategories. But if anyone questions my merit score sources, I can easily break it down further. I don’t see why it would be necessary, though, given that my data has proven OP’s theory and claim to be incorrect.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
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March 22, 2018, 12:55:07 PM
#24
So you have earned most of your merits from marketplace and trading discussion.
A quick look at BTCforJoe's Merit history shows that he's earned a lot from Joe's Signatureless Challenge. But you knew that already, as you've posted in that thread.
The Services board is part of the Marketplace board, that's the reason.
copper member
Activity: 1050
Merit: 294
March 22, 2018, 12:07:20 PM
#23
That's true, after the implementation of merit system many posts were rewarded with merits on merit discussion topics.
This is why mostly members on this forum (i am not pointing Chipmixer participants) tried to participate in meta discussions to get merits.

I am not saying that they should not expect merits on their posts in merit section, they should if their post quality is good enough but the exchange of merits(which is not proven yet) is not appreciable at all.
hero member
Activity: 1092
Merit: 582
March 22, 2018, 11:33:06 AM
#22
On the basis of your post, I can draw a single conclusion that "Although there are 80 merit sources present, the real source of merit is itself meta thread.  Cheesy "

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There are 80 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 17800 sMerit per 30 days
copper member
Activity: 1330
Merit: 899
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March 22, 2018, 11:08:02 AM
#21
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 1036
March 22, 2018, 06:54:42 AM
#20
Who's or whose?  Grin

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Edit: I wonder who's alt you are...
hero member
Activity: 2576
Merit: 883
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March 22, 2018, 06:46:03 AM
#19
Hola. Another ChipMixerite here.

Since you seem to be targeting ChipMixer, why don't you showcase all of the participants' merit data, instead of simply claiming that

...the merits most people in chipmixer campaign have received is either exchanged between them or they have received from posting in meta

I'm fairly certain that you don't understand the definition of the word "most"



I was wondering about that as well. It turns out that 'most' means 20 out of 97 awarded to other ChipMixer participants in my case.  Huh

I was surprised it was that low as a number of participants in the campaign share similar interests to me and are also very knowledgeable. They generally have something worthwhile to say in the threads that I want to read.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
March 22, 2018, 06:35:26 AM
#17
Hola. Another ChipMixerite here.

Since you seem to be targeting ChipMixer, why don't you showcase all of the participants' merit data, instead of simply claiming that

...the merits most people in chipmixer campaign have received is either exchanged between them or they have received from posting in meta

I'm fairly certain that you don't understand the definition of the word "most"





I would personally go through ChipMixer's individual member merit data, but I'm not the one who has a bone to pick with ChipMixer. But I'll make it easy for you and give you my merit data, as of now (March 22):

Received Merit Stats (breakdown by board):

BOARDMERITS
Marketplace
102
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 3061
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March 22, 2018, 04:26:20 AM
#16
People often make well thought out posts in Meta because they're usually making posts on how to benefit or improve the forum so they probably tend to get more merit as opposed to threads in Bitcoin Discussion which are 99% spambait these days and there's very little constructive opinion you can offer in those type of spam topics (and even if you did there's probably nobody but spammers browsing those sorts of threads so gaining merit will be less likely). I haven't looked into or counted how my merits are distributed but I'm guessing most of them will be in Meta because it's the sub board I'm most active in and I tend to reward posts that are looking at the bigger picture of improving the forum.
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 359
March 22, 2018, 03:59:59 AM
#15
If you think that meta is the most merited section on this forum, well you are wrong mate, same goes with this saying of yours

I have also noticed in order to earn merit without posting in those merit giveaway thread or farming from alt account the only way possible is by posting in meta as that's literally the only place where someone can receive merit , there is barely anyone who receives merits for his reply to a discussion which isn't in the meta section

because one of members on this forum made this beautiful statistics about merit https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/where-the-merit-pours-3093768 , thanks god i still remember his account. This thread prove all of your saying is wrong as meta is not the only meritorious section and there are many of merits been given outside meta. From this, we can learn it is better to have a statistic if we want to talk about others.
legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 3015
Welt Am Draht
March 21, 2018, 09:22:50 PM
#14
Don't think I've ever received a meta related merit, not that I hang out here very much.

Merit heavy users pool in certain places. There's a vast amount of merit handed out on the wall observer thread as so many old schoolers hang out and entertain each other there.

And I'd guess the meta section attracts either total noobs asking questions, or Bitcointalk's heavyweights who want to make it a better place and not much in between.

Ideas, observations and trickiness are all highlighted here so the constructive stuff naturally gets merited by people with smerit who appreciate the efforts to make it a better place.
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
March 21, 2018, 07:28:21 PM
#13
This reminds me of something... did you know that 90% of statistics are made up on the spot? Cheesy

Hmm, something seems off with that statistic, but I don't have any proof to argue that.
legendary
Activity: 2758
Merit: 6830
March 21, 2018, 07:01:18 PM
#12
"Here's a example of TryNinja a user enrolled in chipmixer campaign [...] If you notice 80% of the merits he received on posts is from the meta section"

Ok... let's take a look at this. This is every merit I have received so far:

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1 - Web Wallets
4 - Services
8 - Electrum
15 - Meta
4 - Beginners & Help
7 - Bitcoin Technical Support
2 - Serious discussion
1 - Web Wallets
1 - Local > Português (Portuguese) > Brasil
3 - Service Discussion
5 - Development & Technical Discussion

Total merit: 51
From 'Meta' posts: 15

This means that only 30% of my received merits came from posts in the Meta board. 4 of them (26%) from a post were I busted a copy-paster and 6 (40%) I received on the first week of the merit system when I was giving my opinion on the new system. Great bullshit math OP!

This reminds me of something... did you know that 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot? Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 1232
Merit: 738
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March 21, 2018, 05:57:17 PM
#11
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=557798 - If you notice 80% of the merits he received on posts is from the meta section

Here's another example take a look at Pharmacist merits - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=487418 most are from meta

If not from meta another easy way of getting merits is by starting a merit giveaway thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30499459

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Again i'm not attacking users enrolled in chipmixer they all have constructive posts this is just to create a awareness of how exactly the merit system is working , i'm sure there are many more people who receive merits from posting in meta but i specifically stuck to chipmixer


it's because currently people flock to Meta section discussing a lot about merit and its effects
if only merit was introduced last december, your observation would be completely different
in december a lot of members started threads in Bitcoin Technical Support for stuck, unconfirmed, problems tansactions
I'm pretty sure if merit was around at that time, a lot of merits swing by in that section

also since you tied the fact to paid signature, many sig camps don't pay posts in meta but chipmixer does
this also might be the reasons for signature wearers to post (or not) in meta section
copper member
Activity: 1330
Merit: 899
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March 21, 2018, 05:39:27 PM
#10
First let me say that I'm not the OP here, I would say whatever it is with this account. if you see a merit source sending merits to a post of a Chipmixer participant in a thread where other meritorious posts exist, if the amount of merit is significant and if there is a pattern for them repeating the same thing. Post your evidence.

Do you see any considerable amount of merits given to a post, while other posts deserved those merits? post links. as a merit source, I have decided not giving any merits from my source merit to any campaign manager and any of the members enrolled in the same campaign with me. just to avoid the same thing happening here.
copper member
Activity: 434
Merit: 278
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March 21, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
#9
There must be something wrong in this thread or in O.P.

Can we get it straight are you implying that those merit received by the pharmacist and tryninja is only in meta section? or are they reciprocating the sendable merit Huh

AFAIK you can also receive a merit in Technical Discussion and Serious/Ivory Discussion  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
March 21, 2018, 05:10:29 PM
#8
I noticed that every week while making payments darkstar posts this message regarding the merit stats but if you all notice the merits most people in chipmixer campaign have received is either exchanged between them

Source? I took a look at the people with the most merits and it doesn't seem like any of them were trading. If you have any specific examples, send me a PM or post them here and I'll take a closer look. Trading/exchanging is not at all my purpose of posting the stats, and I can stop if anyone really cares. They're in the spreadsheet anyway and it's mostly for my curiosity.

every weel i see people posting with pride that they will receive the most merit next week but in reality the merit they receive isn't because of there posts but due to the above reasons

Source? I haven't seen anyone do that, and I read the posts of all my campaign members (duh). Closest I've seen might have been bill gator's attempt at catching up to LoyceV, but I don't think that really qualifies.

Let's ignore the first part of the above line and concentrate on the bold part
I have also noticed in order to earn merit without posting in those merit giveaway thread or farming from alt account the only way possible is by posting in meta as that's literally the only place where someone can receive merit , there is barely anyone who receives merits for his reply to a discussion which isn't in the meta section

Take a look at Development & Technical Discussion - that's a great board for merits. Meta seems to be one of the top ways to get merits right now due to the heavy activity by merit sources/people with merits, and actually has quality discussions for the most part. Boards like Bitcoin Discussion or Gambling Discussion are filled with so many spam threads, so I doubt many people with merits like to browse those sections.

..but if you all notice the merits most people in chipmixer campaign have received is either exchanged between them or..
Especially if this is true. I'm saying 'if' because I have not verified this claim.

Not true. (but of course, I have obvious bias in this - I'd suggest taking a look yourself)
newbie
Activity: 12
Merit: 1
March 21, 2018, 04:58:51 PM
#7
there is barely anyone who receives merits for his reply to a discussion which isn't in the meta section
I disagree. I have received and sent many (s)Merits outside of Meta.
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This is the reason you are not included in the list i have seen you merit stats and they are from various sources i got no problem for you

Didn't quote the post about you saying this has nothing to do with chipmixer well actually it does , every weel i see people posting with pride that they will receive the most merit next week but in reality the merit they receive isn't because of there posts but due to the above reasons
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