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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling,

I wonder where are you getting your data on this. I don't think crypto gambling surpass fiat gambling in terms of growth. Remember only a small percentage of global population knows about cryptocurrency. The majority is either don't know about cryptocurrency or hesitant to use it as an option for deposits because of government regulation.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

You should clarify whether using VPN is allowed on the casino platform in order to avoid unnecessary conflict between you and the casino platform. If using VPN is not allowed on the casino platform then your idea of using a VPN to hide your IP isn't wise at all because it may become the cause of blocking your account.

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Quote from: Bananington on December 23, 2022, 09:53:20 AM

Based on what data and statistics have you made this assumption. Many people do not know about cryptocurrency yet, and in that number of persons are gamblers too, so it means that some gamblers still do not have any idea about gambling with cryptocurrency.

It is true that there are gamblers who do not know of cryptocurrency yet but I know this will be those who do not gamble online. Cryptocurrency has become a wave of a thing that anyone with access to the internet must have heard about it. They may not all know how it works, but they have an idea that there's something called cryptocurrency. Those who are into online gambling will know of it even if they do not make use of it but fiat. We can only make excuses for those offline and who are not that educated.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

Firstly you need to read carefully the terms and conditions of the casino site you are using and see if they allow the use of VPN on their site. On the other hand, if you want to hide your IP address completely, then you must use a premium VPN because free VPNs often cannot hide your IP address completely. But if the casino site you are using is legal in your country then you can use VPN because if your account is somehow locked or frozen then you can protect your account by pass kyc there with your NID.

Sorry in advance, I want to ask a question about using a VPN on casino sites.
I and some friends use 2 different online casino sites and have to activate the VPN to be able to open and play on the site because if we don't activate the VPN we cannot enter and access online casinos that we trust.
Of course, we have done this since the first time we tried to play or bet at an online casino.
And my question is, is it possible and are there other ways for us to be able to access or enter to play on a casino site without having to activate the VPN first?

This issue may be because it seems to be restricted to your country. Or your SIM IP address is restricted by your country's government for that site. So in that case you can try using ISP connection or changing DNS to see if the sites work. Like stake.com can't be accessed by my sim's Ip. But I can access it easily through ISP connection without needing any kind of VPN. You can try this way

It doesn't seem like the country I live in has restricted access to online casino sites and SIM IP addresses which are restricted by the government because in my country there are also several online gambling sites which are indeed the owners and managers of my country's citizens too and can be accessed easily without any conditions or limitations.
Regarding using an IPS connection and changing the DNS to be able to access it, I have done it but to no avail, I still can't enter the site.

But in that case you need to stop using this site or access this site using VPN. However, if the site accepts your country's NID document for KYC verification, then there may be no problem using VPN. If necessary, if there is any problem with your account, you will be able to solve the problem of the account by doing KYC verification. So research the site thoroughly before continuing to use a VPN

In the case of gambling I think it's better to avoid vpn Because sometimes using a VPN is against their rules, they can use this excuse to freeze the account or freeze it if they win a big jackpot. However, you can use vpn on most websites if you have a small amount of funded account or small amount of gambling. But it is best to check their rules and conditions then play gambling.

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That is why it is really important to take some of our time reading the ToS before agreeing anything on it.

This is important for registering into casino sites or games. If you won't like your identity to be in public or the management to have it you will know what you want to register for. If you have bad attitude this is open for the public or government to trace on you in that registration you have with the casino. It is good to check very well before registering on the casino.

To be sincere when last did you take your time to read the terms, condition and agreement of a website or casino before you register in it?
Most times we just use a platform even before gradually start learning about things that are accepted and those that are not.
And I do believe that most casinos don't accept the use of VPN.

this is the first thing a gambler should read about if he will be spending a significant amount of money to the casino. guess, a lot are just ignoring the ToS of the site, and when their funds are in trouble, that's when they will start reading the ToS of the site. so yes, if you are planning to use a VPN service, make sure the site is allowing you to use such kind of service. because some are not amenable to this. you can also ask their online support if it is not clear with their terms, at least, you have direct communication with them if in case you will use VPN.

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Quote from: Vaculin on December 25, 2022, 12:28:45 PM

That is why it is really important to take some of our time reading the ToS before agreeing anything on it.

This is important for registering into casino sites or games. If you won't like your identity to be in public or the management to have it you will know what you want to register for. If you have bad attitude this is open for the public or government to trace on you in that registration you have with the casino. It is good to check very well before registering on the casino.

To be sincere when last did you take your time to read the terms, condition and agreement of a website or casino before you register in it?
Most times we just use a platform even before gradually start learning about things that are accepted and those that are not.
And I do believe that most casinos don't accept the use of VPN.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

Well the rise of crypto is evident, now and I think the opposite of you, I prefer the use of crypto because they give me much more security than anything else, fiat for me has a lot of protocol, many people's permits are needed to be able to do something and that's what I don't like, using a VPN with money is good, with a paid VPN you know you'll have an excellent service, but if I have enough money to play I wouldn't choose a site that has to use VPN,. Because it would be a risk, and since it is money that is going to be invested and risked, I would not like to have a bad experience like many users of some casinos who do their own with a VPN, sometimes the experiences are very bad.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on December 26, 2022, 09:13:32 AM

So that's why I've seen my friends get banned before because they used a free VPN? My friends used VPN because it was blocked in our country (about 3 years ago, I believe) because they became addicted to playing those crash games, so they decided to use VPN to unblock it; they used OpenVPN at the time and also Psiphon3, which has a free server; their account was banned due to violating the TOS, and they contacted support, who said it was because they were using multiple accounts, but they insisted that they didn't and they have discussed that they are using VPN. So possibly using a VPN for free is not good, but how about the paid one? Since there are services offering VPN service that is fast because you are the only one using it?

There you go. The casino's security department probably connected the same IP address or addresses to multiple accounts. When that happens, the casino can ask all connected accounts individually to undergo KYC to check if they will submit the same documents that proves multi-accounting. But if they don't want to do that or if they are scammers looking for an easy way to confiscate their players' money, they can just delete their accounts and take everything they have from them saying they are guilty of using multiple accounts.

The free servers are surely used more than the paid ones. But you can still get into the same kind of situation with a paid VPN. Your friend can purchase a premium subscription and use it to gamble on Casino X and some other people on the other side of the globe can just as easily do the same. Don't use VPNs until you have discussed it thoroughly with the support.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

Never that i Use VPN in gambling online though this isn't bad idea at all, if you think this is safer then use VPN but I think there are many casino that does not allow us to use that because for them this is a way of cheating.
so check the TOS before playing using that mate for your own safeties .

Before covid-19 came, crypto is already emerging but covid boosted it more because people are forced to stay at home. They do nothing so to kill boredom they find ways to entertain themselves and online gambling is one of it. I think the use of VPNs in the future is going to be prohibited because this kills the regulation that crypto casinos are implementing right now.

This is only the sad part here. Now, will you still say that fiats will extinct in gambling? If people can't attain anonymity anymore in cryptos then what's the point of using it? People will just play more using their fiats as this is more easier. It's also supported by the banks.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

You need to know that the internet world in general is always full of hackers & spammers, especially networks of online gambling sites, whether they are crypto or fiat casinos, As far as I know, there are many methods for deciding or as you said hiding the IP address that is done by online gamblers, they don't want your identity & location to be found out and your personal data.

One method that is often used by online gamblers to hide IP is like you use a VPN extension, it can also be a Proxy Server or IP Address Software, all for convenience and security, I think it's natural if you do all of that, what you do is for security in terms of the device system you are using, what is certain is that you are safer to bet on online crypto gambling sites.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

There's no anything called security issues or data breach with crypto gambling as long as you know how to get yourself secured, security is something you desire to have then you go after it in taking up the challenges to acquire it, just as you can have your bitcoin in a centralized exchange or in an online hot wallet than having it on a decentralized exchange, hardware wallet or running yourself a full node to remain privately secured, same way if you know how to go with thesame pattern in using a crypto gambling casino you will have no issues on this.

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It should be clear to the OP by now that this is not a good plan. I tried using a vpn simply because I was testing it to access a casino where I can access from my country, and as the casino detected that I was in another country where access is not allowed, because of the vpn, it wouldn't let me access.

If it is against the rules, if it is forbidden in the ToS, better forget it, it will only bring problems. And there are no advantages either, well, in case of a possible data breach, ok, but they have not been known in the forum for years.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

It doesn't matter what VPN provider you use. If VPN usage is banned on the platform you play on, the type of VPN doesn't matter. It's just a matter of time before they find out or suspect that you are using multiple accounts if some other players connect to the same servers when gambling at the same casino.

So that's why I've seen my friends get banned before because they used a free VPN? My friends used VPN because it was blocked in our country (about 3 years ago, I believe) because they became addicted to playing those crash games, so they decided to use VPN to unblock it; they used OpenVPN at the time and also Psiphon3, which has a free server; their account was banned due to violating the TOS, and they contacted support, who said it was because they were using multiple accounts, but they insisted that they didn't and they have discussed that they are using VPN. So possibly using a VPN for free is not good, but how about the paid one? Since there are services offering VPN service that is fast because you are the only one using it?

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Using a VPN will enable you to access some online casinos, but not all. Many of these sites use sophisticated software that blocks VPN access. A VPN error message I commonly encounter when trying to access an online casino is one that asks me to turn off all proxies on my computer before I can access it.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

i have never tried using a VPN while gambling, but from several cases that i have seen, many crypto-gambling sites strictly prohibit their users from using VPNs to avoid cheating users. but why do you have to use a VPN, if your country doesn't prohibit gambling? is your country not friendly to gambling? then i think you can ask CS on the gambling site you want to play on, and ask, what VPN they recommend so that you are safe playing on their site.

Well, there are some casinos that do accept that you have and can play using the VPN, it is not a bad thing, however those casinos that do not allow it are better not to, but I think that in the future all casinos will have to accept the use of VPN, the reason is very simple, it is very difficult to say no to money, and that is something that I think few people would say, and those who would say it is because eventually they do not need it, and in any business model it can be done I think that these things should be taken into account, because a casino lives off its people and its players, and if they ban the most potential players it is something that should not be allowed, it is pure business logic.

So are you basically saying that casinos will allow the usage of VPNs so that they can get more users to their website and hence more profits ?
I don't think that will happen because casino's can't officially announce the use of VPNs.
It will be against the regulatory authorities if that country has regulations that do not allow users to gamble.
It can happen unofficially though by not putting any statement related to VPNs on their site but I still think it will involve regulatory risks if a gambling website allows VPNs.

Many online casinos are not available in my country. But I use a VPN to access them. Although many routes do not work. For example, the German servers do not allow access to casinos. I use UK servers to access casinos and I have no problem with them.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat...

I seriously doubt that. Fiat casinos have been around for decades and have a huge head start for crypto casinos to overtake them just like that. Crypto gambling is becoming more and more popular, but there are millions of gamblers who play different games and sports without ever touching cryptocurrencies.

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

It doesn't matter what VPN provider you use. If VPN usage is banned on the platform you play on, the type of VPN doesn't matter. It's just a matter of time before they find out or suspect that you are using multiple accounts if some other players connect to the same servers when gambling at the same casino.

If I were you, I would speak with the customer support and ask if VPN usage is allowed. More importantly, read the TOS agreement, and see what they say about it there. The TOS is superior to the information provided by the support. If they don't mind that players use VPNs, make sure you are only connecting to servers in territories that are allowed on the casinos. Most casinos don't allow US-based players from playing, so don't connect to a US server, for example.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

I would be very careful when using a VPN. Are you using the VPN to be logged in from another country, or are you keeping the same country and just want another IP? Most casinos don't allow the use of VPNs because different countries have different regulations. Especially if you are in a country very gambling is limited or even banned it's kind of a big deal to circumvent it with a VPN. The casino could freeze your account any time and all your winnings would be void. In my opinion the risk of losing money is much larger than the extra layer of security you get.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

With the things you described above, I don't believe there is worse money than fiat, probably you don't know much about cryptocurrencies. If you use Fiat to fund a casino that request KYC and perhaps one day, they got leaked and data bridge, don't you think that is the fastest means you can become publicly exposed to the internet and the rest of the world? Fiat is more prone to the above mentions than cryptocurrency.

However, there are some constraints on how crypto can protect you from casino funding, particularly when you use casinos that require your identity to be captured, which already breaks the pseudo-anonymity crypto gives you. But, in a scenario where you used a non-KYC casino and funded with Bitcoin, nobody can trace you or know who you really are in case there is a data bridge or when your documents are made public online.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on December 26, 2022, 02:59:52 AM

That is why we need to read their TOS as well as their VPN regulations just to be safe because I've seen and noticed that when someone uses VPN, their account usually gets locked out, so it is better if we read it and also ask their chat support to get answers. But, since the pandemic, I've heard that most gambling websites are now okay with using VPN, unlike before, but they still make sure to allow it to avoid any problems.

Before pandemic and after pandemic doesn't make any change if using VPN is correct, as long as the casino didn't update or change their terms of services, the rules is still same. Everyone need to know if they're using VPN, it's almost 100% the casino will ask you to submit KYC, it's not because you're done bad thing only you will get asked to submit KYC. So there's no chance to hide both of them, you need to either give your real IP address or your ID.

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 23, 2022, 09:16:47 AM

Crypto gambling keeps growing faster than Fiat gambling, it's good to see that the masses now favours crypto for gambling than using Fiat but the only issue I have with crypto is the security, data breach and co so I want to know if hiding my IP on a crypto gambling website is secure? I am going with a premium sub of express VPN. If you think otherwise please tell me.

I use a premium VPN because the ISP of my country blocks almost all access to gambling sites so far I have not faced any problems because my country is not a country that is on the list of prohibited gambling sites, so you have to read the terms and conditions carefully or if necessary you ask directly to their live support if it turns out that it's not allowed it's better don't force yourself to keep playing there but because you are using a premium VPN I think it won't be a problem what often ends up being an obstacle is a free VPN.

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It's getting better (crypto gambling) when compared to fiat gambling. Security issues are always a top priority to consider because they are important.
There are gambling sites that can be accessed without having to use a VPN. Instead of worrying about losing capital, it's better to just deposit if you want to play and withdraw everything when you win. It may seem complicated, but for me it's better.

but sometimes a gambler wants to bet on something new that exists on another platform. so we can't force someone to gamble there. the easier thing is to look at the ToS that has been provided by the gambling party, usually written there to allow or not to allow access using a VPN.
like I bet on several gambling platforms using VPN until today safe and no problem whatsoever. so you don't need to worry about losing funds if you read the ToS before deposit

That is why we need to read their TOS as well as their VPN regulations just to be safe because I've seen and noticed that when someone uses VPN, their account usually gets locked out, so it is better if we read it and also ask their chat support to get answers. But, since the pandemic, I've heard that most gambling websites are now okay with using VPN, unlike before, but they still make sure to allow it to avoid any problems.

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