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Don't come here to act like a safe heaven as if you are not after the money. You'll see everyone in 1×bit campaign as a money monger that is capable of being a scammer but lemme ask you a question. If Theymos ends all campaigns on this forum, can you survive the trauma it would cost you? Can you do without campaign?
I believe in change that 1×bit would resolve all there accusations...so let's wait till then rather than judging me!

You're still not remorseful for what you've done, and you're talking about someone acting like they don't need cash that comes from signature campaigns? So, because we need cash we should sell our conscience to the devil for cash right? You don't even have dignity of labour? What a shame! Whatever happens to the mantra "There's dignity in labour?" You don't even put yourself for once in the shoes of those who've been scammed by the company whose logo you wear shamelessly like a slave and then know what it feels like losing your hard earned cash to a bunch of online fraudsters? All you care for is the pittance that comes from rogues? Dude, can't you just be empathetic to others who got scammed by those you advertise, even if it's just this once?

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Quote from: Mpamaegbu on August 27, 2021, 10:55:40 AM

Quote from: Desmong on June 27, 2021, 09:00:48 AM

Is it a punishable offence for one to promote a site that is tagged a scam?

You asked this hilarious but obviously immoral question because you haven't been scammed before. If you had been scammed before, I'm sure you wouldn't be asking this type of question. How do you feel if a man who stole your wallet or other belongings walks pass your street freely every day? Pretty sad, right? That's the same way those who got scammed by the shady company you're promoting feel seeing the fraudulent company run advert on a noble forum like BTT. You guys were warned to take off the signature logo or risk getting red tags but all refused to heed to that warning.

Don't come here to act like a safe heaven as if you are not after the money. You'll see everyone in 1×bit campaign as a money monger that is capable of being a scammer which is wrong. You guys red trust my account for joining the campaign and you still want me to leave, on what basis? Do the needful then I'll do my own part.
I believe in change that 1×bit would resolve all there accusations...so let's wait till then rather than judging me!

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Quote from: Desmong on June 27, 2021, 09:00:48 AM

Is it a punishable offence for one to promote a site that is tagged a scam?

You asked this hilarious but obviously immoral question because you haven't been scammed before. If you had been scammed before, I'm sure you wouldn't be asking this type of question. How do you feel if a man who stole your wallet or other belongings walks pass your street freely every day? Pretty sad, right? That's the same way those who got scammed by the shady company you're promoting feel seeing the fraudulent company run advert on a noble forum like BTT. You guys were warned to take off the signature logo or risk getting red tags but all refused to heed to that warning.

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Quote from: BIN-BIN on August 19, 2021, 06:42:51 AM

Ops we all joined the campaign after our due diligence and come with terms of the risk involved in promoting a company that many views as a scam past accusations, but I will advise you to wait and hope that the 1xbit team continues with its consistent efforts in resolving the issues, that is the only way the red trust will get reviewed and reversed.

So, you are also aware that what you are promoting is scam as of now? What makes you think that the DT members will reverse the feedback they left on your profile?
Just enjoy your scam money instead of coming here to make the whole situation look normal.

If you still have hope that 1xbit will resolve all the unresolved scam accusations, then you are putting your hope on a wrong company.

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To answer your question yes it is something that you may be punished for.

Then again presenting independently verifiable truth is also something the warden of this forum supports so I wouldn't really worry about it.

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It's in the discretion of the DT, if they deem that there's something wrong with and yes I think it should be punishable because you are enabling this group from their scamming behavior so you are basically an accomplice to whatever their doing.

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Ops we all joined the campaign after our due diligence and come with terms of the risk involved in promoting a company that many views as a scam past accusations, but I will advise you to wait and hope that the 1xbit team continues with its consistent efforts in resolving the issues, that is the only way the red trust will get reviewed and reversed.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 29, 2021, 03:41:07 AM

Signatures are kind if advocating for the promoting site. If you are promoting something in the signature, you are giving the message to a lot of other people who may or may not know the status of your promoting site and after joining the casino and get scammed, your role here is also same as scammer because you helped scammer.

Is like some of them lacks the knowledge that promoting a scammer platform it assumed that you are also a scammer such wisdom escape from all the participants Brain, all those working with them are aware that the platform is a scam site, so any one giving excuses here base on the red trust given that their not aware of the campaign before they joined, so i stand to say it's a fallacy because the notification is everywhere, in summary everyone participating there is scammers because they are promoting scam site.

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Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 12:16:37 PM

Maybe some do not know, and others probably forgot what was the situation with Best Change ?! They had to work to rebuild their reputation on Bitcointalk. Now many users wear their signature even in this thread.
It's true that 1xBit has a lot of issues, but from what I see, they try to fix it all the time.
In my opinion, they will bring things to order soon and many of you will change your mind about them, just as it happened with Best Change.
After all, this is what we all want.

You are comparing 1xbit with Bestchange? I don't think they are equal each other. What happened with the Bestchange? When they come with a signature campaign without a Escrow. That time many of our reputed members warns for only non escrowed campaign. But after finishing one week when they paid people start to calm down.

Few days later someone come with 21k$ issue. This was also solved by them. And now who were against Bestchange and also did fight against them are wearing their signature.

But for 1xbit has a lot of issue in past. Still people are complaining/ creating scam accusation against them.

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Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 12:16:37 PM

Maybe some do not know, and others probably forgot what was the situation with Best Change ?! They had to work to rebuild their reputation on Bitcointalk. Now many users wear their signature even in this thread.
It's true that 1xBit has a lot of issues, but from what I see, they try to fix it all the time.

If they would have wanted to resolve all scam accusations, they would have done it by now. But paying back the amount they scammed would cost them serious money. It's much cheaper to hire red-trusted scammers like yourself to do their dirty work and pretend they're going legit.

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Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 02:30:11 PM

I watch them solve the issues and unfortunately there will always be situations that as you well know the casino cannot disclose. I don't like it either, but unfortunately that's how the law is constructed.

But they don't even bother mention what point of their Terms and Condition (ToS) the user broke. It's like police arrest you for violating the law, but they don't mention what law do you break.

As a general rule, for laws to take effect, they must be published in order for the people to know what the law is. It does not matter if they do not actually read the law, what matters is the constructive publication of it and its existence known to the people. In addition, there is no crime if there is no law punishing someone for it.

Just like what ETFbitcoin mentioned, it will be an arbitrary use of power to punish someone without even knowing what law/rule he violated. If the casino cannot disclose such rule but they use this against a person, this is just a denial of due process. At no instance that this must be allowed at any cost.

The issue of 1xbit is that they claim to have a series of rules that people violated but they fail to publish on what specific rule was violated.

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Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 12:16:37 PM

In my opinion, they will bring things to order soon and many of you will change your mind about them, just as it happened with Best Change.
After all, this is what we all want.

It seems this isn't happening anytime soon, when it was best_change been questioned, they stepped up and that's the reason many users were ok promoting them because they actually showed concerned and resolved the accusations against them in the best way possible, it even resulted in them stopping any other promotion that could have given room to spammers and cheater polluting the forum with their alts as we can see with 1xBit.

After resolving their accusations, they increased their standard of accepting promoters & even their payrate and today they're among the best campaigns on the forum and among the top payers. On the other hands 1xBit seems to not care and keep giving opportunity to alts to spam the forum and you expect us to believe they're working towards resolving anything?.

To the OP, you chooses the wrong part hope you can get a second chance though. Assuming you weren't in a hurry to get paid for posting on the forum then maybe you would have seen the community has some unwritten guidelines of theirs something like this, [Infographic]: Guide on possible reasons to leave a -ve/+ve trust feedbacks, not perfect though but it'll give you an idea.

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Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 12:16:37 PM

Maybe some do not know, and others probably forgot what was the situation with Best Change ?! They had to work to rebuild their reputation on Bitcointalk. Now many users wear their signature even in this thread.
It's true that 1xBit has a lot of issues, but from what I see, they try to fix it all the time.
In my opinion, they will bring things to order soon and many of you will change your mind about them, just as it happened with Best Change.
After all, this is what we all want.

Sorry to say this, but trying to compare the 1xBit situation to what happened to BestChange is a lame attempt to make 1xbit look legit, yet it's not.

If I may ask, can you list at least 3 accusations in this forum were BestChange scammed or kept someone's money that were never resolved. I am waiting.

I could easily list over 15 genuine accusations against 1xbit that were never resolved.

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Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 02:30:11 PM

I watch them solve the issues and unfortunately there will always be situations that as you well know the casino cannot disclose. I don't like it either, but unfortunately that's how the law is constructed.
I see support talking to people submitting complaints almost every day.

I know scam accusations made against almost every casino that available in the gambling section. But as I said above, the reputed casino should address the problem and should solve it as well. A few days back there was an accusation against Sportsbet, and I was active on that accusation. But there was an explanation from Sportsbet and they settled it with the victim. In this situation, I can't call the Sportsbet scam. Here is the problem with 1xbit, they don't have any intention to resolve the accusation and they just sing an old song. If gamblers lost funds they don't have an issue with their terms and conditions, but once gamblers win then they start terms and conditions drama. This isn't a good sign for a casino.

It's pretty simple that wearing the signature of any company means we support their activities. Doesn't matter you are getting paid or not. You may voluntarily wear a signature, but the matter is you supporting them and their activities on the forum. If you feel 1xbit is doing well then up to you, we can't prevent you. We also can't prevent if any of the DT members tag in this situation. Because a major part of the community does not like to see 1xbit signature on the forum.

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Tagging should be removed.

Flags alone should remain and they need to be based on objective reliable standards.

Tagging is apart of a wider scam and facilitates scamming in numerous undeniable ways.

Many are of the opinion those supporting or promoting scams are scammers.
Unless its them.

If you were tagged for promoting a proven scam that is different from promoting a tagged project.
Also intention should be evaluated if possible. This is for the currently flawed system.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 01, 2021, 01:52:40 PM

Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 12:16:37 PM

Maybe some do not know, and others probably forgot what was the situation with Best Change ?! They had to work to rebuild their reputation on Bitcointalk. Now many users wear their signature even in this thread.
It's true that 1xBit has a lot of issues, but from what I see, they try to fix it all the time.
In my opinion, they will bring things to order soon and many of you will change your mind about them, just as it happened with Best Change.
After all, this is what we all want.

Yea, at the beginning BestChange has some issues. But do you know the difference between 1xbit and BestChange? The difference is BestChange enough friendly to resolve issues and they proved that. Whatever accusation was against BestChange has been solved. But on the other hand, 1xbit isn't friendly enough to solve user's issues. Rather than they stuck with their Terms & Conditions story. They just open the resolution thread, but no solution there. They denied all valid claims. You should know it better since you are wearing a 1xbit signature. Only running a signature campaign without solving user's issues would build a reputation here.

Come on! I am aware of what is happening with 1xBit.
It is true that the situation with Best Change was settled friendly and fast, because in fact it was not as much problems as 1xBit has. Of course they need more time.
I watch them solve the issues and unfortunately there will always be situations that as you well know the casino cannot disclose. I don't like it either, but unfortunately that's how the law is constructed.
I see support talking to people submitting complaints almost every day.
With such a shattered opinion, it is difficult to defend yourself against any accusation and it is difficult to defend them in any way. What I am writing is just my opinion, which I try to be as objective as possible, although it probably won't be because they pay me.
I'm not saying that everything is great, but in my opinion it is going in the right direction and I keep my fingers crossed for it to keep going.

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Quote from: Erdogan on July 01, 2021, 12:16:37 PM

Maybe some do not know, and others probably forgot what was the situation with Best Change ?! They had to work to rebuild their reputation on Bitcointalk. Now many users wear their signature even in this thread.
It's true that 1xBit has a lot of issues, but from what I see, they try to fix it all the time.
In my opinion, they will bring things to order soon and many of you will change your mind about them, just as it happened with Best Change.
After all, this is what we all want.

Yea, at the beginning BestChange has some issues. But do you know the difference between 1xbit and BestChange? The difference is BestChange enough friendly to resolve issues and they proved that. Whatever accusation was against BestChange has been solved. But on the other hand, 1xbit isn't friendly enough to solve user's issues. Rather than they stuck with their Terms & Conditions story. They just open the resolution thread, but no solution there. They denied all valid claims. You should know it better since you are wearing a 1xbit signature. Only running a signature campaign without solving user's issues would build a reputation here.

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Maybe some do not know, and others probably forgot what was the situation with Best Change ?! They had to work to rebuild their reputation on Bitcointalk. Now many users wear their signature even in this thread.
It's true that 1xBit has a lot of issues, but from what I see, they try to fix it all the time.
In my opinion, they will bring things to order soon and many of you will change your mind about them, just as it happened with Best Change.
After all, this is what we all want.

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Quote from: Desmong on June 27, 2021, 09:00:48 AM

Is it a punishable offence for one to promote a site that is tagged a scam?

If you try to promote anything after knowing that the site is scam or probably scam or there are a lot of scam accusation then it should be punishable for promoting a scam site. Promoting a scam site means you are try to scam funds by helping the scammer/scammers. Ethically you should avoid this types of promotions too.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on June 29, 2021, 03:41:07 AM

Signatures are kind if advocating for the promoting site. If you are promoting something in the signature, you are giving the message to a lot of other people who may or may not know the status of your promoting site and after joining the casino and get scammed, your role here is also same as scammer because you helped scammer.

Exactly, and wearing them besides advocating, you are blindly tolerating the deeds of the scam website which means that besides being a sort of an accomplice due to promoting the site through signature, you are also enabling and making sure that they will still operate because unsuspecting users will get curious and get scammed by this website.

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