Topic: Is this a punishable offence? - page 2. (Read 619 times)

Signatures are kind if advocating for the promoting site. If you are promoting something in the signature, you are giving the message to a lot of other people who may or may not know the status of your promoting site and after joining the casino and get scammed, your role here is also same as scammer because you helped scammer.

Actually a red trust is a penalty to anyone who is not doing what is not obtainable to the community, so the punishment is red trust, that's is the reason it doesn't been given any how or base on enemity or hatred to the community, it occurs base on the level of commitment,so therefore other users or people that's claiming to be newbies or novice have to learn or understand that what ever platform or community is kicking against is not supposed to be welcomed by anyone except a situation you are ready to face the consequences, so I'm using this time to let you know op, that the only person that have hundred percent (100%) right to remove your red tagged, is a user that red tagged you, but having it in mind that any other user your good with can free you from the red tag,i stand to let you know that its fallacy, and that is the reason it's good to follow the masses.

I'd say the Trust system should be used to protect others. So if OP's signature tries to scam users, negative feedback could warn those users.

Is it a punishable offense If a robber or murderer was identified by police, but then you go ahead and hide him away from the police in your house?

By consciously promoting a scam, it means you are no better than the scammer you are trying to promote, so you shouldn't be trusted.

One of the many uses of it.

But you also have a choice to know what's good and bad. That's why you have a brain in that thick skull of yours and not a watermelon.

Yes you were aware. There are warnings allover including the signature campaign application thread. The scam started years ago, and they are still scamming. It's not like they have stopped.

The money you are receiving to continue promoting them are probably winnings from someone's blocked account.

Good catch, most probably these are alt account although there is no strong evidence yet (hope it will discover once a day). They will not remove, because he thinks promoting scam isn't a crime since the forum hasn't been preventing them from posting on the forum. Simply OP doesn't know how a trust system works.

Because OP is a lair. He knows it is a scam and consciously he wore the signature. Now making a thread to remove negative tags. He doesn't have the intent to remove the signature. 

Pretty sure these accounts are controlled by the same person:

Desmong
Alisha-k
Ebede



Desmong had to wait to get some merits to apply.

They have all sent each other merit, all signed up for 1xbit, and all paste in relatively the same style in the same time zone.

All 3 accounts were given several chances to remove their signature and they didn't, so obviously they don't care. These are just 3 farmed accounts and he's gonna milk em for all they're worth.

What was done by: @logfiles & @robelneo, it's right, you get punished.

There are two factors here that cause you to get punished or not.

1. You know the site 1xbit scam / and you still promote them in this forum clearly, so it makes sense that other members warn other members who don't know about 1xbit on your profile, to prevent new victims.
If you are not in law with paint (Red) and put up sig constantly hanging around this forum, members who do not know about the site 1xbit, they think 1xbit is honest, it's not, in your case, @logfiles & @robelneo did the right thing to warn others, no new victims, if they check your (trust) they are written.

2. You already know the 1xbit site is a scam and you are not involved in promoting the 1xbit site and looking for another honest and responsible campaign, you are definitely not being punished.

Because deception is not moderated here, that's the function of punishment and trust is used, to warn other members.

Yes it's and I'll explain in the simplest way possible. If a project is believed to be a scam and has been tagged, anyone seen promoting it is seen as an accomplish to the scam. You're basically saying this project is worth the patronage, atleast that's what the signature ad reads to most users. Before you wear a company ad, you have to be ok with the operations of that company and if you're not then you're a hypocrite. Why promote what you don't agree to, just for the money? Nah that's low.

Since the project have been tagged a scam, all those promoting it are aiding in the scamming of community members and since the dt system was introduced to help tackle that anyone with the dt privilege is doing what is right doing to protect the community. Don't promoting scams, anybody doing so is no different than the scammers themselves.

It is not against the forum rules.

It is just a trust issue. You can promote anything you want. Even scamming is allowed. You just can't have people trust you anymore when you do that and trust is not moderated.

You can still make money by playing clean. Maybe less money, but you'll have some inner peace. Good luck.

Where were you when lots of discussions happen on the forum about the 1xbit campaign? It's surprising you hadn't noticed discussion but notice when you get the red tag. As I have seen last time there were no participants in 1xbit without a red tag. I can't imagine you haven't noticed the red tag of the campaign manager hence you are blaming you were unaware. Trust isn't moderated and all DT member's opinions aren't the same anyway. The community does not want to see 1xbit advertisements on the forum, either forum ads or signature ads. You are promoting a well-known scam means you are supporting them. Most likely that's why you got the tag. For me, I support this kind of tag, you should learn.

Trust is not moderated and the only one who can remove the negative feedback from your profile is the one who left it. Send a pm to robelneo and logfiles and try to convince them to remove their feedback.
Imo, users who promote scammy services deserve a second chance if they didn't know about the scam accusation or haven't been warned beforehand.

But on all cigarette packets you will see a warning label warning about the risks of smoking. A negative feedback serves the same purpose.

I assume you already know some of those issues but for some reason, you're still wearing their signature; Care to explain why?

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Exactly! @Desmong refer to #4 from the following list ^{[a bit outdated]}: Things not against forum rules but frowned upon by community!

Honestly, given the state of the trust system and even how it was structured from the start, I have no idea why it was created in the first place.  I've always been of the opinion that it's broken and prone to abuse and more often than not it does more harm than good.  As to the question of whether it was intended to deal with members who promote scams, I'd have to say probably not.  But in any case, whether you get tagged for being in a campaign for a company that's a scam or not is up to the member(s) who tagged you, not the forum itself.

Good question and one I've never been able to answer myself.  Theymos doesn't want bitcointalk to moderate scams or scammers, therefore both are allowed to exist here.  But (and this is a big but) that doesn't mean that the community at large has to support scams, scammers, or members who promote scams. 

You'll notice that you only got negged by two members for wearing the 1xbit.com signature, and only one of them is currently on the default trust list.  That should tell you that it's not a common practice to tag members who participate in campaigns run by companies known or suspected to be scammers--but members are allowed to give negative trust for that if they so choose.

TL;DR: Forum rules and community standards are two separate things and are sometimes in conflict with one another.  That's just the way it is on bitcointalk.

Punishments are only given to those who violate forum rules. Promoting scam services (proven) is not a violation and redtrust is not a form of punishment but just a warning tag to be more careful dealing with that person.

Anyone can reconsider feedback on redtrust(support or deny), no one including the tagger can get in the way if someone else wants to deal with you or vice versa.

There's a lot of additional rules on the application of trust system since theymos introduced it before. But the most important thing to consider was its decentralized so which means a DT can do which they think was right especially when other supports it. The original guidelines of the trust is too generalised that's why a DT can apply it base on there own perspective.

Simply, You are promoting campaign which means you allowing them to use you as a tool to scam. Simple logic can understand the point.

I am not totally sure about the tagging for only participating in scam campaign. But Personally I don't think it's a good criteria of a member here /looks shady to me.

Did you see 1xbit started a promotion officially in this forum by winning forum auction ? Later Theymos rejected them when can know about 1xbit reputation. That means forum don't allow such shady reputed project in this forum officially.

I can just say atleast you should follow what the community say and support.

Is it a punishable offence for one to promote a site that is tagged a scam?

Why is the red trust system created? Is it meant to be used against individuals that participate in campaigns of sites that are tagged scam? Why does the forum allows the operation of these sites when they Know that they'll evil?

Telling people not to smoke and still giving them cigarettes is evil which should not be condone. In as much as the forum give liberty for individual ads on this site without being penalized if anything goes wrong, i think I have the same liberty to join any campaign of my choice.

I was never aware of the scam issues of 1×bit from the start which occurred many years ago. Some persons used the avenue to red trust me just because I participated in it which is unfair. Why not they penalize the original site rather than the participants that has nothing to do with the original scene, misusing the main motive behind the creation of the Red Trusting System.

I come in peace!