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August 05, 2020, 05:44:01 PM
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andulolika threaten to death another member previously
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With all politeness, I don't see the point in picking on months-old scars because they are not relevant to your current complaint. Mods can't take action against people because of things they already punished in the past.
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August 05, 2020, 11:32:59 AM
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2. WTF are you even arguing about ? There is no scam

Actually, there is a scam. This is the scam:

Given all the above, I believe he needs additional negative feedbacks from DT members, as he is trying to lure naïve members and steal their money for services he can not offer. Of course (term which he writes as "ofcourse"), nobody should hire someone who didn't pay a loan in 3 years, as this is a good sign that the respective person may not respect the contract deadlines. Also, nobody should hire a ban evader, a member which makes death threats and, generally speaking, an imbecile. Is like hiring a blind man for a guide tour or someone without a driver license for being a taxi driver. But all these can be enforced also with appropriate feedbacks from DT members. Anyone hiring andulolika is at great risk of losing money as he can't offer translation services due to his low intellect and lack of knowledge of his native language and also of the mentioned foreign languages.

just a guy with "less than perfect" writing skills advertising for translation services. Not the first, not the last.

^ You should correct that with "way less than mediocre writing skills". Sadly, not the first, not the last. But one of the few which is trying to scam this way.

Are we going to pretend no one here has been pissed on and burned by a women in leather?

Lol - that was really funny, to say the least Smiley

Secondly, these words, do you know the threatening suspect, in the real world?
The answer;
If you know it's real, yes it's a "threat".

However, if you do not know the real suspect, it is legally flawed [...]

OP, what is the name of the account that says the words of wisdom to you, you say the main account has been banned, so can you give the account name.

I don't agree. Threats (no matter if death threats or serious threats but which don't involve death, body harming threats and so on) are not allowed on the forum, according to forum rules:

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

If what you're saying was true, it would imply that a forum member which makes a threat - let's say a death threat - can be banned only after performing the homicide? Including all the police investigation, all the duration of the trial, his appeal (if any) and oooooonly, only after the court of law would put this guy behind the bar, the forum would finally ban him? I hope you're joking Smiley

Regarding the guy's name, I already stated it before - it is andulolika. See the links from OP and my previous post from the topic (the 15th post).

Also, as NeuroticFish already emphasized, andulolika threaten to death another member previously: parodium. Let me quote some more details on this, in case you missed my conversation with andulolika from the Romanian topic:

I never threatened parodium i honestly admited i'd either kill him if chance was proper

Quoted for reference.

[...]

Oh, in case there are people which don't know about your death threats or consider this being an exaggeration, here they are:



Alright so this fucker tagged me with fake picture that i threatened him, i never done such thing however after i did warn him that i would slit his throat

i just were honest and told him what i would do to him in that moment

Well that's a really ethical and honest person! That's the spirit!

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.

He was banned for 180 days but his ban expired. However, he evaded his ban and nothing happened to him. His ban evasion can be found as a feedback written at his profile and also at the last post of this archived reference.

GazetaBitcoin is probably one of those people that doesn't take death threats lightly.

Yes, this is correct. I don't take such things lightly, especially when they come from someone which is notorious for making death threats. Imagine that Jack the Ripper himself would make a slight allusion about butchering someone or setting someone on fire or something similar -- even if it was a joke. I'd guess it should be taken very seriously.

I believe, it is considered a death threat and this is how I reported while it happened to me - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-it-allowed-to-threaten-someone-to-shoot-in-real-world-1708429. theymos did take a stern action.

Thank you for sharing this. This is exactly what I meant when I wrote above to YOSHIE: mods don't have to wait until a murder is done in order to ban someone. Such words are enough.



All in all, I saw that several members here expressed their feelings for this being either a death threat or at least a threat. Not many were those which considered andulolika's allegations to be simple, regular chit-chat words. As a consequence, I reported him for breaking rule 8 by making threats (I didn't write death threats but only threats), mentioning as well that he was already banned before for making death threats in the past.

And for those not convinced yet about the scum character of this individual, let me quote what he said after I warned him that such expression may lead to a nice time behind bars, if the Police would get him:

Sa ma pis pe tine si sa iti dau foc.

Again, quoted for reference as this can be considered another death threat. I'll try to pull some strings to see if I can find out who you really are. Maybe Police will be interested in analyzing your allegation while offering you a nice time behind bars.

You call the cops suck their dicks and maybe they send me a letter. Just go yell your stupid name in front of the section perhaps you luckier.

That being said, if anyone has any information about this individual, about this modern Jack the Ripper wannabee, please let me know. I'll try to make a dossier about him and forward it to the Police, to see what Police would say about someone who says "i would slit his throat", "thank people I haven't insulted you or taken your life if I had the chance", "I could slith your throat, good luck leaving that bit of blood on my coat", "I can definitely look like a psychopat and slith your throat" or "I will piss on you and burn you". Maybe it's just me, but I think Police won't see all these too easy.
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August 05, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
#30
Prior saying that someone made a death threat, I'd like to ask the community if such an allegation can be considered a death threat: "I will piss on you and burn you".

Take into consideration that the above sentence was said by someone which already made other death threats inside the forum, being also banned 6 months for the previous death threats (he evaded his ban but that's another story).

So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".

I am unsure how to proceed.


I believe, it is considered a death threat and this is how I reported while it happened to me - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-it-allowed-to-threaten-someone-to-shoot-in-real-world-1708429. theymos did take a stern action.
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August 05, 2020, 09:22:28 AM
#29
So, given this context, what is your opinion? Is this a death threat? "I will piss on you and burn you".
No, I don't think this is a death threat. The context looks more like he would piss on you and humiliate/ruin you. As rizzarack mentioned, it's just a curse phrase.
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August 05, 2020, 08:23:24 AM
#28
Giving those words I think is too much urge of anger.
"I will piss on you and burn you".

For me, this is considered a death threat but in a verbal way, there are a lot of death threats we can consider like assault, damage on a property, with the use of letter and more.

In a verbal way, you are giving a word you may do and inappropriate just to hurt someone.
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August 05, 2020, 08:02:54 AM
#27
Although this isn't direct death threats, burning someone with fire would lead to death. We can assume here that he will use fire to burn. So if the person somehow knows your real location probably he would attempt to burn you and there is the possibility of death if really happen. This is a bodily harm threat but besides that, it would consider as a death threat as well by the exploration of the above fact. I believe he will be ban again either for a short or long time.
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August 05, 2020, 04:06:54 AM
#26

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.


Mods went soft. The forum lost so many users they can't even afford to ban "ban-evaders" anymore.
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August 05, 2020, 03:11:20 AM
#25
Is this a death threat?

This is a "light" threat and can be easily interpreted. I find this a very good explanation:

It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian.

The problem is that @andulolika has an older and clearer death threat "i would slit his throat for this if i could" and he kinda got away with it (it has "only" some negative trust for it). So while I would not take serious his "death threats", he should watch his tongue because sooner or later this way of talking will cause him trouble. (Of course, I mean anything that can be considered death threat, not the "usual" cursing).


So yeah, reporting is fine, the mods' "job" is to decide.
On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this.  Wink

if this is not the first time he made this kind of threat and whether the threat is actually legitimate or not I am surprised he isn't permabanned yet seeing that he hasn't changed a bit after getting temporarily banned before for the same reason.

On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this.  Wink
I think so too but let's put into consideration that different people have different response to a violent threat. GazetaBitcoin is probably one of those people that doesn't take death threats lightly.
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August 05, 2020, 03:03:32 AM
#24
This is absolutely a threat but not a death threat, once you say something bad on a person and it looks like it is a serious statement that is can possibly be a threat.

There are also threats who can be treated as a joke to someone so be careful on what attitude we are going to perform in the internet. It can really affect someone's mental health so we should be mindful about the things that we are going to say to someone. Threats can cause fear and anxiety.

But we can't settle with that single line only, maybe he is trying to protect himself for someone that's why he threatened that person with that.

We have really no idea on what is really happening on that scenario.
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August 05, 2020, 02:33:19 AM
#23
Is this a death threat?

This is a "light" threat and can be easily interpreted. I find this a very good explanation:

It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian.

The problem is that @andulolika has an older and clearer death threat "i would slit his throat for this if i could" and he kinda got away with it (it has "only" some negative trust for it). So while I would not take serious his "death threats", he should watch his tongue because sooner or later this way of talking will cause him trouble. (Of course, I mean anything that can be considered death threat, not the "usual" cursing).


So yeah, reporting is fine, the mods' "job" is to decide.
On the other hand, I also feel like OP makes a bit too much fuzz about this.  Wink
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August 05, 2020, 12:55:34 AM
#22
"I will piss on you and burn you".
Depends on how you get it.
For me it's just an insult (trashtalk or something)
Also for me, I can't consider it as a threat especially if you're working here anonymously just like the others. Users like this won't have a way to identify on whom they're going to burn alive though.

The first: the suspect urinating on you ....!
Of course, you will get wet if the suspect urinates near you.
The second: the suspect wants to burn you ...!
Of course, if he brings gasoline oil and fire.
What if the suspect has too much acid on his urine to burn him enough  Grin
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August 05, 2020, 12:55:00 AM
#21
"I will piss on you and burn you".
The first: the suspect urinating on you ....!
Of course, you will get wet if the suspect urinates near you.

The second: the suspect wants to burn you ...!
Of course, if he brings gasoline oil and fire.

Secondly, these words, do you know the threatening suspect, in the real world?
The answer;
If you know it's real, yes it's a "threat".

However, if you do not know the real suspect, it is legally flawed, 'like there is a threat in a dream', you dream in a dream that there is a threat, if you go to the judge, I'm sure you will be laughed at by the judge.

If the two words were raised on the internet / forum, why don't you reply with the words:
I will drown you before burning and peeing on me. Damn it!

OP, what is the name of the account that says the words of wisdom to you, you say the main account has been banned, so can you give the account name.
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August 05, 2020, 12:38:42 AM
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I don't know if this should be considered as a serious death threat, it seems more like shit talking because of dislike towards the other person. So don't take it too seriously, unless he goes on ahead and tells you "I am gonna kill you" or something that actually implies a serious death threat. This given very little context, feels more like a person being butthurt and saying : "why u posting in my thread, oh no guy with trust rating gonna give me neg trust, i am gonna swear goats at u fuck u fuck ur mom fuck dick u big gay".

And if you don't like interacting with this user, ignore and move on. Some trolls aren't worth the sweat.

Indeed. I guess it is better to leave such argument when you already know it leads to nothing. If the accused user was just pissed off with GazetaBitcoin, I think it's just natural to post his emotions, as we are born with different mental and emotional capabilities with different level of patience. But the argument and issue here is simple (as already answered by Rizzrack,

- He opened a thread where he offered translations (it was badly written and was very vague. Most might have understood he needed translation)
- You offered him your translation service which he took as thread hijacking (and legend has it that you are still translating his word to this day)
As for some reason he chooses to speak english English on a romanian Romanian board i'll I'll just say that I make the translation understandable, i I don't either have nor want all that stupid gramatical idiocracy idiocy (n.b. for this context, the correct term is idiocy, but the caveman doesn't know what idiocracy means) as there's someone else to bother with that. Ofcourse Of course, any translation would be written without grammatical mistakes and a corrector will be used on top."
- he got upset and started cursing very bad
- you then called him out for his broken Romanian
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...
- you then called him out for his broken English
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...

Hence, IMO, GazetaBitcoin was just a perfectionist writer, but took things too seriously when he had a feedback from his posts. Thus, even you had your fluency in both languages, that doesn't justify your patience and maturity. Doesn't mean that he said to burn you then you would accuse it as a death threat, not unless he knows where you are nor had any contact with you threatening you in a much fearful way.

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August 05, 2020, 12:19:02 AM
#19
Are we going to pretend no one here has been pissed on and burned by a women in leather?
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August 04, 2020, 10:33:24 PM
#18
@GazetaBitcoin, You are full of shit !  You hijacked others thread here, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/traductor-spaniola-romana-engleza-5266095. Anyone with a couple of brain cells more than you would notice, that you have an habbit of vomiting your wisdom in unexpected places. You are sure to get more such threats easily.

Anyways, this thread is pure trolling of the issues from your side. Did you saw any horror movie yesterday which made you so scared of andulolika ?

I am a Romanian native and a very good English speaker Smiley

LOL ! You would really be more funny and dump in real life.
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August 04, 2020, 05:13:03 PM
#17
It certainly is not polite, but not a death threat. Don't want to take sides but this is a seldom used curse phrase in Romanian. At least in my neck of the woods as I heard few people use it before (once or twice). Swearing in Romanian is hard to translate fully in other languages, as is the case of many other languages...

So...

- He opened a thread where he offered translations (it was badly written and was very vague. Most might have understood he needed translation)
- You offered him your translation service which he took as thread hijacking (and legend has it that you are still translating his word to this day)
As for some reason he chooses to speak english English on a romanian Romanian board i'll I'll just say that I make the translation understandable, i I don't either have nor want all that stupid gramatical idiocracy idiocy (n.b. for this context, the correct term is idiocy, but the caveman doesn't know what idiocracy means) as there's someone else to bother with that. Ofcourse Of course, any translation would be written without grammatical mistakes and a corrector will be used on top."
- he got upset and started cursing very bad
- you then called him out for his broken Romanian
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...
- you then called him out for his broken English
- some more swearing, some more translations, some more cursing...

Conclusion:

1. IMHO not a death threat...
2. WTF are you even arguing about ? There is no scam, just a guy with "less than perfect" writing skills advertising for translation services. Not the first, not the last.
3. Write in Romanian in the Romanian local board!!! If you need you can translate it later. Seems you are both translating stuff anyways so shouldn't be a problem.
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August 04, 2020, 04:39:10 PM
#16
I don't know if this should be considered as a serious death threat, it seems more like shit talking because of dislike towards the other person. So don't take it too seriously, unless he goes on ahead and tells you "I am gonna kill you" or something that actually implies a serious death threat. This given very little context, feels more like a person being butthurt and saying : "why u posting in my thread, oh no guy with trust rating gonna give me neg trust, i am gonna swear goats at u fuck u fuck ur mom fuck dick u big gay".

And if you don't like interacting with this user, ignore and move on. Some trolls aren't worth the sweat.
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August 04, 2020, 04:11:43 PM
#15
you hi-jack his thread offering translation, of course he will be offended that he sees offer a golden shower an option.

If you would have read the other link I provided, you have understood that I had no intention to hijack his scam attempt. I understood that he asks for translations. Anyway, here is what I wrote in the other post, which clearly explains that I did not have any intention to hijack him and you can also understand why his post is a scam:

For kind DT members willing to give some appropriate negative tags, be aware that andulolika striked again with a new scam attempt. He started a topic in the Romanian board, offering translation services. The problem is the following: andulolika is even more illiterate than hacker is, although it seems hard to believe. Actually, he is so illiterate, that from his topic anyone could understand that he needs translation services instead of offering them. As I did. So I told him that if he needs translations I can help him, showing him also my portfolio.

At this moment, the guy went full retard and started swearing very bad at me, with words which can be hardly translated, also full or spelling mistakes (if needed, I can try translate them, including also the spelling mistakes). He sweared about God, about my mother, about an owl (not owlcatz lol), about me sucking his sweat (!!!), about how bad his Romanian is and many other things. But that's the smallest problem.

The real problem is that andulolika is such an illiterate person, that he's unable to write his name correctly. Speaking (and writing) so bad in Romanian makes it clear that he's unable to perform a good translation, since he doesn't even know his very own language. His English is the same and I suppose that his Spanish is also the Spanish or an undergraduated, peanuts brain underclassman.

Actually, his English is so bad, that suchmoon once thought he is drunk:

Are you still drunk? Your post is barely comprehensible.

He wasn't drunk, but the man can't spell correctly "a-ha". Ok, now imagine that his Romanian is even worst (not joking). If you access the above mentioned topic, even without knowing Romanian, you'll see how illiterate he is, as I was inspired to correct all his mistakes. If I wouldn't know the real scam, I'd be tempted to believe he's joking. Like the guy doing odd jobs or the one answering any question for 99€.

However, andulolika is trying to scam people here, as he is unable to perform such a translation. Not talking about hus English / Spanish skills: the man doesn't even know Romanian. And I'm not talking about writing with diacritics (ă, â, î, ț  ş, Ş, Ț, Î), nor about underatandable typos. He is not even able to write simple words (similar to writing in English with "i" instead of "I" or "im" instead of "I'm"). As a matter of fact, he wrote in that topic that he is aware of his baboon Romanian skills and that he will collaborate with someone for correcting what he will write in Romanian, in case anyone would hire him. Practically, he says that someone will translate from Romanian to Romanian for him, as he barely knows his native language. And of course, that guy may be another illiterate, as there is a saying: the ones alike get together (this is a Romanian saying; in English I think it is "what goes around comes around").

As a consequence, anyone hiring him would pay not for a service, but for a chance to emabarass himself, as those reading the translations could be tempted to think the idiocies (by the way, he wrote "idiocracy" instead of "idiocy") written in the translation belong to the OP instead of the translator. And, excepting this, who would pay for such a translation would get scammed, as andulolika is unable to offer a translation as long as when he signs for his name he writes a "X". He was unable to write correctly even his topic title: he wrote "traductor" instead of "traducator", as he would have written "tranlator" instead of "translator".

Given all the above, I believe he needs additional negative feedbacks from DT members, as he is trying to lure naïve members and steal their money for services he can not offer. Of course (term which he writes as "ofcourse"), nobody should hire someone who didn't pay a loan in 3 years, as this is a good sign that the respective person may not respect the contract deadlines. Also, nobody should hire a ban evader, a member which makes death threats and, generally speaking, an imbecile. Is like hiring a blind man for a guide tour or someone without a driver license for being a taxi driver. But all these can be enforced also with appropriate feedbacks from DT members. Anyone hiring andulolika is at great risk of losing money as he can't offer translation services due to his low intellect and lack of knowledge of his native language and also of the mentioned foreign languages.

Please let me know what you think.
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August 04, 2020, 03:50:38 PM
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Thank you all for sharing your opinions. The whole story is the following: andulolika is trying another scam and I exposed it. He got very pissed off and started swearing (in Romanian) in all possible and impossible ways. After seeing that I really am confronting him he realized that his new trick won't fool anyone else due to my intervention he ended up with this threat, which can be found in his last post of this topic.

The topic is Romanian, but it's easy to figure out what's going on there, as I kept writing in English as well, thinking that at some point someone else can be interested in avoiding andulolika's new scam.

You actually didn't give the context (like whether it was posted in another language and meaning was lost in translation)

Yes, it was posted in another language, but it was not lost in translation as I am a Romanian native and a very good English speaker Smiley

Everybody feel free to explore both links I mentioned. In first one I explained in detail (in English) why andulolika is actually trying to scam people, while the second link is the one of his topic, where you will also understand >90% of the discussion.

you hi-jack his thread offering translation, of course he will be offended that he sees offer a golden shower an option.

this is just online words, don't take it seriously. unless you two both knew each other. even if you consider it a threat i don't think its something to worry unless you have posted your details including the address of your residence.

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August 04, 2020, 03:48:48 PM
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Lol no, that's not the case. Maybe he has STD, but that's not what he meant. I made the correct translation.

I reported him. Let's see what happens.

Besides, in my last two replies inside his topic you can see also his previous death threats.
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