Topic: Is this electrician Bonkers? Input Needed - page 2. (Read 1973 times)
Likely all those would have active PFC for probaboy 99% or better power factor. That's good.
Well, first you need to make sure you're using the correct units for everything. When you say "16000 to 18000 watts a month" do you mean 18000 watts of continuous draw for one month, or do you mean 18000 kilowatt-hours in a month's time? Kilowatt-hours is what your meter reflects and what you are billed on. Watts is power, which means instantaneous draw of volts and amps. Watt-hours are energy, which is the integrated total power during a length of time. 18000KWh in a 30-day month (720 hours) corresponds to a 25000W continuous draw, which would be 104A at 240V, or about 65% of your rated draw assuming an 80% safety margin on 200A.
Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
I don't skimp on power supplies everthing is either Ibm 2888 psus and platinum either xfx,EVGA,quark platinum supplies Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
Well, first you need to make sure you're using the correct units for everything. When you say "16000 to 18000 watts a month" do you mean 18000 watts of continuous draw for one month, or do you mean 18000 kilowatt-hours in a month's time? Kilowatt-hours is what your meter reflects and what you are billed on. Watts is power, which means instantaneous draw of volts and amps. Watt-hours are energy, which is the integrated total power during a length of time. 18000KWh in a 30-day month (720 hours) corresponds to a 25000W continuous draw, which would be 104A at 240V, or about 65% of your rated draw assuming an 80% safety margin on 200A.
Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
To the op I have more more thing to say the outside feeder cable is warm to the touch. Was the sun hitting that cable?
If you wake up at 5 am and go touch the cable and it is warm to the touch you are pulling too much power.
As sidehack mentioned 200a at 80 percent is 160 amp x 240 = about a 38400 watt draw that is 38 x 24 = 912 kwatts per day max
or 27360 kwatts a month..
BTW I would never try that on a 200 amp system you are mentioning 16,000 to 18,000 watts if you mean 18 kwatts x 24 x 30
you would be doing 12,960 of 27,360 you should not have hot or warm wires
Well, first you need to make sure you're using the correct units for everything. When you say "16000 to 18000 watts a month" do you mean 18000 watts of continuous draw for one month, or do you mean 18000 kilowatt-hours in a month's time? Kilowatt-hours is what your meter reflects and what you are billed on. Watts is power, which means instantaneous draw of volts and amps. Watt-hours are energy, which is the integrated total power during a length of time. 18000KWh in a 30-day month (720 hours) corresponds to a 25000W continuous draw, which would be 104A at 240V, or about 65% of your rated draw assuming an 80% safety margin on 200A.
Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
To the op I have more more thing to say the outside feeder cable is warm to the touch. Was the sun hitting that cable?
If you wake up at 5 am and go touch the cable and it is warm to the touch you are pulling too much power.
As sidehack mentioned 200a at 80 percent is 160 amp x 240 = about a 38400 watt draw that is 38 x 24 = 912 kwatts per day max
or 27360 kwatts a month..
BTW I would never try that on a 200 amp system you are mentioning 16,000 to 18,000 watts if you mean 18 kwatts x 24 x 30
you would be doing 12,960 of 27,360 you should not have hot or warm wires
So last year I upgraded from 125 amp service to 200 I had 5 30amp 240 v circuits added to the basement so I could expand my farm. Current power use is around 16000 to 18000 watts a month far below the 36000 watts possible on a 200amp single pole line.
So now I'm getting a bathroom upgraded to a 4k watt steam room and
This guy is telling me I'm at the limit of my service wtf I said yeah I'm pulling Lots of juice and the 5 30amp circuits are all warm to the touch so I said ok add a sub panel say 60 watts and we can add an additional 30 amp for the heater and a new 30amp to spread some of my current mining load right?
This guy goes outside and says man your main conduit is warm to the touch too bro we neen to get some of your hardware out of here you're pulling too much juice 200 amps is actual only supposed to be 60% continuous load hmm
It thought it was 80 % but ok I'm no where even near 60% which would be like what 32000 watts at 240
Then he goes on about how all this electrical equipment is messing up my sign wave wtf?!
Long story short he wants me to either shut down half my hardware or get a separate 200 amps to the garage and move some of my racks before he will do anything to add the load I need for the steam room what is this guy on
Or am I totally off base here?
So now I'm getting a bathroom upgraded to a 4k watt steam room and
This guy is telling me I'm at the limit of my service wtf I said yeah I'm pulling Lots of juice and the 5 30amp circuits are all warm to the touch so I said ok add a sub panel say 60 watts and we can add an additional 30 amp for the heater and a new 30amp to spread some of my current mining load right?
This guy goes outside and says man your main conduit is warm to the touch too bro we neen to get some of your hardware out of here you're pulling too much juice 200 amps is actual only supposed to be 60% continuous load hmm
It thought it was 80 % but ok I'm no where even near 60% which would be like what 32000 watts at 240
Then he goes on about how all this electrical equipment is messing up my sign wave wtf?!
Long story short he wants me to either shut down half my hardware or get a separate 200 amps to the garage and move some of my racks before he will do anything to add the load I need for the steam room what is this guy on
Or am I totally off base here?
your feeder cable is too small.
the guy that put in the 200 amp service most likely did not change out the feeder cable from the outdoor transformer to the 200 amp box.
my guess is this is the same electrician and he now realizes he is about to be caught that he did not install a bigger feeder cable from the power company trans former to the 200 amp box.
No we did change out the feeder cable to one rated for 200 amps the electrician that put it in was my cousin he knows what he's doing I'll post some pics later.
Regarding power use you're right its 18000 kWh i assumed 5x30 amp circuits max out at 28000 watts safe load witch is right were I'm at. He did say I was pulling around 140 amps continuous from the meter
Well, first you need to make sure you're using the correct units for everything. When you say "16000 to 18000 watts a month" do you mean 18000 watts of continuous draw for one month, or do you mean 18000 kilowatt-hours in a month's time? Kilowatt-hours is what your meter reflects and what you are billed on. Watts is power, which means instantaneous draw of volts and amps. Watt-hours are energy, which is the integrated total power during a length of time. 18000KWh in a 30-day month (720 hours) corresponds to a 25000W continuous draw, which would be 104A at 240V, or about 65% of your rated draw assuming an 80% safety margin on 200A.
Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
Adding 4KW to that would take you to about 76%.
When you upgraded to 200A service, did you get the wire from the transformer to your breaker panel replaced with something beefier and rated for 200A continuous draw? That could be part of the limitation. (which is what phil just mentioned while I was typing this up)
Messing up the sine wave is probably referring to power factor, which is a more complex topic where non-resistive loads and nonlinear loads cause the current and voltage waveforms to be out of sync, which causes extra transmission losses and noise the power company has to deal with. If you're using fairly cheap power supplies without good power factor correction (PFC) you're probably putting a lot of noise on the line.
I would say, based on your initial post, that it's probably best to take the electrician's advice until you learn a bit more about how power transmission and measurement works. There's a lot of things you said that don't quite make sense, which points to a lack of understanding.
So last year I upgraded from 125 amp service to 200 I had 5 30amp 240 v circuits added to the basement so I could expand my farm. Current power use is around 16000 to 18000 watts a month far below the 36000 watts possible on a 200amp single pole line.
So now I'm getting a bathroom upgraded to a 4k watt steam room and
This guy is telling me I'm at the limit of my service wtf I said yeah I'm pulling Lots of juice and the 5 30amp circuits are all warm to the touch so I said ok add a sub panel say 60 watts and we can add an additional 30 amp for the heater and a new 30amp to spread some of my current mining load right?
This guy goes outside and says man your main conduit is warm to the touch too bro we neen to get some of your hardware out of here you're pulling too much juice 200 amps is actual only supposed to be 60% continuous load hmm
It thought it was 80 % but ok I'm no where even near 60% which would be like what 32000 watts at 240
Then he goes on about how all this electrical equipment is messing up my sign wave wtf?!
Long story short he wants me to either shut down half my hardware or get a separate 200 amps to the garage and move some of my racks before he will do anything to add the load I need for the steam room what is this guy on
Or am I totally off base here?
So now I'm getting a bathroom upgraded to a 4k watt steam room and
This guy is telling me I'm at the limit of my service wtf I said yeah I'm pulling Lots of juice and the 5 30amp circuits are all warm to the touch so I said ok add a sub panel say 60 watts and we can add an additional 30 amp for the heater and a new 30amp to spread some of my current mining load right?
This guy goes outside and says man your main conduit is warm to the touch too bro we neen to get some of your hardware out of here you're pulling too much juice 200 amps is actual only supposed to be 60% continuous load hmm
It thought it was 80 % but ok I'm no where even near 60% which would be like what 32000 watts at 240
Then he goes on about how all this electrical equipment is messing up my sign wave wtf?!
Long story short he wants me to either shut down half my hardware or get a separate 200 amps to the garage and move some of my racks before he will do anything to add the load I need for the steam room what is this guy on
Or am I totally off base here?
your feeder cable is too small.
the guy that put in the 200 amp service most likely did not change out the feeder cable from the outdoor transformer to the 200 amp box.
my guess is this is the same electrician and he now realizes he is about to be caught that he did not install a bigger feeder cable from the power company trans former to the 200 amp box.
So last year I upgraded from 125 amp service to 200 I had 5 30amp 240 v circuits added to the basement so I could expand my farm. Current power use is around 16000 to 18000 watts a month far below the 36000 watts possible on a 200amp single pole line.
So now I'm getting a bathroom upgraded to a 4k watt steam room and
This guy is telling me I'm at the limit of my service wtf I said yeah I'm pulling Lots of juice and the 5 30amp circuits are all warm to the touch so I said ok add a sub panel say 60 watts and we can add an additional 30 amp for the heater and a new 30amp to spread some of my current mining load right?
This guy goes outside and says man your main conduit is warm to the touch too bro we neen to get some of your hardware out of here you're pulling too much juice 200 amps is actual only supposed to be 60% continuous load hmm
It thought it was 80 % but ok I'm no where even near 60% which would be like what 32000 watts at 240
Then he goes on about how all this electrical equipment is messing up my sign wave wtf?!
Long story short he wants me to either shut down half my hardware or get a separate 200 amps to the garage and move some of my racks before he will do anything to add the load I need for the steam room what is this guy on
Or am I totally off base here?
So now I'm getting a bathroom upgraded to a 4k watt steam room and
This guy is telling me I'm at the limit of my service wtf I said yeah I'm pulling Lots of juice and the 5 30amp circuits are all warm to the touch so I said ok add a sub panel say 60 watts and we can add an additional 30 amp for the heater and a new 30amp to spread some of my current mining load right?
This guy goes outside and says man your main conduit is warm to the touch too bro we neen to get some of your hardware out of here you're pulling too much juice 200 amps is actual only supposed to be 60% continuous load hmm
It thought it was 80 % but ok I'm no where even near 60% which would be like what 32000 watts at 240
Then he goes on about how all this electrical equipment is messing up my sign wave wtf?!
Long story short he wants me to either shut down half my hardware or get a separate 200 amps to the garage and move some of my racks before he will do anything to add the load I need for the steam room what is this guy on
Or am I totally off base here?
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