Is this forum not afraid about it's demise?

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Quote from: xtraelv on October 18, 2019, 05:24:22 AM

Quote from: El duderino_ on October 16, 2019, 03:39:27 PM

I think BTCT will be the better forum in the short-term, middle-term and for the long haul .....

There will always be competitors, just like BTC always have some sh*tcoins to deal with....

Ultimately this forum has what the other forums will never have. It has almost 10 years of history entwined through the forum. It is not something that you can replicate or replace. This is where it happened, when it happened.

thats not what matters to the organics,

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Quote from: El duderino_ on October 16, 2019, 03:39:27 PM

I think BTCT will be the better forum in the short-term, middle-term and for the long haul .....

There will always be competitors, just like BTC always have some sh*tcoins to deal with....

Ultimately this forum has what the other forums will never have. It has almost 10 years of history entwined through the forum. It is not something that you can replicate or replace. This is where it happened, when it happened.

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Traffic will always be up and down and will correlate with the price falling/spiking and excitement (or lack thereof) in the media, but I don't see why losing traffic would be an issue either. I'd rather there be less people here especially if those that left only care about bitcoin when there's something in it for them or they can earn via posting. I doubt theymos really cares either as he's seemingly not that interested in monetising the forum and that's all that traffic really matters for most. As long as there's enough money coming in to cover outgoings then it shouldn't be an issue, but with the amount of funds the forum has in reserves then that's probably not much of a concern either.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on October 15, 2019, 02:20:30 PM

Bitcointalk.org only gets nowadays 3.1 million viewers thats actually nothing compared with it once had per month (over 30 milion)

during the 2017 bubble? Roll Eyes

you can see the same sort of decline in google trends data for "bitcoin":

it's reflective of the overall post-bubble decline in interest in bitcoin. be patient---it took a long time for the market to get hyped again after the 2015 bottom. there's no reason the 2018 bottom would be any different.

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I think BTCT will be the better forum in the short-term, middle-term and for the long haul .....

There will always be competitors, just like BTC always have some sh*tcoins to deal with....

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I would rather have 3.1 million constant users of the forum rather than 27 million more people who just got interested of Bitcoin because of its hype. Because lets face it those 27 million viewers of Bitcointalk are just here because of the bull run in 2017 and most of them here posted topics about how they will earn and how they will be rich with Bitcoin and then after that when the crash begin they are mostly likely the ones who became nocoiners at the end since they have bought Bitcoin with no proper plan. That number is just noise and practically not here because they are interested with Bitcoin but rather more interested in earning from it.

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The statistic I'm interested in is how many times we've had this topic over the years. It feels like it comes up fairly often, but maybe I'm just showing my age. Apparently this place has always been dying, even though it clearly isn't.

We'll have to start a 'bitcointalk obituaries' to go along with the regular 'bitcoin obituaries'. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 16, 2019, 12:29:00 PM

Quote from: FIFA worldcup on October 16, 2019, 12:10:25 PM

It does not seems to slow down much. New members per day will decrease naturally but the main thing is that posts per day is stable. And how much cryptotalk is spending to keep their forum alive. Below is the rough estimate

Pay per Post = 1000 Sat

Daily Posts: 6387 * 1000 = 0.06387000 BTC approx 510$ paying daily

Total Posts: 84384 * 1000= 0.84384000 BTC approx 6,724$ has been spend so far in approx 15 days

It's only the money they spend for encouraging users to post in their forum. They are paying much more money to bitcointalk signature campaign participants .
Once they stop paying people for posting in their forum, the number of daily posts will significantly decrease.
Anyway, cryptotalk is a new website and they normally need advertisement. Their advertisement on bitcointalk can be effective as it makes many people know them. We don't know what will happen in future. They may be able to attract good users. But I don't know how they treat spammers in their forum. If they pay spammers, they harm their forum.

I do not take it this way and also they are not mad to waste their money to fund the spammers. Their goal is to make the forum popular and make it in a position where they can get the signature campaigns which will automatically keep the ~~spammers~~ posters busy.

Yeah they are many shitcoins in yobit and they can get good bounties advertisement too. When i last visited there were no ranks but now they have introduced ranks there too. They are eyeing something big which we may not realize now.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on October 16, 2019, 12:10:25 PM

It does not seems to slow down much. New members per day will decrease naturally but the main thing is that posts per day is stable. And how much cryptotalk is spending to keep their forum alive. Below is the rough estimate

Pay per Post = 1000 Sat

Daily Posts: 6387 * 1000 = 0.06387000 BTC approx 510$ paying daily

Total Posts: 84384 * 1000= 0.84384000 BTC approx 6,724$ has been spend so far in approx 15 days

It's only the money they spend for encouraging users to post in their forum. They are paying much more money to bitcointalk signature campaign participants .
Once they stop paying people for posting in their forum, the number of daily posts will significantly decrease.
Anyway, cryptotalk is a new website and they normally need advertisement. Their advertisement on bitcointalk can be effective as it makes many people know them. We don't know what will happen in future. They may be able to attract good users. But I don't know how they treat spammers in their forum. If they pay spammers, they harm their forum.

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Quote from: MFahad on October 16, 2019, 11:03:49 AM

Quote from: iamsheikhadil on October 16, 2019, 09:59:11 AM

No other forum has our legendary member Mr Satoshi except bitcointalk! So that itself makes this place original and other forums just like a sub branch no matter their page views or activity. But yeah, there should be more healthy competition Wink

Keep in mind in cryto currencies, the first one is the the Bitcoin and the rest are all the altcoins.

thats what you want everyone to believe.

thats what the bitcoin whales want everyone to believe.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on October 16, 2019, 11:50:21 AM

Going over data Archived data (http://archive.fo/https://cryptotalk.org/), Cryptotalk seems to be slowing down a bit:

New members per day was 165 on average between 10/10/2019 and today, whilst being of 385 on the prior six day window. Posts per day is stable, but that is due likely to the added new members that manage to keep the numbers at the same rate (Bitcointalk is currently on 22K new accounts per month, although bots to hit Bitcointalk probably a fair share more).

The above is not too meaningful really, as there are only a too few data points to conclude anything yet, but it does seem point to it not being easy to keep a steady flow of people enrolling on a new forum, even if paid to do so.

It does not seems to slow down much. New members per day will decrease naturally but the main thing is that posts per day is stable. And how much cryptotalk is spending to keep their forum alive. Below is the rough estimate

Pay per Post = 1000 Sat

Daily Posts: 6387 * 1000 = 0.06387000 BTC approx 510$ paying daily

Total Posts: 84384 * 1000= 0.84384000 BTC approx 6,724$ has been spend so far in approx 15 days

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Going over data Archived data (http://archive.fo/https://cryptotalk.org/), Cryptotalk seems to be slowing down a bit:

New members per day was 165 on average between 10/10/2019 and today, whilst being of 385 on the prior six day window. Posts per day is stable, but that is due likely to the added new members that manage to keep the numbers at the same rate (Bitcointalk is currently on 22K new accounts per month, although bots to hit Bitcointalk probably a fair share more).

The above is not too meaningful really, as there are only a too few data points to conclude anything yet, but it does seem point to it not being easy to keep a steady flow of people enrolling on a new forum, even if paid to do so.

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Quote from: iamsheikhadil on October 16, 2019, 09:59:11 AM

No other forum has our legendary member Mr Satoshi except bitcointalk! So that itself makes this place original and other forums just like a sub branch no matter their page views or activity. But yeah, there should be more healthy competition Wink

Keep in mind in cryto currencies, the first one is the the Bitcoin and the rest are all the altcoins.
Similarly, In crypto forums, No forum can compete or come close to give any competition to bitcointalk. You can combine all the other crypto forums and you will find this forum traffic and interest is far beyond the combination of all others.

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No other forum has our legendary member Mr Satoshi except bitcointalk! So that itself makes this place original and other forums just like a sub branch no matter their page views or activity. But yeah, there should be more healthy competition Wink

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Quote from: mindrust on October 16, 2019, 07:33:52 AM

It is also ironic, people who say cryptotalk.org won't become a big forum are the same guys who post in this forum only for those free sats. Grin

With the funding they're willing to put into advertising, and a long term campaign running on this forum will likely mean they will be a big forum, but a competitor? Depends on how you view it. If you're talking in terms of traffic then they might be a competitor, but quite frankly Bitcointalk.org is my home, and I imagine a lot of other users consider this their home away from home. Its not just a forum anymore, and is something which brings out real passion from its users.

If you compare the history, and passion from its users then Bitcointalk.org will always be the top dog in my eyes, and I'm not going to be using any other. Hell, I don't even use Reddit.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 16, 2019, 06:32:46 AM

This might be the effect of Yobit signature campaign.

The traffic of bitcointalk was declining until a week ago. Is this due to Yobit signature campaign?

Correlation is not causation. Volume has been chugging along and any small spikes are most likely just a higher granularity in the graph. If you look at the entries other than those few days then you see that they've just made large overarching lines.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on October 16, 2019, 08:27:05 AM

I completely understand you. A website rank does depend on traffic of other websites too.
But, when a website rank increases 500 in a day, can't we say that " The website traffic has been increased." ?
I think it's unlikely that traffic of 500 websites decreases at the same time.

It's not completely accurate, since traffic could remain stagnant or even fall, yet rank could still increase. All you can sufficiently say is that their rank increases when their rank increases: a tautology.

No matter how you want to redefine it, it will eventually crawl back to being

rank increase |=| rank increase

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Thank you DdmrDdmr for the reply.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on October 16, 2019, 07:17:46 AM

The Alexa chart is showing data delimited to the USA (not worldwide, unless someone has credentials to access and unlock information at other geographical levels).

Look at top of the chart. It says " In global internet traffic and engagement... "
So, Doesn't this mean that the visitors from all over the world have been considered?
Also, Alexa shows the visitors by country: (USA: 13.5%, India: 13%, Brazil: 8.9%). So, I guess all the countries are considered not only USA.

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on October 16, 2019, 07:17:46 AM

As per the above definition, your rank can decrease:
a) Because a given site receives less visits and/or page view.
b) Because other sites receive more visits and/or page views.

I completely understand you. A website rank does depend on traffic of other websites too.
But, when a website rank increases 500 in a day, can't we say that " The website traffic has been increased." ?
I think it's unlikely that traffic of 500 websites decreases at the same time.

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Quote from: mindrust on October 16, 2019, 07:33:52 AM

It is also ironic, people who say cryptotalk.org won't become a big forum are the same guys who post in this forum only for those free sats. Grin

Money can buy anything, including people Wink

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Quote from: Lucius on October 16, 2019, 06:07:20 AM

The vast majority view this forum as a source of income, they do not spend time here because they are interested in the future of cryptocurrency or to spend time with other users. This new signature campaign has certainly improved the forum stats, so we don't have to worry about the future of the forum, YoBit will save us Wink

It is also ironic, people who say cryptotalk.org won't become a big forum are the same guys who post in this forum only for those free sats. Grin

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