Topic: Is this forum not afraid about it's demise? - page 2. (Read 937 times)

Alexa, as most of the traffic measuring sites, needs to be interpreted with caution. The information they show can be a symptom of something, but they do not resolve the cause which is normally multidimensional, and not down to a single factor.

The Alexa chart is showing data delimited to the USA (not worldwide, unless someone has credentials to access and unlock information at other geographical levels).
Each datapoint on the chart is calculated as follows (see https://blog.alexa.com/improving-your-alexa-rank):

As per the above definition, your rank can decrease:
a)   Because a given site receives less visits and/or page view.
b)   Because other sites receive more visits and/or page views.
The rank is really expressed in terms of “global internet engagement”. That is, it is not contextualized to related or comparable internet sites, but rather to all internet sites.

Now one would no doubt prefer to see the graphic the other way round (an upward trend, and not a downward one), but the issue with the chart is that we cannot discern how much is due to “a”, and how much to “b”. If a bunch of other non-related sites have upped their visits and/or page views, that can cause quite a shift in the ranking.

Having said all that, I rather much like some of the information that @Coin-1 sums up on this thread: [Chart] Bitcointalk statistics on impression counts for ads. Specifically, the Unique IP and Unique logged-in charts, which place us back in 2017 metrics, but that represent endogenous data which is not influenced in the reading by the environment (such as happens on the Alexa chart).

I follow the post count (see https://public.tableau.com/shared/5G8SFTFN7?:display_count=yes&:origin=viz_share_link), but prefer the above information gathered by @Coin-1 if I had to choose the best first level objective metric.

This might be the effect of Yobit signature campaign.


Source: https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcointalk.org

The traffic of bitcointalk was declining until a week ago. Is this due to Yobit signature campaign?

I think it is about this thread : Bitcointalk.org did it into the big cryptomedia today

It is strange for someone who has extremely negative views toward Bitcoin, at the same time shows concern for this forum. It is actually very simple to conclude why there is currently less traffic and less active users - the price of BTC is not so high, many members get permabanned and bounty hunting is not profitable as before.

The vast majority view this forum as a source of income, they do not spend time here because they are interested in the future of cryptocurrency or to spend time with other users. This new signature campaign has certainly improved the forum stats, so we don't have to worry about the future of the forum, YoBit will save us

New and old projects scramble to advertise themselves on the bitcointalk forum, who's not aware that this is one place you can reach a large amount of people and create some traffic for yourself, if the forum gets all this attention, how then can it go advertising itself elsewhere.

Advertisements are for traffic, to attract people to get involved,if the forum is really in need of such traffic as to advertise on other platforms, it then wouldn't ban users, nuke them, ban spam campaigns or even ever suggest a signature ban.

Well said, just to add some more important observation. If you observe, the forum has never engaged in any sort of advertisement to expose the forum to the general public yet it gets this number of audiences (that on it's on, is an achievement not many sites can burst off). A major contribution to the decline in forum visitors is just as a result of the current market conditions of cryptocurrencies in general.

Once the market returns to a favourable status (bull market), the media, new projects etc will get back to the usual of trying to cash in on the hype associated with the industry as a result bring about new and more audience to the forum since the forum indirectly profit from the success of the industry. More enthusiast, Investors, speculators etc = more forum audience (one way or the other).

PS: don't forget, the forum is a platform to connect bitcoin (cryptocurrency) enthusiast and not a hunting ground for audience for her selfish, financial needs.

I agree. It is a crypto based cycle. Just look at the comparison between binance.com and bitcointalk.org






Source: https://www.similarweb.com

You don't need to worry about it, even though we're losing some users we still have someone like Vod, Suchmoon, LoyceV, and the others. these guys are the pillars of this forum. without them, these whole things might already end years ago. and also they don't have someone supercomputer brain like DdmrDdmr, they won't even come close to the rank of this forum.

Lets assume that those figures are correct, which they definitely aren't, but lets assume just for arguments sake. I don't know about you guys. but I would much rather a tight knitted community than a community run by the Bitcoin price, spamming the forum, and covered in alternate accounts trying to earn a quick buck now the Bitcoin price is up.

This forum in my opinion has been vital to providing new comers with information about Bitcoin, and has helped Bitcoin grow to where it is. Sure, there's rules on this forum to prevent it from being total chaos, but I think everyone can admit that freedom of speech is encouraged here, and the restrictions in place are always heavily considered before being implemented. Theymos has time, and time again decided to not implement something which limits users to an extent which he thinks effects users unfairly.

Look at the community projects which have been developed around this forum also. Vod, DmdrDmdr, and LoyceV have all developed things relating to the forum out of passion. That's the thing with this forum though users aren't here just because its the most popular Bitcoin forum, but because they're passionate about the forum, and the history of it.

 Promoting BTT on Ver's forum will only benefit Ver's forum. Bcash forum's alexa rank will be climbing up while BTT is going to gain nothing. The amount of users we will be attracting there is much less than what we'll be losing to them.

Think it like the osmosis. From high concentration to low concentration. People act like this too.

Cryptotalk is mainly relying on that mechanism. The difference is they pay people to induce it.

Edit: thinking now, altcoins also work the same way. Stealing people from btc just like btc stole people from FIAT&Gold.

Unless traffic drops below the "millions," I don't think we have anything to worry about. I agree with the previous posts though that the daily/monthly views are a function of the overall market conditions and sentiment. Looking forward to the coming months!

Why would this place be afraid? Even if traffic died down a bit, those people whom contribute to the community wouldn't be the ones leaving. Besides, bitcointalk still has its campaign/bounty forum. I doubt people would leave it since it's basically money for your services in posting. Those that left would probably people who got tired of shit posting and those that stayed were those whom were engaged in learning while doing their bounties.

It is for sure that SimilarWeb's Data is not 100% accurate, this type of third-party platforms are just used to get a rough estimate of traffic data and this data varies platforms to platforms.

As an example, see the image below. It is from SeoQuake and the results in both platforms are different.



One thing to notice that the bounce rate is high in both platforms which is I'm very much disagreed to.

Maybe connecting Google Analytics account with SimilarWeb can represent better data publicly? I believe Google is one of the best trackers out there.

I didn't take price into account.    I just guesstimated the ratio of page views per online user and applied it to today.

The highest that archive.org recorded bitcointalk showing was on 2017/11/24, 12647 online users: https://web.archive.org/web/20171124145213/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

It was close to the peak of BTC price and at the height of the altcoin craze, spam was also a bigger problem than now in the pre-merit system times.

The forum is never destroyed, the Forum does not expect anything certain, precisely the people who come here will be destroyed, if they cannot control themselves in looking for money, carelessness, forgery, fraud.
The proof is that here, every day is increasing and growing, New account want to enter.

People are never bored with money, for example in the Cryptotalk campaign.
How many people slam every day and it does not decrease people want to find money for credit installments, who sleep a long time too wake up in a dream for the sake of personal credit installments.

That's just one campaign that was developed like yobit in this forum, thousands of accounts appear, try to imagine if a campaign like yobit is developed in this forum 5 to 10 campaigns, maybe even the dead join create accounts for money to buy hell.

Take it easy it never happened.

That thin blue line, before the first spike, were the original users that didn't care about the price.

Those are the users that should get the anniversary coins.  


Bitcointalk would have about 14,000 viewers based on current Page View numbers and the past online visitors, which it no longer records.  :/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

bitcointalk had its highest amount of viewers at around 7000 in april 2013
cryptotalk had its highest amount of viewers at 1545 just 5 hours ago.

Number of Bitcointalk visitors is directly related with Bitcoin price. So, it's normal thing that there is much less visitors here than in 2017 for example.
And smaller number of forum users isn't always a bad thing. Remember what was going here back in 2017 - it was almost impossible to use forum due to incredible quanity of spam. Lot of things changed into positive side since then - merit system, wave of bans and etc - it helped to clean up forum. Bounties is pretty much dead thing now - it also attract less number of visitors to forum.

That drop in number of visitors is completely normal.
Look at the chart below
The chart shows how much "Bitcoin" has been searched on "Google" over the time. Number of searches has been decreased by 90%. There is a same trend for number of visits of Crypto-related websites.

Source: https://trends.google.com/

@KingScorpio

Such websites are well known from webmasters to be only wrong. It's like Alexa rank, for entertainment only. You also perfectly know it's somehow related to the cryptocurrency trend/interest. You can't expect to see the same as back in 2017.

Cryptotalk? You make me laugh. The only reason they get the few users there are it is because they get paid as someone said. And seeing the huge crap they post here already, I can't imagine how it goes there.