Is this not merit abuse really ? - page 2.

S_Therapist

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 19, 2018, 08:18:05 AM

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Quote from: ?? on ??

nice

Quote from: encycrypto on October 06, 2018, 05:17:43 PM

30 merit left? Cheesy

Those two are ridiculous. In his merit giveaway, he has merited users Full Member and above. I have seen some lower ranked users had also submitted posts. If QA was in hurry to award merit, s/he could find some users from that list too.

bones261

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 20, 2018, 09:13:10 AM

Quote from: bones261 on October 20, 2018, 09:01:14 AM

Well, it appears that your source merit either wasn't upped to 250 a month like me, or you are just letting it expire.

Last time I checked, I had 200 per month as a source. Lately, I've managed to empty it on many days, and even got to touch my stockpile of "my own" sMerits. Getting rid of all sMerit is difficult, especially since most of the time I only give 1 Merit.

I don't let much source merit expire. Let's compare the amount of Merit we've sent:
Mine:
Image loading...

Yours:

The graphs show this:

Quote from: LoyceV on June 09, 2018, 05:45:22 AM

Each column width is 5 days (10 pixels). "Days" start the second the first Merit was transfered, and count exactly 5*3600*24 seconds after that. It has nothing to do with calendar days in any time zone
The maximum is 100 Merit per column (2 pixels per Merit). If more than 100 Merit was transfered in a 5 day period, the top of the column gets darker.

Both graphs look quite similar.

I retract my statement against you. I just glanced at your merit history, originally, and obviously looked at it wrong. (Probably because I am being overly defensive.) I can now see that you are very busy.

Quote from: LoyceV on October 20, 2018, 09:13:10 AM

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Theymos gave me instructions to try and do my best to distribute all of it. I'm doing the best that I can; yet have already had complaints.

It seems different Merit sources have received different instructions depending on when they received them.
Can you share the link to your abuse-thread? I haven't noticed anything wrong with your meriting (but I also didn't look into it).

The thread wasn't originally directed at me. But I was reprimanded none the less. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-new-policy-is-not-working-5031029

Quote from: LoyceV on October 20, 2018, 09:13:10 AM

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I really despise this statistic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban Now I am on the list that appears to point out merit abuse suspects. I was originally very honored to become a merit source. But now I feel that my reputation is at stake with every single merit that I am obligated to distribute.

Not a nice list to be on Sad

Do you know who was banned? It's "just" 29 Merit in 180 days, it's very well possible a user received 5 Merit per month from you, and got banned for plagiarism later on.

The bulk of it went to anunymint. He was originally banned for multi-posting. It was turned into a permaban for ban evasion. Since his opinions are very unpopular, and he doesn't take any steps to hide who he is when he tries to return, his new alts eventually get banned. However, he has had stints were his new alt lasted for several months before given the boot. I gave him merit because one can definitely see his posts take a good deal of thought; although with all the links and conspiracy theories, many fall into the category of TLDR. Cheesy

LoyceV

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Quote from: bones261 on October 20, 2018, 09:01:14 AM

Well, it appears that your source merit either wasn't upped to 250 a month like me, or you are just letting it expire.

Last time I checked, I had 200 per month as a source. Lately, I've managed to empty it on many days, and even got to touch my stockpile of "my own" sMerits. Getting rid of all sMerit is difficult, especially since most of the time I only give 1 Merit.

I don't let much source merit expire. Let's compare the amount of Merit we've sent:
Mine:
Image loading...

Yours:

The graphs show this:

Quote from: LoyceV on June 09, 2018, 05:45:22 AM

Each column width is 5 days (10 pixels). "Days" start the second the first Merit was transfered, and count exactly 5*3600*24 seconds after that. It has nothing to do with calendar days in any time zone
The maximum is 100 Merit per column (2 pixels per Merit). If more than 100 Merit was transfered in a 5 day period, the top of the column gets darker.

Both graphs look quite similar.

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Theymos gave me instructions to try and do my best to distribute all of it. I'm doing the best that I can; yet have already had complaints.

It seems different Merit sources have received different instructions depending on when they received them.
Can you share the link to your abuse-thread? I haven't noticed anything wrong with your meriting (but I also didn't look into it).

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I really despise this statistic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban Now I am on the list that appears to point out merit abuse suspects. I was originally very honored to become a merit source. But now I feel that my reputation is at stake with every single merit that I am obligated to distribute.

Not a nice list to be on Sad

Do you know who was banned? It's "just" 29 Merit in 180 days, it's very well possible a user received 5 Merit per month from you, and got banned for plagiarism later on.

bones261

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Activity: 1806

Merit: 1828

Quote from: LoyceV on October 20, 2018, 08:38:19 AM

Quote from: bones261 on October 20, 2018, 08:27:29 AM

the most part it is thankless

I disagree: I get to help improve this forum! I get spammers banned, abusers tagged, and contributers merited. That's all the reward I need.

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As long as a merit source is not going to benefit monetarily from giving a merit, It isn't merit abuse. Leave us the fuck alone!

Who's "us" in the statement above? I'm a Merit source, I barely search for posts to merit, but do it anyway when I stumble upon anything worth meriting. I haven't seen anyone attack me on my choices of meriting users.

Well, it appears that your source merit either wasn't upped to 250 a month ago like me, or you are just letting it expire. Theymos gave me instructions to try and do my best to distribute all of it. I'm doing the best that I can; yet have already had complaints. I really despise this statistic. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendban Now I am on the list that appears to point out merit abuse suspects. I was originally very honored to become a merit source. But now I feel that my reputation is at stake with every single merit that I am obligated to distribute. I know that I only have black trust at the moment. However, I keep checking my trust rating to make sure some DT member doesn't decide to red tag me because they feel that I am being "abusive" or derelict in my duty.

LoyceV

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Quote from: bones261 on October 20, 2018, 08:27:29 AM

the most part it is thankless

I disagree: I get to help improve this forum! I get spammers banned, abusers tagged, and contributers merited. That's all the reward I need.

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As long as a merit source is not going to benefit monetarily from giving a merit, It isn't merit abuse. Leave us the fuck alone!

Who's "us" in the statement above? I'm a Merit source, I barely search for posts to merit, but do it anyway when I stumble upon anything worth meriting. I haven't seen anyone attack me on my choices of meriting users.

bones261

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Activity: 1806

Merit: 1828

Quote from: LoyceV on October 20, 2018, 01:29:08 AM

Quote from: bones261 on October 20, 2018, 12:57:15 AM

I really don't see the harm done here.

Merit is supposed to stop shitposters from ranking up. "Airdropping" 30% of Full Member onto spamming Newbies just because they posted at the right moment goes against this:

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 06:00:11 PM

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

The 30 Merit on higher ranks makes less of a difference than it does for lower ranks.

Well, the last instructions that I was given by theymos was as follows:

Quote from: theymos on September 17, 2018, 04:06:21 AM

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I recommend:
- If a newbie posts something that could be even called good, then give them 1 merit. It doesn't need to be a great post.
- It's best to use all of your source merit. If you don't naturally do so, try giving people more merit per post on average. If you don't send your source merit, then nobody gets it, but if you do send it, then the recipient can pass half of it on.

Thanks!

All a shit posting newbie really needs is 1 merit to be back in business. And what pisses me off is that I thought that I was following instructions; yet that very day, someone started a thread in meta complaining about my taste and implying that I was engaged in some kind of "merit abuse." I am really tempted to start adopting QAs approach since it sure beats sifting through thousands of shitposts to try and find a few posts here and there to dole out 2 merits to. This is a great deal of work and for the most part it is thankless. The only gratitude that seems to have come my way is from those shit posting newbies that I happened to merit. I'm not certain about QAs case, but I didn't even raise my hand and ask to be a merit source. I was drafted. And now I know there is a whole troop of people monitoring my every merit transaction just waiting to breath down my neck.
As long as a merit source is not going to benefit monetarily from giving a merit, It isn't merit abuse. Leave us the fuck alone!

The Cryptovator

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 20, 2018, 01:29:08 AM

The 30 Merit on higher ranks makes less of a difference than it does for lower ranks.

I have replied on his giveaway thread. I post about his merit distributions, he is doing well But his way is wrong. So for explaination I gave few example. But unfortunately some one thinking I replied for get merit (Lol). However it's not looking good to me his merits distributions. I replied there why I am not agree with him. I know he don't care about red tag or whatever. But he have no right to distribute merit on wrong hands, since he is a merit source. I don't care about his own smerits.

However I don't want to bother myself on this case since he is experienced person and I am new.

LoyceV

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Quote from: bones261 on October 20, 2018, 12:57:15 AM

I really don't see the harm done here.

Merit is supposed to stop shitposters from ranking up. "Airdropping" 30% of Full Member onto spamming Newbies just because they posted at the right moment goes against this:

Quote from: theymos on January 24, 2018, 06:00:11 PM

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

The 30 Merit on higher ranks makes less of a difference than it does for lower ranks.

bones261

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Merit: 1828

Quote from: pugman on October 19, 2018, 06:34:57 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on October 19, 2018, 08:18:05 AM

Not only does this go against everything Merit stands for, it's also totally off-topic, and worst of all: it's a Merit source (#2 most Merit sent) doing this.

Idk about Raja_MBZ, Last of the V8s, xhomerx10 but the other 2 guys don't really deserve 30 merits. The ulrich_zh guy posted "nice" thrice just to get more merits. While its a good thing that QA doesn't spend insane amount of time thinking whether or not he should give 1 merit to a user unlike other , QA shouldn't just shove his merits to hoe's out there. I mean, we get it, you are rich, stop showin' off. We don't want a bitcointalk version of Trump(we already have theymos and cyrus), otherwise before you know it, Stormy Daniels would come here accusing you of ~~sexual~~ merit abuse.

I really don't see the harm done here. It's not like QA was handing out merits to his alt accounts, so he can sell them for more on the open market. Also, @LoyceV the Wall Observer thread has been off-topic for quite sometime. In fact, it is no longer moderated by the staff. It is currently moderated by infofront. But he only deletes some troll posts from time to time.

pugman

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 19, 2018, 08:18:05 AM

Not only does this go against everything Merit stands for, it's also totally off-topic, and worst of all: it's a Merit source (#2 most Merit sent) doing this.

Idk about Raja_MBZ, Last of the V8s, xhomerx10 but the other 2 guys don't really deserve 30 merits. The ulrich_zh guy posted "nice" thrice just to get more merits. While its a good thing that QA doesn't spend insane amount of time thinking whether or not he should give 1 merit to a user unlike other , QA shouldn't just shove his merits to hoe's out there. I mean, we get it, you are rich, stop showin' off. We don't want a bitcointalk version of Trump(we already have theymos and cyrus), otherwise before you know it, Stormy Daniels would come here accusing you of ~~sexual~~ merit abuse.

Patatas

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Quote from: Mirae on October 19, 2018, 08:46:11 AM

lmao "form of Merit begging"
what a joke this is, wanna give me red tag, sure go for it

You are entitled to a negative feedback retard. Don't act like you're doing something that isn't against the rules. Grow a pair and make an attempt to earn merits instead of begging.

Quote from: Findingnemo on October 19, 2018, 12:53:41 PM

And also you can visit Merit System Upgrade which was created by QuestionAuthortiy as merit giveaway thread then he later turned into an merit source but still he is following there for quality posts to be merited.

But is he abusing merits? I don't know why these merit beggers aren't tagged yet.

Findingnemo

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on October 19, 2018, 12:34:52 PM

Can some one confirm QuestionAuthority merit source or not ? Its seems lot of merit abuse on his profile (IMO). I am really disappointed that 30 merit only for "nice" comment.

Yes,he is a merit source.You can verify that in Most generous merit senders, all time where the user QuestionAuthority is in the second place.

And also you can visit Merit System Upgrade which was created by QuestionAuthortiy as merit giveaway thread then he later turned into an merit source but still he is following there for quality posts to be merited.

The Cryptovator

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Can some one confirm QuestionAuthority merit source or not ? Its seems high merit transaction ~~abuse~~ on his profile (IMO). I am really disappointed that 30 merit only for "nice" comment.
Just noticed now, he have made a thread about merit giveaway.

Quote from: Barcode_ on October 18, 2018, 03:08:05 PM

I saw this conversation on Dice-Bet chat room today, the admin of the site who is mike have sent user Miraeos a total of 5 merits after Miraeos said that he would need 4 more merits in order to rank up his account to member rank on bitcointalk, check screenshot below for proof.

Even there is strong proof they, should not get tag ? Its seems they are plying with merit. Although evidence provided by staff but I think enough to tag them.

Findingnemo

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 19, 2018, 08:18:05 AM

Not only does this go against everything Merit stands for, it's also totally off-topic, and worst of all: it's a Merit source (#2 most Merit sent) doing this.

Merit abuse by the merit source. Lips sealed

I don't think this is right thing to do by one of the most merit source burn all those off topic merits and merited comments. Angry

Mirae

member

Activity: 416

Merit: 27

Quote from: markdario112616 on October 19, 2018, 05:46:36 AM

Quote from: Mirae on October 18, 2018, 11:31:32 PM

ooh god no merit abuse Cry

Quote from: Barcode_ on October 18, 2018, 03:08:05 PM

..the admin of the site who is mike have sent user Miraeos a total of 5 merits after Miraeos said that he would need 4 more merits in order to rank up his account to member rank on bitcointalk, check screenshot below for proof.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mirae-2385931 - Mirae ( Miraeos on Dice-Bet )
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dice-bet-950218 - Dice-Bet ( Mike on Dice-Bet )

So basically Mike just sent 5 merits straightaway to this user Mirae on this post after Mirae pointed out to Mike that he needs 4 more merits to promote to member rank.

Based from the post above. What you did is a form of Merit begging which in relate to Merit abuse as well (as per my own understanding).

Quote from: jacee on October 15, 2018, 06:44:45 AM

There's possibly more btc involved besides that 6000 satoshi or maybe the merit sender is just very fond of dice-bet. I've seen people who gives merit to people they like even when the post even deserve that much merit. He even wears the dice-bet signature. That's too much merit sent tho.

Merit is not regulated per se. Well, let's wait if these users will try to explain their selves out.
As for me, this a red tag worthy.

lmao "form of Merit begging"
what a joke this is, wanna give me red tag, sure go for it

LoyceV

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I stumbled upon this today:

Quote from: Wouter Mense on October 19, 2018, 03:51:09 AM

Cheats

The link leads to this post

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on October 06, 2018, 05:08:03 PM

Oh, I am going to do one thing before I sign off for now. Since most people are off work/school today because it’s the weekend, and there should be more people on line than during the week and I have too much merit laying around, the next 5 people to respond to this thread get 30 merit.

Which leads to these posts receiving 30 Merit each:

Quote from: Last of the V8s on October 06, 2018, 05:09:40 PM

could really handle some merit!

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on October 06, 2018, 05:10:33 PM

I'm here!

Quote from: xhomerx10 on October 06, 2018, 05:10:47 PM

Oh yeah I'm a merit slut Wink

edit: oops

Quote from: ?? on ??

nice

Quote from: encycrypto on October 06, 2018, 05:17:43 PM

30 merit left? Cheesy

Not only does this go against everything Merit stands for, it's also totally off-topic, and worst of all: it's a Merit source (#2 most Merit sent) doing this.

Update: it looks like QuestionAuthority was removed as Merit source.

markdario112616

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Quote from: Mirae on October 18, 2018, 11:31:32 PM

ooh god no merit abuse Cry

Quote from: Barcode_ on October 18, 2018, 03:08:05 PM

..the admin of the site who is mike have sent user Miraeos a total of 5 merits after Miraeos said that he would need 4 more merits in order to rank up his account to member rank on bitcointalk, check screenshot below for proof.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mirae-2385931 - Mirae ( Miraeos on Dice-Bet )
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dice-bet-950218 - Dice-Bet ( Mike on Dice-Bet )

So basically Mike just sent 5 merits straightaway to this user Mirae on this post after Mirae pointed out to Mike that he needs 4 more merits to promote to member rank.

Based from the post above. What you did is a form of Merit begging which in relate to Merit abuse as well (as per my own understanding).

Quote from: jacee on October 15, 2018, 06:44:45 AM

There's possibly more btc involved besides that 6000 satoshi or maybe the merit sender is just very fond of dice-bet. I've seen people who gives merit to people they like even when the post even deserve that much merit. He even wears the dice-bet signature. That's too much merit sent tho.

Merit is not regulated per se. Well, let's wait if these users will try to explain their selves out.
As for me, this a red tag worthy.

Mirae

member

Activity: 416

Merit: 27

ooh god no merit abuse Cry

jesus grow up

HiDevin

member

Activity: 226

Merit: 30

so.. hru?

Quote from: Patatas on October 18, 2018, 04:20:46 PM

Quote from: Barcode_ on October 18, 2018, 03:08:05 PM

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Blatant merit abuse! Pretty sure it's a big cycle of accounts are involved here. People send a high number of merits to Dice-Bet account which are further distributed to rank up members as per the screenshot. Who knows if they have actually bought those merits in bulk. Definitely worth a tag.

Quote from: coingamblingreviews on September 18, 2018, 01:04:28 PM

Quote from: HiDevin on September 18, 2018, 01:00:14 PM

Quote from: coingamblingreviews on September 18, 2018, 12:54:02 PM

I like the investor leverage option - might try it out! Getting way too diluted at 1x leverage as a bankroll investor these days.

Just asking, are you guys affiliated with Dice-bet considering you gave him 10 merits on his post Tongue

Also I just asked and the minimum amount to invest in the same as the minimum amount to bet ( 0.000001 BTC ), ( 0.00001 for LTC ), and ( 0.00002 for ETH )

We are being paid to promote DiceBet on https://bitcoingamblingreviews.com/ through banners not the investment though Wink

That was 10 merit post, when they Dice-bet was first starting out but the merit Dice-bet recieved is from sponsors ( so bought? but they are affliated though, so its basically like a ICO thread getting 50 merits from a alt, that wouldn't be abuse. )

But otherwise the merited post to Mirae is merit abuse. I don't think Mike (Dice-bet) knows if this is alright on bitcointalk, probably his first time on here considering he doesn't really know how to put signature in a code box one time I asked him about that.

Patatas

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Quote from: Barcode_ on October 18, 2018, 03:08:05 PM

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Blatant merit abuse! Pretty sure it's a big cycle of accounts are involved here. People send a high number of merits to Dice-Bet account which are further distributed to rank up members as per the screenshot. Who knows if they have actually bought those merits in bulk. Definitely worth a tag.

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